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So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
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So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
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Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Mar 30, 2:57 pm, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
He certainly proved he isn't invincible. I think he may have been
done wrong by Nakano, but Stoner wasn't within Nakano's visual range
to be fair.
-Dirt-
On Mar 30, 2:57 pm, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
He certainly proved he isn't invincible. I think he may have been
done wrong by Nakano, but Stoner wasn't within Nakano's visual range
to be fair.
-Dirt-
Re: Jerez Spoiler
Dirt wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
> He certainly proved he isn't invincible. I think he may have been
> done wrong by Nakano, but Stoner wasn't within Nakano's visual range
> to be fair.
Not so sure about that. He'd come up next to Nakano on the inside, but
then it seemed he might have thought he wasn't going to be able to get
it stopped in time. So when he hit the brakes he didn't seem to bend in
at all, and Nakano continued into the corner, trying to get Vermeulen
(and it appears he could), which put him right in front of Stoner. Had
Stoner continued his inside move he might have stopped Nakano from
making his move, and had he backed off sooner or harder, he wouldn't
have gone into the rear end of Nakano (which in turn caused him to go a
bit wide). It may be that he choked a bit, thinking about how easy it's
been to lose that front. I just get the impression he wasn't committed
to that pass when it counted.
Dirt wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
> He certainly proved he isn't invincible. I think he may have been
> done wrong by Nakano, but Stoner wasn't within Nakano's visual range
> to be fair.
Not so sure about that. He'd come up next to Nakano on the inside, but
then it seemed he might have thought he wasn't going to be able to get
it stopped in time. So when he hit the brakes he didn't seem to bend in
at all, and Nakano continued into the corner, trying to get Vermeulen
(and it appears he could), which put him right in front of Stoner. Had
Stoner continued his inside move he might have stopped Nakano from
making his move, and had he backed off sooner or harder, he wouldn't
have gone into the rear end of Nakano (which in turn caused him to go a
bit wide). It may be that he choked a bit, thinking about how easy it's
been to lose that front. I just get the impression he wasn't committed
to that pass when it counted.
Re: Jerez Spoiler
Julian Bond wrote:
> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
Not really, he made a great start was 3rd for a while then slipped
back to 5th, then he outbraked himself and ran into the gravel but
made a good come back but tried to get past Nakano and Dovisioso a bit
too hastily and ran off track again, not a great points result but the
situation is not that different from this time last year.
Paul
Julian Bond wrote:
> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
Not really, he made a great start was 3rd for a while then slipped
back to 5th, then he outbraked himself and ran into the gravel but
made a good come back but tried to get past Nakano and Dovisioso a bit
too hastily and ran off track again, not a great points result but the
situation is not that different from this time last year.
Paul
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:57:56 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being
beaten.
--
Champ
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:57:56 GMT, Julian Bond
<julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being
beaten.
--
Champ
Re: Jerez Spoiler
Champ wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>
>> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
> Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
> sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being
> beaten.
Jeez, you fookin' pommies are brutal...
Champ wrote:
> Julian Bond wrote:
>
>> So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
>
> Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
> sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being
> beaten.
Jeez, you fookin' pommies are brutal...
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:55:47 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk>
wrote in <8fhvu397ullel499p1s54gpshhm43bkjgc@4ax . com >:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:57:56 GMT, Julian Bond
><julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>>So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
> Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
> sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being beaten.
I've yet to see any pics; listened to the Eurosport commentary as
usual and watched the motogp lap charts (which were not updating as quickly
as in the past). Tobes and Jules made the point that this track seems to
be the Ducati/B'stone nadir of the year, and all but said that it would just
be a damage limitation exercise. I must admit to being frustrated when he
finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
lef him in the kitty-litter again. I don't think he'll be discouraged
this early in the season. Two more similar results, though...
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KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:55:47 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk>
wrote in <8fhvu397ullel499p1s54gpshhm43bkjgc@4ax . com >:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:57:56 GMT, Julian Bond
><julian_bond@voidstar . com > wrote:
>>So, did Stoner come apart like a cheap watch?
> Every time a camera was pointed at him in the garage, he looked like a
> sulky kid. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with being beaten.
I've yet to see any pics; listened to the Eurosport commentary as
usual and watched the motogp lap charts (which were not updating as quickly
as in the past). Tobes and Jules made the point that this track seems to
be the Ducati/B'stone nadir of the year, and all but said that it would just
be a damage limitation exercise. I must admit to being frustrated when he
finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
lef him in the kitty-litter again. I don't think he'll be discouraged
this early in the season. Two more similar results, though...
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Re: Jerez Spoiler
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
> Tobes and Jules made the point that this track seems to
> be the Ducati/B'stone nadir of the year, and all but said that it would just
> be a damage limitation exercise.
Not buying it, it's a bad track for Stoner, apparently, but Rossi
finished a fairly close second and ahead of Lorenzo, Elias finished 4th
last year, only 4.5 seconds back, and Capirossi won easily on
Bridgestones in 2006. I really doubt that this will be as bad as it gets
this year for Bridgestone.
I must admit to being frustrated when he
> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
> lef him in the kitty-litter again. I don't think he'll be discouraged
> this early in the season. Two more similar results, though...
Seems likely a combination of his usual struggles here and the
difficulty with the tires, or getting them to work with the bike. Then
you go farming twice in the race - I think anyone would be frustrated
with that and ready to move on...
Dr Ivan D. Reid wrote:
> Tobes and Jules made the point that this track seems to
> be the Ducati/B'stone nadir of the year, and all but said that it would just
> be a damage limitation exercise.
Not buying it, it's a bad track for Stoner, apparently, but Rossi
finished a fairly close second and ahead of Lorenzo, Elias finished 4th
last year, only 4.5 seconds back, and Capirossi won easily on
Bridgestones in 2006. I really doubt that this will be as bad as it gets
this year for Bridgestone.
I must admit to being frustrated when he
> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
> lef him in the kitty-litter again. I don't think he'll be discouraged
> this early in the season. Two more similar results, though...
Seems likely a combination of his usual struggles here and the
difficulty with the tires, or getting them to work with the bike. Then
you go farming twice in the race - I think anyone would be frustrated
with that and ready to move on...
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>I must admit to being frustrated when he
>finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>lef him in the kitty-litter again.
He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
his first off track excursion.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>I must admit to being frustrated when he
>finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>lef him in the kitty-litter again.
He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
his first off track excursion.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>
> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
> his first off track excursion.
Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>
> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
> his first off track excursion.
Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:08:27 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
wrote in <47f0fe6b$0$16670$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
> On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
>> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
>> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
>> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
>> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
>> his first off track excursion.
> Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
> question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
> selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
> Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:08:27 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
wrote in <47f0fe6b$0$16670$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
> On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
>> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
>> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
>> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
>> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
>> his first off track excursion.
> Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
> question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
> selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
> Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Re: Jerez Spoiler
"Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
> > Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
> > question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
> > selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
> > Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
>
> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any =
special
> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use the=
m."
What seems more likely is that Bridgestone might naturally focus
development on their two championship contenders over time, and I
believe both Rossi and Stoner like a stiffer construction than most
folks. So that could end up hurting guys like Hopkins, Melandri and
Vermeulen.
"Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
> > Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
> > question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
> > selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
> > Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
>
> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any =
special
> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use the=
m."
What seems more likely is that Bridgestone might naturally focus
development on their two championship contenders over time, and I
believe both Rossi and Stoner like a stiffer construction than most
folks. So that could end up hurting guys like Hopkins, Melandri and
Vermeulen.
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On 2008-03-31 13:31:10 -0400, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> said:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:08:27 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
> wrote in <47f0fe6b$0$16670$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
>> On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
>
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
>>> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>>>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>>>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>
>>> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
>>> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
>>> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
>>> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
>>> his first off track excursion.
>
>> Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
>> question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
>> selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
>> Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
>
> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
On 2008-03-31 13:31:10 -0400, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> said:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:08:27 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
> wrote in <47f0fe6b$0$16670$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
>> On 2008-03-31 03:40:13 -0400, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> said:
>
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
>>> <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> I must admit to being frustrated when he
>>>> finally bridged the gap to Nakano and then something (not well explained)
>>>> lef him in the kitty-litter again.
>
>>> He got his head down and caught De Angelis (I think) and Nakano. In
>>> the braking zone on the back straight, as Stoner went to pass Nakano,
>>> Nakano went to pass De Angelis - everybody was after the same bit of
>>> track, and it looked like Stoner ran out of brakes again, as he did in
>>> his first off track excursion.
>
>> Either that, or he ran it in too deep for the tires. Which brings up a
>> question, is Rossi's 'Stone presence somehow upsetting Stoner's tire
>> selection, that is, is Bridgestone concentrating more now on Vale and
>> Yam at the expense of Duc and the Aussie? Hmmm...
>
> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
Re: Jerez Spoiler
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:31:36 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
wrote in <47f12e09$0$16687$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
> On 2008-03-31 13:31:10 -0400, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> said:
>> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
>> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
> I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
> then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
Well; Toby, Julie and Randy are a lot closer to the paddock than I
am... It does strike me, though, that he can't tell them what he thinks is
wrong (if anything) with the tyres until he's used them in anger for some
(maybe short) while.
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:31:36 -0400, T3 <notme@nowhere . net >
wrote in <47f12e09$0$16687$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >:
> On 2008-03-31 13:31:10 -0400, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> said:
>> Again according to Eurosport, BS hasn't started doing any special
>> development for Vale yet, just, "Here's what we've got." "OK, I'll use them."
> I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
> then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
Well; Toby, Julie and Randy are a lot closer to the paddock than I
am... It does strike me, though, that he can't tell them what he thinks is
wrong (if anything) with the tyres until he's used them in anger for some
(maybe short) while.
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Re: Jerez Spoiler
IIRC honda did someting like that, much to yamaha's benefit!
On Mar 31, 2:31 pm, T3 <no...@nowhere . net > wrote:
> I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
> then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
IIRC honda did someting like that, much to yamaha's benefit!
On Mar 31, 2:31 pm, T3 <no...@nowhere . net > wrote:
> I dunno Doc, I find it a stretch that BS would tell the GOAT that, but
> then again, I'm sure stranger things have happened...
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