It's over...

It's over...

http :// www .cyclenews,com /ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12798

So no real SB class probably means no Japanese OEMs, althoufgh I
suppose Yamaha is still a possibility in ASB and maybe even DSB, but
even that would likely be through Graves, I'd think. I pretty much
thought it was over when I saw this one:

http :// www .roadracingworld,com /news/article/?article=33696

Since Ulrich was trying to stop the break, and since his website went
heavily negative on the factories in the last week, I assumed that had
reached impasse and since he was assumedly going the NASBike route he
had to damn the alternate series principals before that even happened.
Now an expected announcement that is more about Ulrich making his
choice than where Cardenas will be racing.

And then there's this one:

http :// www .roadracingworld,com /news/article/?article=33684

Obviously that meeting won't go that well, since Rog Ed has just
thrown the factories and at least some of the star riders out the
door. So unless he has some big promoter welfare plan to unveil, one
assumes his ultimate schedule for next year won't look anything like
this year - NASBike might look a lot like NASCAR circa 1960...

Now we wait to see if MIC has already revved up series development in
time for 2009, or if I have to spend a year satisfied by watching
MotoGP and WSB on the tube. And finally, this on our boy:

"Edmondson is now embarking on a cross country motorcycle trip with
one of his sons. They’ll ride a pair of Harley-Davidsons, a Road Glide
and a Street Glide, arriving at next weekend’s Grand-Am race at
Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California in time for a Friday meeting
with the AMA road race promoters."

Hopefully he'll meet up with a semi in a rather unpleasant manner
along the way - keep a good thought...

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-15 20:25:01 -0400, Mark N <menusbaum@earthlink,net > said:

> "Edmondson is now embarking on a cross country motorcycle trip with
> one of his sons. TheyÕll ride a pair of Harley-Davidsons, a Road Glide
> and a Street Glide, arriving at next weekendÕs Grand-Am race at
> Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California in time for a Friday meeting
> with the AMA road race promoters."
>
> Hopefully he'll meet up with a semi in a rather unpleasant manner
> along the way - keep a good thought...

That you would wish someone harm and call it a "good thought" speaks
volumes of your mental health.
A new low indeed and you want folks to take you seriously?
Yeah, like that's gonna' happen...

Re: It's over...

T3 wrote:
> Mark N said:
>
>> "Edmondson is now embarking on a cross country motorcycle trip with
>> one of his sons. They?ll ride a pair of Harley-Davidsons, a Road Glide
>> and a Street Glide, arriving at next weekend?s Grand-Am race at
>> Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California in time for a Friday meeting
>> with the AMA road race promoters."
>>
>> Hopefully he'll meet up with a semi in a rather unpleasant manner
>> along the way - keep a good thought...
>
> That you would wish someone harm and call it a "good thought" speaks
> volumes of your mental health.
> A new low indeed and you want folks to take you seriously?
> Yeah, like that's gonna' happen...

Oh, Please, Tom, spare my your righteous indignation. Countless people
get hurt or die every day, and everyone does eventually. People wish
grievous bodily harm on other people all the time (think Americans and
Iraq), and in this country over "preserving our way of life". Well, Rog
Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at least a small piece of it,
part of how I choose to spend my free time, what I select as
entertainment, enhancement to the quality of my life. And I don't know
the fucker, never have met him, never even seen him as far as I know.
But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a distance,
and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had a long, good
life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off. Racing has
completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend the next week
cruising the country on his damned Harley. Hell, if someone has to go
down in the process of this world, why not him? Maybe that just makes me
an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear over him. And
I'd bet big money that there would be no lame silent post thread around
here either...

No, what's really foul in the context of this group is your use of this
to attack my credibility here. Any tool in the shed, eh, Tom? I
sincerely doubt that you really give a shit about him either, only as
far as he impacts you, which you consider to be positively to this
point, one of your racing heroes. I mean, anyone who could contribute to
driving the AMA under with his lawsuit and driving those horrible
factories out of racing should be put on a pedestal. Especially if he's
working out of Daytona...

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-16 12:22:18 -0400, Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net >
said: goes batshit over RogEd and his Harley!

>
> Oh, Please, Tom, spare my your righteous indignation.

I'm not indignant, righteous, or otherwise, just pointing out something
you may need to address, or not, whatever..

> Countless people get hurt or die every day, and everyone does
> eventually. People wish grievous bodily harm on other people all the
> time (think Americans and Iraq), and in this country over "preserving
> our way of life". Well, Rog Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at
> least a small piece of it, part of how I choose to spend my free time,
> what I select as entertainment, enhancement to the quality of my life.

So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon anyone
that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?(and in reality,
he's done nothing of the sort!) What's next, you gonna start hoping
Rossi gets hurt? After all, I'm sure he's fucked up your
"entertainment" a few times too!

> And I don't know the fucker, never have met him, never even seen him
> as far as I know.

That you don't know him makes it easier, or okay?

> But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a
> distance, and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had a
> long, good life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off.

He's fucking with you? Hmmm...

> Racing has completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend
> the next week cruising the country on his damned Harley.

So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?

> Hell, if someone has to go down in the process of this world, why not him?

Or for that matter, you..

> Maybe that just makes me an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't
> shed a tear over him. And I'd bet big money that there would be no lame
> silent post thread around here either...

Trust me on this, you're much more than just an "unfeeling asshole,"
much more indeed..
>
> No, what's really foul in the context of this group is your use of this
> to attack my credibility here.

Dood, when it comes to understanding US Racing you never had any
credibility to begin with, though obviously you have an issue, or five..

> Any tool in the shed, eh, Tom?

I didn't write that crap, you did. I don't go around wishing injury on
anyone, you do. So, if someone picks up a "tool" you left laying around
and knocks the snot out of you, oh well..

> I sincerely doubt that you really give a shit about him either, only
> as far as he impacts you, which you consider to be positively to this
> point, one of your racing heroes.

Project, spin, project, then repeat as needed. Wow!

> I mean, anyone who could contribute to driving the AMA under with his
> lawsuit and driving those horrible factories out of racing should be
> put on a pedestal.

If you say so..

> Especially if he's working out of Daytona...

I tried to tell ya'......

Re: It's over...

T3, group Harley apologist, mistakenly believes roadracing fans love
Harleys:
> Mark N said: goes batshit over RogEd and his Harley!
>> Oh, Please, Tom, spare my your righteous indignation.
>
> I'm not indignant, righteous, or otherwise, just pointing out something
> you may need to address, or not, whatever..

But you point that out in this group and not a private email, which
suggests it's not to me you're pointing it out...

>> Countless people get hurt or die every day, and everyone does
>> eventually. People wish grievous bodily harm on other people all the
>> time (think Americans and Iraq), and in this country over "preserving
>> our way of life". Well, Rog Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at
>> least a small piece of it, part of how I choose to spend my free
>> time, what I select as entertainment, enhancement to the quality of
>> my life.
>
> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon anyone
> that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?

I can wish what I want, it has no impact at all on it actually
happening. I mean, I've wished you weren't such a lying, manipulative
dick, but has that done anything? Not that I can see...

(and in reality,
> he's done nothing of the sort!)

That I'll concede - he's all about "entertainment"...

What's next, you gonna start hoping
> Rossi gets hurt? After all, I'm sure he's fucked up your "entertainment"
> a few times too!

Nice attempt to get all the Rossi-pheliacs on your side. But, no, Rossi
is a racer and not a worthless, ego-stuffed suit.

>> And I don't know the fucker, never have met him, never even seen him
>> as far as I know.
>
> That you don't know him makes it easier, or okay?

Wishing is fine, and if you don't know that knowing or not knowing
someone does have an impact on what a person thinks, well...

>> But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a
>> distance, and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had a
>> long, good life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off.
>
> He's fucking with you? Hmmm...

And a lot of other people, in that limited context.

>> Racing has completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend
>> the next week cruising the country on his damned Harley.
>
> So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?

Think of the Harley as frosting on the cake...

>> Hell, if someone has to go down in the process of this world, why
>> not him?
>
> Or for that matter, you..

Yeah, whatever. It's just a notion anyway.

>> Maybe that just makes me an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly
>> wouldn't shed a tear over him. And I'd bet big money that there would
>> be no lame silent post thread around here either...
>
> Trust me on this, you're much more than just an "unfeeling asshole,"
> much more indeed..

Thanks.

>> No, what's really foul in the context of this group is your use of
>> this to attack my credibility here.
>
> Dood, when it comes to understanding US Racing you never had any
> credibility to begin with, though obviously you have an issue, or five..

I understand, anyone that doesn't agree with you or calls you on your
lies doesn't know anything, has no credibility. Maybe I need to start
lying around here, that's building some credibility, T3-style...

>> Any tool in the shed, eh, Tom?
>
> I didn't write that crap, you did. I don't go around wishing injury on
> anyone, you do. So, if someone picks up a "tool" you left laying around
> and knocks the snot out of you, oh well..

Is that technically true? You want racing to be full-contact, no holds
barred, and people would get hurt there, no doubt. You accept and
probably want racing in southern bowls, and people will get hurt there
as well.

>> I sincerely doubt that you really give a shit about him either, only
>> as far as he impacts you, which you consider to be positively to this
>> point, one of your racing heroes.
>
> Project, spin, project, then repeat as needed. Wow!

Who's doing the spinning here, Tom?

>> I mean, anyone who could contribute to driving the AMA under with his
>> lawsuit and driving those horrible factories out of racing should be
>> put on a pedestal.
>
> If you say so..

No, you say so.

>> Especially if he's working out of Daytona...
>
> I tried to tell ya'......

The clouds part and the sun shines through...

Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up and
run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter at
hand. Nice to see you didn't disappoint, although total predictability
does get a touch boring after a while...

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-16 16:52:06 -0400, Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net >
said: while jumping up and down crying..

>
> But you point that out in this group and not a private email, which
> suggests it's not to me you're pointing it out...

Dude, let's review, you wrote in a world-wide and very public forum of
your wishes that the guy get hurt, or worse, for no other reason than
you object to how he reacted to your beloved OEM's unwillingness to
participate in a series which they demanded. Stunning to say the least!
As far as private mail goes, not a chance, at least not until you
demonstrate some civility..
>
>>> Countless people get hurt or die every day, and everyone does
>>> eventually. People wish grievous bodily harm on other people all the
>>> time (think Americans and Iraq), and in this country over "preserving
>>> our way of life". Well, Rog Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at
>>> least a small piece of it, part of how I choose to spend my free time,
>>> what I select as entertainment, enhancement to the quality of my life.
>>
>> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon anyone
>> that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?
>
> I can wish what I want, it has no impact at all on it actually happening.

Clue; Some may think you a fool, writing crap like you did only removes
all doubt..

> I mean, I've wished you weren't such a lying, manipulative dick, but
> has that done anything? Not that I can see...

Why? Because I told you damn near exactly how this was gonna play out
from the opening kickoff? And by the way, you see very little because
you choose to, not so much because it's hidden..
>
> (and in reality,
>> he's done nothing of the sort!)
>
> That I'll concede - he's all about "entertainment"...

Versus exhibition? BTW, today was a perfect example, Tommy and the Yosh
boxes are back, how thrilling!..
>
> What's next, you gonna start hoping
>> Rossi gets hurt? After all, I'm sure he's fucked up your
>> "entertainment" a few times too!
>
> Nice attempt to get all the Rossi-pheliacs on your side. But, no, Rossi
> is a racer and not a worthless, ego-stuffed suit.

Last week he was a dirty racer too, at least according to you..
>
>>> And I don't know the fucker, never have met him, never even seen him
>>> as far as I know.
>>
>> That you don't know him makes it easier, or okay?
>
> Wishing is fine, and if you don't know that knowing or not knowing
> someone does have an impact on what a person thinks, well...

Ayup, to you and all your neo-con buddy's anyway..

>
>>> But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a
>>> distance, and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had a
>>> long, good life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off.
>>
>> He's fucking with you? Hmmm...
>
> And a lot of other people, in that limited context.

Who? Name names!
>
>>> Racing has completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend
>>> the next week cruising the country on his damned Harley.
>>
>> So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?
>
> Think of the Harley as frosting on the cake...

Heheh, then I'd imagine you really aren't gonna go for next year!

>
>>> Hell, if someone has to go down in the process of this world, why not him?
>>
>> Or for that matter, you..
>
> Yeah, whatever. It's just a notion anyway.

Ahh c'mon, we both know it's more than that, don't hold back, go ahead
and get it off your chest, you'll feel better even if there's still not
gonna be a FSB exhibition next year.. (heheh, you soooo easy!;-)
>
>>> Maybe that just makes me an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't
>>> shed a tear over him. And I'd bet big money that there would be no lame
>>> silent post thread around here either...
>>
>> Trust me on this, you're much more than just an "unfeeling asshole,"
>> much more indeed..
>
> Thanks.

Don't get all thin skinned on me now Mark, after all, you started this
round off without gloves, so don't cry if you take a punch, or 12,
besides, it's raining here and there's no Oly stuff on I'm interested
in..

>
>>> No, what's really foul in the context of this group is your use of this
>>> to attack my credibility here.
>>
>> Dood, when it comes to understanding US Racing you never had any
>> credibility to begin with, though obviously you have an issue, or five..
>
> I understand, anyone that doesn't agree with you or calls you on your
> lies doesn't know anything, has no credibility.

I have never demanded anyone agree with me, ever! You are free to
believe whatever version of the universe you need to, however, the
problem's arise when you force it upon everyone else..

> Maybe I need to start lying around here, that's building some
> credibility, T3-style...

Maybe, just maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that you
don't know much about US racing beyond your little slice of it, then
again, that's prolly waaaay tooo much to hope for..
>
>>> Any tool in the shed, eh, Tom?
>>
>> I didn't write that crap, you did. I don't go around wishing injury on
>> anyone, you do. So, if someone picks up a "tool" you left laying around
>> and knocks the snot out of you, oh well..
>
> Is that technically true? You want racing to be full-contact, no holds
> barred, and people would get hurt there, no doubt. You accept and
> probably want racing in southern bowls, and people will get hurt there
> as well.

Southern bowls? You mean DIS(TWICE!!), Homestead, R/A, Bamaham and VIR?
Versus what, 'Guna, Sears and Fontucky? Get real!! Hey, betcha Streets
of Willow is open! (heheh;-)
>
>>> I sincerely doubt that you really give a shit about him either, only
>>> as far as he impacts you, which you consider to be positively to this
>>> point, one of your racing heroes.
>>
>> Project, spin, project, then repeat as needed. Wow!
>
> Who's doing the spinning here, Tom?

Umm, pretty much you..
>
>>> I mean, anyone who could contribute to driving the AMA under with his
>>> lawsuit and driving those horrible factories out of racing should be
>>> put on a pedestal.
>>
>> If you say so..
>
> No, you say so.

I haven't said anything today except to task you on all your "good thoughts."
>
>>> Especially if he's working out of Daytona...
>>
>> I tried to tell ya'......
>
> The clouds part and the sun shines through...

Actually, they parted a few months back just about the time that "train
left the station," sorry you missed it..
>
> Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up and
> run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter at
> hand.

Like wishing someone you don't know Jack shit about would get hit by a
semi while on a trip across the country? Tell me, you want a cabover to
take him out, or are you wishing for a more conventional Mac type to do
the dirty work?

> Nice to see you didn't disappoint, although total predictability does
> get a touch boring after a while...

Trust me on this, I don't consider getting hit by a truck boring,
though I do consider someone who would suggest such a thing a little
"off."

Re: It's over...

T3 wrote:
> Mark N said:

>> But you point that out in this group and not a private email, which
>> suggests it's not to me you're pointing it out...
>
> Dude, let's review, you wrote in a world-wide and very public forum of
> your wishes that the guy get hurt, or worse, for no other reason than
> you object to how he reacted to your beloved OEM's unwillingness to
> participate in a series which they demanded. Stunning to say the least!

I see you're spinning that story as well, typical. Frankly, I was hoping
that the OEMs would reject the bone DMG threw them, because I think even
as small as that was, it would be taken away shortly. I think their
series has limited chances of success if they don't have the Japanese
OEMs and also a notable number of the current tracks. That's the way
it's looking right now, so there's still hope...

>>> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon
>>> anyone that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?
>>
>> I can wish what I want, it has no impact at all on it actually happening.
>
> Clue; Some may think you a fool, writing crap like you did only removes
> all doubt..

Tom, go back and look at all the times that you've thrown threats of
physical violence my way just for what I've written and then repeat your
self-righteous stand about people who "wish grievous bodily harm" on others.

>> I mean, I've wished you weren't such a lying, manipulative dick, but
>> has that done anything? Not that I can see...
>
> Why? Because I told you damn near exactly how this was gonna play out
> from the opening kickoff?

I'm hardly limiting that to this particular subject. And on that claim,
I think you should go back to mid-June of last year, under "Catalunya
Spoiler", to see what I was predicting a series run out of Daytona would
look like. And as for your claims, they've been amazingly general and
hardly consistent. For instance, you've claimed at various times that
all or some of the Japanese factories would knuckle under and cave to
DMG's will, and we have yet to see any of them do that. The one thing
you've said that I'd absolutely agree with is that things would get
worse before they get any better.

>> (and in reality,
>>> he's done nothing of the sort!)
>>
>> That I'll concede - he's all about "entertainment"...
>
> Versus exhibition? BTW, today was a perfect example, Tommy and the Yosh
> boxes are back, how thrilling!..

Versus racing. It's not the series' fault that Suzuki has the best bikes
and best riders, is it? Or that Hodgson and Hacking crashed? That Tommy
finished 30 seconds behind Mladin says it's hardly all about the bikes.
Would you suggest that the AMA step in a legislate against the Suzukis,
sticking them with extra weight or restrictors or something? Or just
pick on Yosh and not the other Suzukis? Because that's what the DMG
rules provide for, so you must be for it.

>> What's next, you gonna start hoping
>>> Rossi gets hurt? After all, I'm sure he's fucked up your
>>> "entertainment" a few times too!
>>
>> Nice attempt to get all the Rossi-pheliacs on your side. But, no,
>> Rossi is a racer and not a worthless, ego-stuffed suit.
>
> Last week he was a dirty racer too, at least according to you..

And this week he still is, I'm fairly sure...

>>>> But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a
>>>> distance, and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had
>>>> a long, good life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off.
>>>
>>> He's fucking with you? Hmmm...
>>
>> And a lot of other people, in that limited context.
>
> Who? Name names!

Pretty much anyone who likes real racing and isn't sold on the AMA
series being replaced with some Euro-American spec club championship.
Don't tell me you haven't read anything about that? I know you've read
some of the posts here.

>>>> Racing has completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend
>>>> the next week cruising the country on his damned Harley.
>>>
>>> So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?
>>
>> Think of the Harley as frosting on the cake...
>
> Heheh, then I'd imagine you really aren't gonna go for next year!

Good guess.

> Ahh c'mon, we both know it's more than that, don't hold back, go ahead
> and get it off your chest, you'll feel better even if there's still not
> gonna be a FSB exhibition next year.. (heheh, you soooo easy!;-)

Careful, Tom, you're starting to lose it...

> Don't get all thin skinned on me now Mark, after all, you started this
> round off without gloves, so don't cry if you take a punch, or 12,
> besides, it's raining here and there's no Oly stuff on I'm interested in..

Maybe you'd go for some oily stuff instead? I'm sure you could find some...

>> Maybe I need to start lying around here, that's building some
>> credibility, T3-style...
>
> Maybe, just maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that you don't
> know much about US racing beyond your little slice of it, then again,
> that's prolly waaaay tooo much to hope for..

And maybe you need to realize your view is hopelessly distorted by your
Daytona-colored glasses. It's funny how you can make those claims when
essentially no one here has supported your view of things. Hell, half
the time you won't even support your own views...

>> Is that technically true? You want racing to be full-contact, no holds
>> barred, and people would get hurt there, no doubt. You accept and
>> probably want racing in southern bowls, and people will get hurt there
>> as well.
>
> Southern bowls? You mean DIS(TWICE!!), Homestead, R/A, Bamaham and VIR?
> Versus what, 'Guna, Sears and Fontucky? Get real!! Hey, betcha Streets
> of Willow is open! (heheh;-)

Once a cracker, always a cracker...

>>>> Especially if he's working out of Daytona...
>>>
>>> I tried to tell ya'......
>>
>> The clouds part and the sun shines through...
>
> Actually, they parted a few months back just about the time that "train
> left the station," sorry you missed it..

Oh, I think it was long before that, years, actually...

>> Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up and
>> run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter at hand.
>
> Like wishing someone you don't know Jack shit about would get hit by a
> semi while on a trip across the country? Tell me, you want a cabover to
> take him out, or are you wishing for a more conventional Mac type to do
> the dirty work?

Let me get back to you on that. Triple trailer would be good, though -
thump, thump, thump...

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-16 20:33:02 -0400, Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net > said:

> T3 wrote:
>> Mark N said:
>
>>> But you point that out in this group and not a private email, which
>>> suggests it's not to me you're pointing it out...
>>
>> Dude, let's review, you wrote in a world-wide and very public forum of
>> your wishes that the guy get hurt, or worse, for no other reason than
>> you object to how he reacted to your beloved OEM's unwillingness to
>> participate in a series which they demanded. Stunning to say the least!
>
> I see you're spinning that story as well, typical. Frankly, I was
> hoping that the OEMs would reject the bone DMG threw them, because I
> think even as small as that was, it would be taken away shortly. I
> think their series has limited chances of success if they don't have
> the Japanese OEMs and also a notable number of the current tracks.
> That's the way it's looking right now, so there's still hope...

You mean you hold out hope some will return? I do too, in fact, I'd
almost count on it..
>
>>>> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon anyone
>>>> that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?
>>>
>>> I can wish what I want, it has no impact at all on it actually happening.
>>
>> Clue; Some may think you a fool, writing crap like you did only removes
>> all doubt..
>
> Tom, go back and look at all the times that you've thrown threats of
> physical violence my way just for what I've written and then repeat
> your self-righteous stand about people who "wish grievous bodily harm"
> on others.

You just perceived them as threats, when in fact, they were more like
promises..
>
>>> I mean, I've wished you weren't such a lying, manipulative dick, but
>>> has that done anything? Not that I can see...
>>
>> Why? Because I told you damn near exactly how this was gonna play out
>> from the opening kickoff?
>
> I'm hardly limiting that to this particular subject. And on that claim,
> I think you should go back to mid-June of last year, under "Catalunya
> Spoiler", to see what I was predicting a series run out of Daytona
> would look like. And as for your claims, they've been amazingly general
> and hardly consistent. For instance, you've claimed at various times
> that all or some of the Japanese factories would knuckle under and cave
> to DMG's will, and we have yet to see any of them do that.

Wanna bet that isn't coming?

> The one thing you've said that I'd absolutely agree with is that
> things would get worse before they get any better.

I believe I said shakey, it's hard to get much worse than what we have
at present..
>
>>> (and in reality,
>>>> he's done nothing of the sort!)
>>>
>>> That I'll concede - he's all about "entertainment"...
>>
>> Versus exhibition? BTW, today was a perfect example, Tommy and the Yosh
>> boxes are back, how thrilling!..
>
> Versus racing. It's not the series' fault that Suzuki has the best
> bikes and best riders, is it?

When a series like the old PR let the OEM's come and go as they please,
why should we bother?

> Or that Hodgson and Hacking crashed? That Tommy finished 30 seconds
> behind Mladin says it's hardly all about the bikes. Would you suggest
> that the AMA step in a legislate against the Suzukis, sticking them
> with extra weight or restrictors or something? Or just pick on Yosh and
> not the other Suzukis? Because that's what the DMG rules provide for,
> so you must be for it.

Read the above 20 times..
>
>>> What's next, you gonna start hoping
>>>> Rossi gets hurt? After all, I'm sure he's fucked up your
>>>> "entertainment" a few times too!
>>>
>>> Nice attempt to get all the Rossi-pheliacs on your side. But, no, Rossi
>>> is a racer and not a worthless, ego-stuffed suit.
>>
>> Last week he was a dirty racer too, at least according to you..
>
> And this week he still is, I'm fairly sure...

Only to you it would appear, but that's cool, as that's your
prerogative, no matter how skewed that vision may be..

>
>>>>> But he chooses to fuck with me in a sense, blindly and from a
>>>>> distance, and strikes me as an arrogant asshole "salesman" who's had a
>>>>> long, good life that's made him rich or at least reasonably well off.
>>>>
>>>> He's fucking with you? Hmmm...
>>>
>>> And a lot of other people, in that limited context.
>>
>> Who? Name names!
>
> Pretty much anyone who likes real racing and isn't sold on the AMA
> series being replaced with some Euro-American spec club championship.

Real racing? You mean like today, or last year, or, well, never mind..

> Don't tell me you haven't read anything about that? I know you've read
> some of the posts here.

Sure, I read a lot of stuff, but a whole bunch of it's very narrow and
predisposed to the status
quo that got US racing in the mess it's in today..
>
>>>>> Racing has completely blown up here, and now he'd going to go spend
>>>>> the next week cruising the country on his damned Harley.
>>>>
>>>> So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?
>>>
>>> Think of the Harley as frosting on the cake...
>>
>> Heheh, then I'd imagine you really aren't gonna go for next year!
>
> Good guess.

Umm, no guess here..
>
>> Ahh c'mon, we both know it's more than that, don't hold back, go ahead
>> and get it off your chest, you'll feel better even if there's still not
>> gonna be a FSB exhibition next year.. (heheh, you soooo easy!;-)
>
> Careful, Tom, you're starting to lose it...

I'll be sure to let you if I ever do, but don't hold your breath waiting..
>
>> Don't get all thin skinned on me now Mark, after all, you started this
>> round off without gloves, so don't cry if you take a punch, or 12,
>> besides, it's raining here and there's no Oly stuff on I'm interested
>> in..
>
> Maybe you'd go for some oily stuff instead? I'm sure you could find some...

Nope, I just washed my garage floor.. (time to trade, the F'ing Yam's
startin' to leak!)
>
>>> Maybe I need to start lying around here, that's building some
>>> credibility, T3-style...
>>
>> Maybe, just maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that you
>> don't know much about US racing beyond your little slice of it, then
>> again, that's prolly waaaay tooo much to hope for..
>
> And maybe you need to realize your view is hopelessly distorted by your
> Daytona-colored glasses.

That's the real deal here isn't it? You hate the fact that US M/C
racing's finally comin' home, doncha'? All I can say is, "sorry 'bout
yer luck, schmuck!" ;-)

> It's funny how you can make those claims when essentially no one here
> has supported your view of things. Hell, half the time you won't even
> support your own views...
>
>>> Is that technically true? You want racing to be full-contact, no holds
>>> barred, and people would get hurt there, no doubt. You accept and
>>> probably want racing in southern bowls, and people will get hurt there
>>> as well.
>>
>> Southern bowls? You mean DIS(TWICE!!), Homestead, R/A, Bamaham and VIR?
>> Versus what, 'Guna, Sears and Fontucky? Get real!! Hey, betcha Streets
>> of Willow is open! (heheh;-)
>
> Once a cracker, always a cracker...

If by that you mean a Florida Cracker, you betcha!
>
>>>>> Especially if he's working out of Daytona...
>>>>
>>>> I tried to tell ya'......
>>>
>>> The clouds part and the sun shines through...
>>
>> Actually, they parted a few months back just about the time that "train
>> left the station," sorry you missed it..
>
> Oh, I think it was long before that, years, actually...

Heheh, so do I, though I doubt exactly like you think..
>
>>> Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up and
>>> run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter at
>>> hand.
>>
>> Like wishing someone you don't know Jack shit about would get hit by a
>> semi while on a trip across the country? Tell me, you want a cabover to
>> take him out, or are you wishing for a more conventional Mac type to do
>> the dirty work?
>
> Let me get back to you on that. Triple trailer would be good, though -
> thump, thump, thump...

Now you're talkin,' you see, if you add some joviality, or for that
matter, even dark humor, a wildass statement such as that takes on a
different color and makes it "somewhat" easier to accept, but as it
was, it pretty much suk'd. Anyway, I gotta start cleanin' this joint
up, Lil Red's comin' over tonight in what she says is an "exotic"
outfit. Heh, my luck that prolly means handcuffs, blindfold and a whip!
Gotta run, err, stumble, c'ya...

Re: It's over...

T3 wrote:
> Mark N said:

>> I see you're spinning that story as well, typical. Frankly, I was
>> hoping that the OEMs would reject the bone DMG threw them, because I
>> think even as small as that was, it would be taken away shortly. I
>> think their series has limited chances of success if they don't have
>> the Japanese OEMs and also a notable number of the current tracks.
>> That's the way it's looking right now, so there's still hope...
>
> You mean you hold out hope some will return? I do too, in fact, I'd
> almost count on it..

I find it interesting that someone who is so critical of OEMs in racing
(well, Japanese ones, anyway) and is so supportive of the organization
that is driving them out, really wants them to stay

>>>>> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon
>>>>> anyone that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?

>> Tom, go back and look at all the times that you've thrown threats of
>> physical violence my way just for what I've written and then repeat
>> your self-righteous stand about people who "wish grievous bodily harm"
>> on others.
>
> You just perceived them as threats, when in fact, they were more like
> promises..

Point proven - once again you are revealed as utterly disingenuous...

>>> Why? Because I told you damn near exactly how this was gonna play out
>>> from the opening kickoff?
>>
>> I'm hardly limiting that to this particular subject. And on that
>> claim, I think you should go back to mid-June of last year, under
>> "Catalunya Spoiler", to see what I was predicting a series run out of
>> Daytona would look like. And as for your claims, they've been
>> amazingly general and hardly consistent. For instance, you've claimed
>> at various times that all or some of the Japanese factories would
>> knuckle under and cave to DMG's will, and we have yet to see any of
>> them do that.
>
> Wanna bet that isn't coming?

Oh, it's certainly possible. But how I interpret the OEMs giving DMG a
bit of their own medicine over the last couple months (the reverse
literbike jerkfest) is that they're in the process of setting up shop
elsewhere. Yamaha seemed to be the weak link, but they haven't broken
away yet.

>> The one thing you've said that I'd absolutely agree with is that
>> things would get worse before they get any better.
>
> I believe I said shakey, it's hard to get much worse than what we have
> at present..

And yet you continue to follow and watch. More disingenuousness?

>>> Versus exhibition? BTW, today was a perfect example, Tommy and the
>>> Yosh boxes are back, how thrilling!..
>>
>> Versus racing. It's not the series' fault that Suzuki has the best
>> bikes and best riders, is it?
>
> When a series like the old PR let the OEM's come and go as they please,
> why should we bother?

Yeah, they should have treated them like they were "guests" at
Guantanamo. At least DMG has shown us the way, with the OEMs going as
they please, but no more coming, of course...

>> Or that Hodgson and Hacking crashed? That Tommy finished 30 seconds
>> behind Mladin says it's hardly all about the bikes. Would you suggest
>> that the AMA step in a legislate against the Suzukis, sticking them
>> with extra weight or restrictors or something? Or just pick on Yosh
>> and not the other Suzukis? Because that's what the DMG rules provide
>> for, so you must be for it.
>
> Read the above 20 times..

Pull your head out of your ass 20 times.

>>>> Nice attempt to get all the Rossi-pheliacs on your side. But, no,
>>>> Rossi is a racer and not a worthless, ego-stuffed suit.
>>>
>>> Last week he was a dirty racer too, at least according to you..
>>
>> And this week he still is, I'm fairly sure...
>
> Only to you it would appear, but that's cool, as that's your
> prerogative, no matter how skewed that vision may be..

...so says another "racing is blood" advocate. And a Rossi-fag as well?

>>>> And a lot of other people, in that limited context.
>>>
>>> Who? Name names!
>>
>> Pretty much anyone who likes real racing and isn't sold on the AMA
>> series being replaced with some Euro-American spec club championship.
>
> Real racing? You mean like today, or last year, or, well, never mind..

But it was real racing when Rossi won 50+ races and five straight
championships on Michelins specially made for him? Were you yelling for
production GP racebikes back then? Spec tires? Dyno runs??

>> Don't tell me you haven't read anything about that? I know you've
>> read some of the posts here.
>
> Sure, I read a lot of stuff, but a whole bunch of it's very narrow and
> predisposed to the status
> quo that got US racing in the mess it's in today..

Yet more hollow generalizations...

>>>>> So, is it him, his Harley, or both that stirs your hatred?
>>>>
>>>> Think of the Harley as frosting on the cake...
>>>
>>> Heheh, then I'd imagine you really aren't gonna go for next year!
>>
>> Good guess.
>
> Umm, no guess here..

Nope.

>> Maybe you'd go for some oily stuff instead? I'm sure you could find
>> some...
>
> Nope, I just washed my garage floor.. (time to trade, the F'ing Yam's
> startin' to leak!)

Sure it's not one of those Harleys?

>> And maybe you need to realize your view is hopelessly distorted by
>> your Daytona-colored glasses.
>
> That's the real deal here isn't it? You hate the fact that US M/C
> racing's finally comin' home, doncha'?

Sliding back to the dark ages is more like it. Imagine if The Isle of
Man bought Grand Prix from the FIM 35 years ago - what would GP be like
today? Hmm...

>>> Southern bowls? You mean DIS(TWICE!!), Homestead, R/A, Bamaham and
>>> VIR? Versus what, 'Guna, Sears and Fontucky? Get real!! Hey, betcha
>>> Streets of Willow is open! (heheh;-)
>>
>> Once a cracker, always a cracker...
>
> If by that you mean a Florida Cracker, you betcha!

Well, that, and perhaps also a butt-cracker. You know, what we in
Wisconsin use to call fudge packers...

>>>> Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up
>>>> and run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter
>>>> at hand.
>>>
>>> Like wishing someone you don't know Jack shit about would get hit by
>>> a semi while on a trip across the country? Tell me, you want a
>>> cabover to take him out, or are you wishing for a more conventional
>>> Mac type to do the dirty work?
>>
>> Let me get back to you on that. Triple trailer would be good, though -
>> thump, thump, thump...
>
> Now you're talkin,' you see, if you add some joviality, or for that
> matter, even dark humor, a wildass statement such as that takes on a
> different color and makes it "somewhat" easier to accept, but as it was,
> it pretty much suk'd.

Eh, my guess is Howard's not gonna be quite as generous...

Anyway, I gotta start cleanin' this joint up, Lil
> Red's comin' over tonight in what she says is an "exotic" outfit. Heh,
> my luck that prolly means handcuffs, blindfold and a whip!

Let me guess - you get the handcuffs and he wears the blindfold. Still
workin' out the whip.

Oh, sorry, I thought you said Big Red...

> Gotta run, err, stumble, c'ya...

Adios...

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-16 23:16:40 -0400, Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net > said:

> T3 wrote:
>> Mark N said:
>
>>> I see you're spinning that story as well, typical. Frankly, I was
>>> hoping that the OEMs would reject the bone DMG threw them, because I
>>> think even as small as that was, it would be taken away shortly. I
>>> think their series has limited chances of success if they don't have
>>> the Japanese OEMs and also a notable number of the current tracks.
>>> That's the way it's looking right now, so there's still hope...
>>
>> You mean you hold out hope some will return? I do too, in fact, I'd
>> almost count on it..
>
> I find it interesting that someone who is so critical of OEMs in racing
> (well, Japanese ones, anyway) and is so supportive of the organization
> that is driving them out, really wants them to stay

They'll stay, or won't be gone long because they need racing more than
racing needs them and for no other reason!
>
>>>>>> So, in your world it's okay to wish "grievous bodily harm" upon anyone
>>>>>> that disrupts your particular brand of entertainment?
>
>>> Tom, go back and look at all the times that you've thrown threats of
>>> physical violence my way just for what I've written and then repeat
>>> your self-righteous stand about people who "wish grievous bodily harm"
>>> on others.
>>
>> You just perceived them as threats, when in fact, they were more like
>> promises..
>
> Point proven - once again you are revealed as utterly disingenuous...

Oh no Bubba, if I say maybe, it's just that, maybe, but if I promise
you can bet your ass that I'm pretty much gonna do what I have to do to
make it happen, if that's disingenuous then I'm guilty..
>
>>>> Why? Because I told you damn near exactly how this was gonna play out
>>>> from the opening kickoff?
>>>
>>> I'm hardly limiting that to this particular subject. And on that claim,
>>> I think you should go back to mid-June of last year, under "Catalunya
>>> Spoiler", to see what I was predicting a series run out of Daytona
>>> would look like. And as for your claims, they've been amazingly general
>>> and hardly consistent. For instance, you've claimed at various times
>>> that all or some of the Japanese factories would knuckle under and cave
>>> to DMG's will, and we have yet to see any of them do that.
>>
>> Wanna bet that isn't coming?
>
> Oh, it's certainly possible. But how I interpret the OEMs giving DMG a
> bit of their own medicine over the last couple months (the reverse
> literbike jerkfest) is that they're in the process of setting up shop
> elsewhere. Yamaha seemed to be the weak link, but they haven't broken
> away yet.

They can jerk all they want, but I'd imagine DMG has moved on and
prolly won't even acknowledge their BS if they do..
>
>>> The one thing you've said that I'd absolutely agree with is that
>>> things would get worse before they get any better.
>>
>> I believe I said shakey, it's hard to get much worse than what we have
>> at present..
>
> And yet you continue to follow and watch. More disingenuousness?

It's called HOPE, catch some!!
>
>>>> Versus exhibition? BTW, today was a perfect example, Tommy and the Yosh
>>>> boxes are back, how thrilling!..
>>>
>>> Versus racing. It's not the series' fault that Suzuki has the best
>>> bikes and best riders, is it?
>>
>> When a series like the old PR let the OEM's come and go as they please,
>> why should we bother?
>
> Yeah, they should have treated them like they were "guests" at
> Guantanamo. At least DMG has shown us the way, with the OEMs going as
> they please, but no more coming, of course...

And you know this how?
>
>>> Or that Hodgson and Hacking crashed? That Tommy finished 30 seconds
>>> behind Mladin says it's hardly all about the bikes. Would you suggest
>>> that the AMA step in a legislate against the Suzukis, sticking them
>>> with extra weight or restrictors or something? Or just pick on Yosh and
>>> not the other Suzukis? Because that's what the DMG rules provide for,
>>> so you must be for it.
>>
>>> s week he still is, I'm fairly sure...
>>
>> Only to you it would appear, but that's cool, as that's your
>> prerogative, no matter how skewed that vision may be..
>
> ...so says another "racing is blood" advocate.

?
> And a Rossi-fag as well?

Rossi's sexual inclination's are his business, not mine and BTW, that's
another word I don't use..
>
>>>>> And a lot of other people, in that limited context.
>>>>
>>>> Who? Name names!
>>>
>>> Pretty much anyone who likes real racing and isn't sold on the AMA
>>> series being replaced with some Euro-American spec club championship.
>>
>> Real racing? You mean like today, or last year, or, well, never mind..
>
> But it was real racing when Rossi won 50+ races and five straight
> championships on Michelins specially made for him? Were you yelling for
> production GP racebikes back then? Spec tires? Dyno runs??

Now I have to explain the difference (to you) between a national series
and MGP?
>
>>> Don't tell me you haven't read anything about that? I know you've read
>>> some of the posts here.
>>
>> Sure, I read a lot of stuff, but a whole bunch of it's very narrow and
>> predisposed to the status
>> quo that got US racing in the mess it's in today..
>
> Yet more hollow generalizations...

That's the meat of the matter Mark, it's in no-way a generalization..
>
>> Nope, I just washed my garage floor.. (time to trade, the F'ing Yam's
>> startin' to leak!)
>
> Sure it's not one of those Harleys?

Nope, that puppy don't weep a drop, of course it's a one-off,
ground-up, hand built badass too. NO, it's the Yam and it's time I
found it a new home..
>
>>> And maybe you need to realize your view is hopelessly distorted by your
>>> Daytona-colored glasses.
>>
>> That's the real deal here isn't it? You hate the fact that US M/C
>> racing's finally comin' home, doncha'?
>
> Sliding back to the dark ages is more like it. Imagine if The Isle of
> Man bought Grand Prix from the FIM 35 years ago - what would GP be like
> today? Hmm...
>
>>>> Southern bowls? You mean DIS(TWICE!!), Homestead, R/A, Bamaham and VIR?
>>>> Versus what, 'Guna, Sears and Fontucky? Get real!! Hey, betcha Streets
>>>> of Willow is open! (heheh;-)

What, no clever retort?

>>>
>>> Once a cracker, always a cracker...
>>
>> If by that you mean a Florida Cracker, you betcha!
>
> Well, that, and perhaps also a butt-cracker. You know, what we in
> Wisconsin use to call fudge packers...

Given your handle is Buttbomb one might think you speak with some
authority on such matters, but no..
>
>>>>> Anyway, I just included that little bit to see if you'd pick it up and
>>>>> run with it, or if you'd actually stick to discussing the matter at
>>>>> hand.
>>>>
>>>> Like wishing someone you don't know Jack shit about would get hit by a
>>>> semi while on a trip across the country? Tell me, you want a cabover to
>>>> take him out, or are you wishing for a more conventional Mac type to do
>>>> the dirty work?
>>>
>>> Let me get back to you on that. Triple trailer would be good, though -
>>> thump, thump, thump...
>>
>> Now you're talkin,' you see, if you add some joviality, or for that
>> matter, even dark humor, a wildass statement such as that takes on a
>> different color and makes it "somewhat" easier to accept, but as it
>> was, it pretty much suk'd.
>
> Eh, my guess is Howard's not gonna be quite as generous...

Good guess..
>
> Anyway, I gotta start cleanin' this joint up, Lil
>> Red's comin' over tonight in what she says is an "exotic" outfit. Heh,
>> my luck that prolly means handcuffs, blindfold and a whip!
>
> Let me guess - you get the handcuffs and he wears the blindfold. Still
> workin' out the whip.
>
> Oh, sorry, I thought you said Big Red...

Nah, turns out she wore mesh stockings, FM pumps and a leather skirt,
pretty damn hot too!!

Re: It's over...

In article <K_KdnehTe6EfZDvVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@giganews,com >,
Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net > wrote:

> T3 wrote:
> > Mark N said:
> >
> >> "Edmondson is now embarking on a cross country motorcycle trip with
> >> one of his sons. They’ll ride a pair of Harley-Davidsons, a Road Glide
> >> and a Street Glide, arriving at next weekend’s Grand-Am race at
> >> Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California in time for a Friday meeting
> >> with the AMA road race promoters."
> >>
> >> Hopefully he'll meet up with a semi in a rather unpleasant manner
> >> along the way - keep a good thought...

Holy shit.

> > That you would wish someone harm and call it a "good thought" speaks
> > volumes of your mental health.
> > A new low indeed and you want folks to take you seriously?
> > Yeah, like that's gonna' happen...
>
> Oh, Please, Tom, spare my your righteous indignation. Countless people
> get hurt or die every day, and everyone does eventually. People wish
> grievous bodily harm on other people all the time (think Americans and
> Iraq), and in this country over "preserving our way of life". Well, Rog
> Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at least a small piece of it,
> part of how I choose to spend my free time, what I select as
> entertainment, enhancement to the quality of my life.

You can stop right there and learn to get some perspective. You really think that
your entertainment in any way compares to a war in which thousands die?

> Hell, if someone has to go
> down in the process of this world, why not him? Maybe that just makes me
> an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear over him.

That's fine but wishing it on someone is a little bit different, or is that
concept a little too hard to comprehend? Anyway, if you want to wish it it on him you
really ought to consider keeping it to yourself, ace.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Re: It's over...

Howard Kveck wrote:
> Mark N wrote:
>> T3 wrote:
>>> Mark N said:
>>>> "Edmondson is now embarking on a cross country motorcycle trip with
>>>> one of his sons. They’ll ride a pair of Harley-Davidsons, a Road Glide
>>>> and a Street Glide, arriving at next weekend’s Grand-Am race at
>>>> Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California in time for a Friday meeting
>>>> with the AMA road race promoters."
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully he'll meet up with a semi in a rather unpleasant manner
>>>> along the way - keep a good thought...
>
> Holy shit.
>
>>> That you would wish someone harm and call it a "good thought" speaks
>>> volumes of your mental health.
>>> A new low indeed and you want folks to take you seriously?
>>> Yeah, like that's gonna' happen...

>> Oh, Please, Tom, spare me your righteous indignation. Countless people
>> get hurt or die every day, and everyone does eventually. People wish
>> grievous bodily harm on other people all the time (think Americans and
>> Iraq), and in this country over "preserving our way of life". Well, Rog
>> Ed certainly threatens my way of life, at least a small piece of it,
>> part of how I choose to spend my free time, what I select as
>> entertainment, enhancement to the quality of my life.
>
> You can stop right there and learn to get some perspective. You really think that
> your entertainment in any way compares to a war in which thousands die?

Try to make the correct comparison, Howard. The comparison is between
what I said and people in this country who support and vote for
politicians who support the killing of thousands of people, including
fellow Americans, over oil or a Presidential family grudge or blind
"patriotism" or whatever the f*ck they think makes that war right. Now
which is the worse sin?

>> Hell, if someone has to go
>> down in the process of this world, why not him? Maybe that just makes me
>> an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear over him.
>
> That's fine but wishing it on someone is a little bit different, or is that
> concept a little too hard to comprehend? Anyway, if you want to wish it it on him you
> really ought to consider keeping it to yourself, ace.

As I said, I only threw that one down there as a tasty little morsel for
Tom to lick up. And I should apologize in general for laying that bait,
I suppose. But I have to say my first thought when I saw Tom's
predictable response was, "And how long will it be before that
self-righteous bicyclist Kvetch shows up with his bile to back him up?"
I guess I should apologize for that thought as well...

That's not to absolutely claim that the thought of Rog Ed as a grease
spot somewhere out on I-80 didn't bring just a bit of a smile to my
face... ;)

Oh, maybe I should apologize for that one, too?

Re: It's over...

In article <ofOdna0D7fOIxzrVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews,com >,
Mark N <menusbaum@NYETSPAMearthlink,net > wrote:

> Howard Kveck wrote:

> > You can stop right there and learn to get some perspective. You really
> > think that your entertainment in any way compares to a war in which
> thousands die?
>
> Try to make the correct comparison, Howard. The comparison is between
> what I said and people in this country who support and vote for
> politicians who support the killing of thousands of people, including
> fellow Americans, over oil or a Presidential family grudge or blind
> "patriotism" or whatever the f*ck they think makes that war right. Now
> which is the worse sin?

Nice try at dodging what you said. As usual. You're trying now to say that the war
is a terrible thing (which it is) and that absolves you for thinking twisted thoughts
about someone you think has possibly messed up you entertainment.

> >> Hell, if someone has to go
> >> down in the process of this world, why not him? Maybe that just makes me
> >> an unfeeling asshole, but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear over him.
> >
> > That's fine but wishing it on someone is a little bit different, or is
> > that concept a little too hard to comprehend? Anyway, if you want to wish it
> > on him you really ought to consider keeping it to yourself, ace.
>
> As I said, I only threw that one down there as a tasty little morsel for
> Tom to lick up. And I should apologize in general for laying that bait,
> I suppose. But I have to say my first thought when I saw Tom's
> predictable response was, "And how long will it be before that
> self-righteous bicyclist Kvetch shows up with his bile to back him up?"
> I guess I should apologize for that thought as well...

Goddamn, you're an asshole. By the way, dipshit, I'll fire this out one more time.
You think that you're being clever by trying to mock my name, at least get one that
is appropriate. "Kvetch" is defined as "to complain habitually." Now who does that
sound like, MarkyMark?

http :// www .merriam-webster,com /dictionary/kvetch

Furthermore, if you "threw that one down there as a tasty little morsel" then I
guess that makes you what we call a "troll." So I suggest that you never ever make
comments about Ozcar or anyone else being one. Oh, and you think *I* have bile? Holy
shit, you're so out to lunch it isn't funny. You obviously don't see your own posts
as a lot of others seem to.

> That's not to absolutely claim that the thought of Rog Ed as a grease
> spot somewhere out on I-80 didn't bring just a bit of a smile to my
> face... ;)
>
> Oh, maybe I should apologize for that one, too?

Get a shrink. Soon. I'm betting it'll all go back to all the times you got "picked
on" in school.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Re: It's over...

On 2008-08-16 20:57:11 -0400, Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb,com > said:

> Get a shrink. Soon. I'm betting it'll all go back to all the times
> you got "picked
> on" in school.

Nah, prolly a gray haired dude on a Harley...

Re: It's over...

Howard Kveck wrote:
> Mark N wrote:
>> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
>>> You can stop right there and learn to get some perspective. You really
>>> think that your entertainment in any way compares to a war in which
>> thousands die?
>>
>> Try to make the correct comparison, Howard. The comparison is between
>> what I said and people in this country who support and vote for
>> politicians who support the killing of thousands of people, including
>> fellow Americans, over oil or a Presidential family grudge or blind
>> "patriotism" or whatever the f*ck they think makes that war right. Now
>> which is the worse sin?
>
> Nice try at dodging what you said. As usual. You're trying now to say that the war
> is a terrible thing (which it is) and that absolves you for thinking twisted thoughts
> about someone you think has possibly messed up you entertainment.

Okay, one last attempt. I said, "People wish grievous bodily harm on
other people all the time (think Americans and Iraq), and in this
country over 'preserving our way of life'." What I was talking about
were people in this country who support that war and think we should be
harming or killing Iraqies. The difference there of course is that that
attitude actually makes it happen. Anything I say, seriously or
otherwise, isn't going to have anything to do with any harm that comes
or doesn't come to Edmondson.

>> As I said, I only threw that one down there as a tasty little morsel for
>> Tom to lick up. And I should apologize in general for laying that bait,
>> I suppose. But I have to say my first thought when I saw Tom's
>> predictable response was, "And how long will it be before that
>> self-righteous bicyclist Kvetch shows up with his bile to back him up?"
>> I guess I should apologize for that thought as well...
>
> Goddamn, you're an asshole.

Hey, I'm not the one who shows up occasionally only to throw shots at
someone else.

By the way, dipshit,

Hey, Howie, what happened to your name-calling judgmentalism?

> I'll fire this out one more time.
> You think that you're being clever by trying to mock my name, at least get one that
> is appropriate. "Kvetch" is defined as "to complain habitually." Now who does that
> sound like, MarkyMark?

Uh, you? You're always complaining about what I say.

> http :// www .merriam-webster,com /dictionary/kvetch
>
> Furthermore, if you "threw that one down there as a tasty little morsel" then I
> guess that makes you what we call a "troll." So I suggest that you never ever make
> comments about Ozcar or anyone else being one.

Once again your oh-so-selective judgment. Tom throws out bait all the
time and you say nothing, but I do, and then admit to it willingly and
apologize for it (well, sort of), and you compare it to Asscars? That's
right up there with your bigot accusations, and name-calling
accusations... Dipshit...

> Oh, and you think *I* have bile? Holy
> shit, you're so out to lunch it isn't funny. You obviously don't see your own posts
> as a lot of others seem to.

Yeah, I see them just as written...

>> That's not to absolutely claim that the thought of Rog Ed as a grease
>> spot somewhere out on I-80 didn't bring just a bit of a smile to my
>> face... ;)
>>
>> Oh, maybe I should apologize for that one, too?
>
> Get a shrink. Soon. I'm betting it'll all go back to all the times you got "picked
> on" in school.

Oh, Howard, you're concerned about me! You are such a humanitarian...