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Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
Hello,
I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
while I sit there and hold it open?
Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
Mike
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
Hello,
I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
while I sit there and hold it open?
Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
Mike
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
*******************************************
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:47:05 -0400, Mike W. <outofthe@emailbiz,com > wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
>scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
>been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
>
>question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
>taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
>my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
>while I sit there and hold it open?
>
>Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Mike
*****************************************
Mike,
Before dismantling the carbs, add a bunch (at least three times the
recommended amount) of Chemtool B-12 (the B-12 with the acetone, I
believe) in the tank of fresh fuel and ride it a bunch. This ought to
help with your problem. At least it is cheap, and won't hurt.
Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
Load the KZ up and come down here. I know of a lot of really fun
back highways to take up several days of fun. On top of that, while
you are here, I'll furnish you a dirt bike, and take you on some
delicious single track.
Bring your cones, and give me some instruction on the KZP. I think
I'd like that.
Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
Team LAGNAF
*******************************************
>On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:47:05 -0400, Mike W. <outofthe@emailbiz,com > wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
>scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
>been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
>
>question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
>taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
>my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
>while I sit there and hold it open?
>
>Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Mike
*****************************************
Mike,
Before dismantling the carbs, add a bunch (at least three times the
recommended amount) of Chemtool B-12 (the B-12 with the acetone, I
believe) in the tank of fresh fuel and ride it a bunch. This ought to
help with your problem. At least it is cheap, and won't hurt.
Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
Load the KZ up and come down here. I know of a lot of really fun
back highways to take up several days of fun. On top of that, while
you are here, I'll furnish you a dirt bike, and take you on some
delicious single track.
Bring your cones, and give me some instruction on the KZP. I think
I'd like that.
Wudsracer/Jim Cook
Smackover Racing
'06 Gas Gas DE300
'82 Husqvarna XC250
Team LAGNAF
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:22:25 -0500, Wudsracer
<dirtbike_smackoverRemove@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>Mike,
> Before dismantling the carbs, add a bunch (at least three times the
>recommended amount) of Chemtool B-12 (the B-12 with the acetone, I
>believe) in the tank of fresh fuel and ride it a bunch. This ought to
>help with your problem. At least it is cheap, and won't hurt.
>
> Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
>in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
>far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
JIM! Damn nice to hear from you! I got it cleared... poured some techron in
the tank and ran it for 15-20 min winding it out every now and then while
parked. Then I pulled into the street and wound it out hard up to 5th...
closed the throttle and started doing dirtbike downshifts, shocking the
idle circuit. Same deal going home... idled perfectly.
>
> Load the KZ up and come down here. I know of a lot of really fun
>back highways to take up several days of fun. On top of that, while
>you are here, I'll furnish you a dirt bike, and take you on some
>delicious single track.
You have no idea how much I'd like that. I hate my job like I can't tell
you. Tues I was in the damn chair for 19 hours with no breaks. I'll get
down there some time. It's really high on my list. I saw a reference
someplace that Smackover (comes from "Sumac cover":) has a newspaper. Say
high to Maybelle for me a fuss a little. You know how she likes that:)
>
> Bring your cones, and give me some instruction on the KZP. I think
>I'd like that.
I'd be pleased too. But let's see if I stay with this. I have a mental
log-crossing I have to clear before I start that back up. We'll see.
Supposed to make instructor level this summer so I won't let it go without
a fight:)
Mike
>
>
> Wudsracer/Jim Cook
> Smackover Racing
> '06 Gas Gas DE300
> '82 Husqvarna XC250
> Team LAGNAF
>
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:22:25 -0500, Wudsracer
<dirtbike_smackoverRemove@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
>Mike,
> Before dismantling the carbs, add a bunch (at least three times the
>recommended amount) of Chemtool B-12 (the B-12 with the acetone, I
>believe) in the tank of fresh fuel and ride it a bunch. This ought to
>help with your problem. At least it is cheap, and won't hurt.
>
> Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
>in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
>far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
JIM! Damn nice to hear from you! I got it cleared... poured some techron in
the tank and ran it for 15-20 min winding it out every now and then while
parked. Then I pulled into the street and wound it out hard up to 5th...
closed the throttle and started doing dirtbike downshifts, shocking the
idle circuit. Same deal going home... idled perfectly.
>
> Load the KZ up and come down here. I know of a lot of really fun
>back highways to take up several days of fun. On top of that, while
>you are here, I'll furnish you a dirt bike, and take you on some
>delicious single track.
You have no idea how much I'd like that. I hate my job like I can't tell
you. Tues I was in the damn chair for 19 hours with no breaks. I'll get
down there some time. It's really high on my list. I saw a reference
someplace that Smackover (comes from "Sumac cover":) has a newspaper. Say
high to Maybelle for me a fuss a little. You know how she likes that:)
>
> Bring your cones, and give me some instruction on the KZP. I think
>I'd like that.
I'd be pleased too. But let's see if I stay with this. I have a mental
log-crossing I have to clear before I start that back up. We'll see.
Supposed to make instructor level this summer so I won't let it go without
a fight:)
Mike
>
>
> Wudsracer/Jim Cook
> Smackover Racing
> '06 Gas Gas DE300
> '82 Husqvarna XC250
> Team LAGNAF
>
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Wudsracer <dirtbike smackoverRem...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
> in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
> far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
Berryman B9 carb dip is some nasty brown shit that smells like it came
out of a Porta-Potty.
It contains cresylic acid, and it would be good for cleaning up
suspension parts off of an old 1972 Torino that had set out
in the weeds for 30 years after being driven for 250,000 miles.
But I wouldn't use B9 on any motorcycle part, it's just the wrong
stuff.
On Mar 27, 10:22 am, Wudsracer <dirtbike smackoverRem...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> Then, if needed, you can always take em off and soak the carb bodies
> in Berryman carb dip. Call me for any specific tips if it goes that
> far. (although you have probably read my methods before, on rmd.)
Berryman B9 carb dip is some nasty brown shit that smells like it came
out of a Porta-Potty.
It contains cresylic acid, and it would be good for cleaning up
suspension parts off of an old 1972 Torino that had set out
in the weeds for 30 years after being driven for 250,000 miles.
But I wouldn't use B9 on any motorcycle part, it's just the wrong
stuff.
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
On Mar 27, 9:47 am, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz,com > wrote:
> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
> while I sit there and hold it open?
You might try adding 4 or 5 ounces of Berryman B12 Choke and
Carburetor Cleaner to a full tank of gasoline and riding until the
carbs clean themselves out. GumOut or STP carb cleaners will work too,
but the reason I like B12 is you can get it in the non-aerosol can and
measure it precisely without spraying it out of the cup you're going
to pour into the gas tank.
B12 contains stuff like MEK and acetone and toluene, so keep it off
your paint.
It takes a while for carb cleaners to attack plastic and rubber parts
and I have found that rubber parts soften and swell up, but return to
their original sizes as the carb cleaner evaporates.
More severe port and jet clogging requires at least some disassembly.
As I recall, there were two type of idle mixture screws used on
KZ1000's with slide type carbs, and one type has the idle mixture
screw coming in from the side, while the other has the idle screw
coming up from below.
If you screw the idle mixture screw all the way in before removing it,
you can write down the number of turns so you can get back to the
original settings after removing the screws and spraying carb cleaner
into the hole to clean out the idle
port.
Also, find the pilot air screw and squirt carb cleaner through that
jet to clean out the idle mixture circuit.
On Mar 27, 9:47 am, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz,com > wrote:
> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
> while I sit there and hold it open?
You might try adding 4 or 5 ounces of Berryman B12 Choke and
Carburetor Cleaner to a full tank of gasoline and riding until the
carbs clean themselves out. GumOut or STP carb cleaners will work too,
but the reason I like B12 is you can get it in the non-aerosol can and
measure it precisely without spraying it out of the cup you're going
to pour into the gas tank.
B12 contains stuff like MEK and acetone and toluene, so keep it off
your paint.
It takes a while for carb cleaners to attack plastic and rubber parts
and I have found that rubber parts soften and swell up, but return to
their original sizes as the carb cleaner evaporates.
More severe port and jet clogging requires at least some disassembly.
As I recall, there were two type of idle mixture screws used on
KZ1000's with slide type carbs, and one type has the idle mixture
screw coming in from the side, while the other has the idle screw
coming up from below.
If you screw the idle mixture screw all the way in before removing it,
you can write down the number of turns so you can get back to the
original settings after removing the screws and spraying carb cleaner
into the hole to clean out the idle
port.
Also, find the pilot air screw and squirt carb cleaner through that
jet to clean out the idle mixture circuit.
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT), "." <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Mar 27, 9:47 am, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz,com > wrote:
>
>> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
>> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
>> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
>> while I sit there and hold it open?
>
>You might try adding 4 or 5 ounces of Berryman B12 Choke and
>Carburetor Cleaner to a full tank of gasoline and riding until the
>carbs clean themselves out. GumOut or STP carb cleaners will work too,
>but the reason I like B12 is you can get it in the non-aerosol can and
>measure it precisely without spraying it out of the cup you're going
>to pour into the gas tank.
>
>B12 contains stuff like MEK and acetone and toluene, so keep it off
>your paint.
>
>It takes a while for carb cleaners to attack plastic and rubber parts
>and I have found that rubber parts soften and swell up, but return to
>their original sizes as the carb cleaner evaporates.
>
>More severe port and jet clogging requires at least some disassembly.
>
>As I recall, there were two type of idle mixture screws used on
>KZ1000's with slide type carbs, and one type has the idle mixture
>screw coming in from the side, while the other has the idle screw
>coming up from below.
>
>If you screw the idle mixture screw all the way in before removing it,
>you can write down the number of turns so you can get back to the
>original settings after removing the screws and spraying carb cleaner
>into the hole to clean out the idle
>port.
>
>Also, find the pilot air screw and squirt carb cleaner through that
>jet to clean out the idle mixture circuit.
Great suggestions. Many thanks... saved for the next time the problem is a
bit more stubborn.
Mike
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT), "." <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
>On Mar 27, 9:47 am, Mike W. <outof...@emailbiz,com > wrote:
>
>> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
>> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
>> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
>> while I sit there and hold it open?
>
>You might try adding 4 or 5 ounces of Berryman B12 Choke and
>Carburetor Cleaner to a full tank of gasoline and riding until the
>carbs clean themselves out. GumOut or STP carb cleaners will work too,
>but the reason I like B12 is you can get it in the non-aerosol can and
>measure it precisely without spraying it out of the cup you're going
>to pour into the gas tank.
>
>B12 contains stuff like MEK and acetone and toluene, so keep it off
>your paint.
>
>It takes a while for carb cleaners to attack plastic and rubber parts
>and I have found that rubber parts soften and swell up, but return to
>their original sizes as the carb cleaner evaporates.
>
>More severe port and jet clogging requires at least some disassembly.
>
>As I recall, there were two type of idle mixture screws used on
>KZ1000's with slide type carbs, and one type has the idle mixture
>screw coming in from the side, while the other has the idle screw
>coming up from below.
>
>If you screw the idle mixture screw all the way in before removing it,
>you can write down the number of turns so you can get back to the
>original settings after removing the screws and spraying carb cleaner
>into the hole to clean out the idle
>port.
>
>Also, find the pilot air screw and squirt carb cleaner through that
>jet to clean out the idle mixture circuit.
Great suggestions. Many thanks... saved for the next time the problem is a
bit more stubborn.
Mike
--
Mike W.
96 XR400
99 KZ1000P
70 CT70
71 KG 100 (Hodaka-powered)
Re: Clearing out an idle circuit the lazy way
"Mike W." <outofthe@emailbiz,com > wrote in message
news:pljnu398j7a9hvn63f2ccg2skejili9ork@4ax,com ...
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
> scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
> been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
>
> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
> while I sit there and hold it open?
>
> Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>
Try dumping a couple of ounces of lacquer thinner into the tank and sloshing
it around. It's both highly flammable and will dissolve any crud in the
system. (I've used this method to start up and run bikes that had wintered
with un-stabilized gasoline in the tanks.)
"Mike W." <outofthe@emailbiz,com > wrote in message
news:pljnu398j7a9hvn63f2ccg2skejili9ork@4ax,com ...
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a couple of 99 KZ1000P cop bikes that until this winter I was
> scrupulous about maintaining. In one of them, I left no gas that had not
> been fuel stabilized. It started right up last night but wont idle.
>
> question... Can I fix this chemically? There is NOTHIGN I hate more than
> taking the carbs off these things. Will carb cleaner screw up things like
> my float valve seals? Is there some fuel treatment that'll get it done
> while I sit there and hold it open?
>
> Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>
Try dumping a couple of ounces of lacquer thinner into the tank and sloshing
it around. It's both highly flammable and will dissolve any crud in the
system. (I've used this method to start up and run bikes that had wintered
with un-stabilized gasoline in the tanks.)
