The Assassin

The Assassin

After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
nick name.

Re: The Assassin

"bsr3997@my-deja . com " <bsr3997@my-deja . com > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:44:26
>After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
>nick name.

Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?

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Re: The Assassin

On Apr 7, 8:39 am, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>
> Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
> Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?

Checa had already crashed when he clipped Neukirchner's front wheel.
Whether he'd have made it round the corner if he hadn't crashed is
questionable....

There's a couple of replays including one in slow motion about a
minute into this clip: * w w w .worldsbk . com /pubb EN/popup.php?id=89

Re: The Assassin

RealMart <RedLegMedia@googlemail . com > Mon, 7 Apr 2008 01:28:53
>On Apr 7, 8:39 am, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>>
>> Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
>> Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?
>
>Checa had already crashed when he clipped Neukirchner's front wheel.
>Whether he'd have made it round the corner if he hadn't crashed is
>questionable....
>
>There's a couple of replays including one in slow motion about a
>minute into this clip: * w w w .worldsbk . com /pubb EN/popup.php?id=89

Looks like Checa's going in too fast and couldn't get it stopped. The
front tyre is scrubbing sideways and he's running wide. With nowhere to
go because Max is already turning in. It's a real shame because both of
them deserved their first win and Max didn't deserve to break his ankle.

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Re: The Assassin

On Apr 7, 3:39 am, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
> "bsr3...@my-deja . com " <bsr3...@my-deja . com > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:44:26
>
> >After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
> >nick name.
>
> Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
> Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?
>

Checa went in too hot and crashed taking Max out. Max did not shut
the door. It really sucks that Checa was able to re-enter and finish
5th while Max was sidlined with an injury.

I seem to remember a few years ago, I think it was Hopkins got
suspended for a turn 1 crash and then a week later Checa did worse and
got no punishment. There is a difference between being agressive and
going bezerk. There should be some penalty for what he did.

Bruce

Re: The Assassin

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:20:07 -0700 (PDT), "bsr3997@my-deja . com "
<bsr3997@my-deja . com > wrote:

>On Apr 7, 3:39 am, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>> "bsr3...@my-deja . com " <bsr3...@my-deja . com > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:44:26
>>
>> >After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
>> >nick name.
>>
>> Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
>> Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?

>Checa went in too hot and crashed taking Max out. Max did not shut
>the door. It really sucks that Checa was able to re-enter and finish
>5th while Max was sidlined with an injury.

Yep, but that's racing. If' you'd closed down a 3 sec gap in four
laps, and had a chance to win at the last corner, wouldn't you have
tried it?

>I seem to remember a few years ago, I think it was Hopkins got
>suspended for a turn 1 crash and then a week later Checa did worse and
>got no punishment. There is a difference between being agressive and
>going bezerk. There should be some penalty for what he did.

Not in my view. Checa actually got through cleanly, and was ahead of
Max N when he lost the front. It was just that they were so close
that his crashing bike then took Max's front out. If Max had been a
foot further to the left, he'd have been fine, and taken the win.

As I said, that's racing.
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Re: The Assassin


"Champ" <news@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:20:07 -0700 (PDT), "bsr3997@my-deja . com "
> <bsr3997@my-deja . com > wrote:
>
>>On Apr 7, 3:39 am, Julian Bond <julian b...@voidstar . com > wrote:
>>> "bsr3...@my-deja . com " <bsr3...@my-deja . com > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:44:26
>>>
>>> >After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
>>> >nick name.
>>>
>>> Did Checa lose the front and was already crashing when he took out Max?
>>> Or was there simply not enough room and Max closed the door?
>
>>Checa went in too hot and crashed taking Max out. Max did not shut
>>the door. It really sucks that Checa was able to re-enter and finish
>>5th while Max was sidlined with an injury.
>
> Yep, but that's racing. If' you'd closed down a 3 sec gap in four
> laps, and had a chance to win at the last corner, wouldn't you have
> tried it?
>
>>I seem to remember a few years ago, I think it was Hopkins got
>>suspended for a turn 1 crash and then a week later Checa did worse and
>>got no punishment. There is a difference between being agressive and
>>going bezerk. There should be some penalty for what he did.
>
> Not in my view. Checa actually got through cleanly, and was ahead of
> Max N when he lost the front. It was just that they were so close
> that his crashing bike then took Max's front out. If Max had been a
> foot further to the left, he'd have been fine, and taken the win.
>
> As I said, that's racing.


So It's Max's fault for not shutting the door on the entry to that corner?
That's the way I see it.
I also thought Checa got through clean and lost it.
It wouldn't have happened if Max closed the door earlier IMO.


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Re: The Assassin

Checa was willing to thow them both away for the sake of getting a
wheel in front. He knew the weaknesses of his tire and the track. We
could have enjoyed a fantastic fast close finish instead of a clownish
wipe-out. Checa would have earned massive applause for a close
second, would still have impressed his team, but no he had to go the
death-or-glory route. Neukirchner was robbed and so were we. And we
get a winnder who knows he did not deserve it.

Re: The Assassin

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT), aycliffe@hotmail . com wrote:

>Checa was willing to thow them both away for the sake of getting a
>wheel in front. He knew the weaknesses of his tire and the track.

He did? After setting fastest lap after fastest lap?

>We could have enjoyed a fantastic fast close finish instead of a clownish
>wipe-out. Checa would have earned massive applause for a close
>second, would still have impressed his team, but no he had to go the
>death-or-glory route. Neukirchner was robbed and so were we. And we
>get a winnder who knows he did not deserve it.

You've never raced, have you?
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Re: The Assassin

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:04:08 +0100, Champ wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT), aycliffe@hotmail . com wrote:
>
>>Checa was willing to thow them both away for the sake of getting a
>>wheel in front. He knew the weaknesses of his tire and the track.
>
> He did? After setting fastest lap after fastest lap?
>
>>We could have enjoyed a fantastic fast close finish instead of a clownish
>>wipe-out. Checa would have earned massive applause for a close
>>second, would still have impressed his team, but no he had to go the
>>death-or-glory route. Neukirchner was robbed and so were we. And we
>>get a winnder who knows he did not deserve it.
>
> You've never raced, have you?

Maybe it was the camera angle but aycliffe is right, it did look rather
dim.
Max is on for his debut WSBK win, perfect race, last corner, Checa comes
sailing in missing his apex like nobody's business, silly as you like and
appears to promptly drop it right onto Neukirchner's front wheel in the
most chumptabulous style. And remounts to finish 5th leaving Max with a
broken collarbone.

Re: The Assassin

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:04:14 GMT, Allen <none@this.one> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:04:08 +0100, Champ wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT), aycliffe@hotmail . com wrote:
>>
>>>Checa was willing to thow them both away for the sake of getting a
>>>wheel in front. He knew the weaknesses of his tire and the track.
>>
>> He did? After setting fastest lap after fastest lap?
>>
>>>We could have enjoyed a fantastic fast close finish instead of a clownish
>>>wipe-out. Checa would have earned massive applause for a close
>>>second, would still have impressed his team, but no he had to go the
>>>death-or-glory route. Neukirchner was robbed and so were we. And we
>>>get a winnder who knows he did not deserve it.
>>
>> You've never raced, have you?
>
>Maybe it was the camera angle but aycliffe is right, it did look rather
>dim.
>Max is on for his debut WSBK win, perfect race, last corner, Checa comes
>sailing in missing his apex like nobody's business, silly as you like and
>appears to promptly drop it right onto Neukirchner's front wheel in the
>most chumptabulous style.

Or...Checa, in his first season in WSB gets a poor start but sets
fastest lap after fast lap from the middle of the race, and closes
down 4 seconds on the leader in the last 6 laps. Approaching one of
the key overtaking places, Max leaves the door open, so Checa tries a
block pass up the inside - he didn't need to make the apex, he just
needed to occupy the bit of tarmac Max wanted.

> And remounts to finish 5th leaving Max with a broken collarbone.

That's just the way the chips feel. No one could predict that.
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Re: The Assassin

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:29:38 -0700, "Andrew"
<yogig.no.spamm.spam.no._@hotmail . com > wrote:

>> Not in my view. Checa actually got through cleanly, and was ahead of
>> Max N when he lost the front. It was just that they were so close
>> that his crashing bike then took Max's front out. If Max had been a
>> foot further to the left, he'd have been fine, and taken the win.
>>
>> As I said, that's racing.

>So It's Max's fault for not shutting the door on the entry to that corner?
>That's the way I see it.

I doubt Max knew he was there - Checa caught him so fast. Max's lap
times dropped by over a second a lap in the last 3~4 laps

>I also thought Checa got through clean and lost it.
>It wouldn't have happened if Max closed the door earlier IMO.

If he's known Checa was there, he'd would/should have ridden a
defensive line, preventing the move, I agree.

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Re: The Assassin


<bsr3997@my-deja . com > wrote in message
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> After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
> nick name.

Him and the guy from the 250 race the week before!

Re: The Assassin

just bob wrote:
> <bsr3997@my-deja . com > wrote in message
> news:dc63a235-a8b1-4a61-906b-b65996c64017@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>> After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
>> nick name.
>
> Him and the guy from the 250 race the week before!
>
>
actually, first glance looked like Simoncelli was the culprit, but
saw an ionterview and replay today that showed is was the lead bike
that had some issue and unexpectedly slowed mid corner and that caused
the collision, in fact, immediately after the crash the two riders
gave a hug while walking out of the gravel, can;t see Bautista doing that
if Simoncelli had just taken him out.

Bruce

Re: The Assassin

Aha, thanks. I saw the hug but didn't see the report.

"Bruce Hartweg" <bruce-news@hartweg.us> wrote in message
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> just bob wrote:
>> <bsr3997@my-deja . com > wrote in message
>> news:dc63a235-a8b1-4a61-906b-b65996c64017@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>>> After watching Checa take out Neukirchner I think he deserves a new
>>> nick name.
>>
>> Him and the guy from the 250 race the week before!
> actually, first glance looked like Simoncelli was the culprit, but
> saw an ionterview and replay today that showed is was the lead bike
> that had some issue and unexpectedly slowed mid corner and that caused
> the collision, in fact, immediately after the crash the two riders
> gave a hug while walking out of the gravel, can;t see Bautista doing that
> if Simoncelli had just taken him out.
>
> Bruce