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Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
Jack Hunt wrote:
...
> One has to wonder why he never made a peep about it when he was running for
> President, or for the whole 8 years he was VP.
>
> You should know that Gore was my state senator for the whole time he was in the
> Senate. He never said a word about Global Warming (which is now Global Climate
> Change, just in case it cools off) until GWB kicked his ass in the election. And
> then it wasn't immediate. It took him a while to find a cause du jour to
> champion.
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
You spew crap, Jack.
Jack Hunt wrote:
...
> One has to wonder why he never made a peep about it when he was running for
> President, or for the whole 8 years he was VP.
>
> You should know that Gore was my state senator for the whole time he was in the
> Senate. He never said a word about Global Warming (which is now Global Climate
> Change, just in case it cools off) until GWB kicked his ass in the election. And
> then it wasn't immediate. It took him a while to find a cause du jour to
> champion.
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
You spew crap, Jack.
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:28:13 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
>
>Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
I'll wait until you provide a reputable source. Surely you know that he could
have written that himself.
Even then I probably won't read your source. I've been watching Mr. Gore for
probably longer than you've been alive, since he got back from playing
soldier/reporter/pothead. He still hasn't done anything to impress me.
--
Jack
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:28:13 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
>
>Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
I'll wait until you provide a reputable source. Surely you know that he could
have written that himself.
Even then I probably won't read your source. I've been watching Mr. Gore for
probably longer than you've been alive, since he got back from playing
soldier/reporter/pothead. He still hasn't done anything to impress me.
--
Jack
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
Jack Hunt wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:28:13 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
>>
>>Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
>
>
> I'll wait until you provide a reputable source. Surely you know that he could
> have written that himself.
I'm afraid there are no reputable sources. Because Al not only invented
the internet, you know, he wrote all of it.
Jack Hunt wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:28:13 -0800, Beryl <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>> http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
>>
>>Scroll down, find the little section titled *Environmental issues*
>
>
> I'll wait until you provide a reputable source. Surely you know that he could
> have written that himself.
I'm afraid there are no reputable sources. Because Al not only invented
the internet, you know, he wrote all of it.
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Feb 11, 12:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
> reaches the saturation point?
Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
On Feb 11, 12:20=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
> reaches the saturation point?
Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:20?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
>>reaches the saturation point?
>
>
> Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
I dunno. Coral want colder water, the heat kills them, no?
I was thinking along the lines of sugar dissolving in a glass of water.
Stir in more, and more, and more, and all of a sudden it sinks to the
bottom of the glass and won't dissolve any more. Well it will, but
molecules precipitate right back out as fast as they go in.
. wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:20?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
>>reaches the saturation point?
>
>
> Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
I dunno. Coral want colder water, the heat kills them, no?
I was thinking along the lines of sugar dissolving in a glass of water.
Stir in more, and more, and more, and all of a sudden it sinks to the
bottom of the glass and won't dissolve any more. Well it will, but
molecules precipitate right back out as fast as they go in.
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:20?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
>>reaches the saturation point?
>
>
> Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
Google News tonight led me to these. You mismatched cause & effect, but
the two problems are related.
"Coral bleaching occurs when warming waters cause corals to expel the
colorful algae that sustain them. The corals turn a ghostly white and
die in a few days unless temperatures cool down and the algae return."
http :// news.nationalgeographic,com /news/2008/02/080208-oceans-warming.html
"Also, carbon dioxide dissolves into ocean waters, turning them more
acidic, which makes it harder for corals, shellfish, and other animals
to grow their protective skeletons or shells."
http :// news.nationalgeographic,com /news/2008/02/080214-oceans_2.html
. wrote:
> On Feb 11, 12:20?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>The oceans are a big carbon buffer. What suddenly happens when a solvent
>>reaches the saturation point?
>
>
> Coral reefs expel their algae and die?
Google News tonight led me to these. You mismatched cause & effect, but
the two problems are related.
"Coral bleaching occurs when warming waters cause corals to expel the
colorful algae that sustain them. The corals turn a ghostly white and
die in a few days unless temperatures cool down and the algae return."
http :// news.nationalgeographic,com /news/2008/02/080208-oceans-warming.html
"Also, carbon dioxide dissolves into ocean waters, turning them more
acidic, which makes it harder for corals, shellfish, and other animals
to grow their protective skeletons or shells."
http :// news.nationalgeographic,com /news/2008/02/080214-oceans_2.html
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Feb 10, 4:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
> valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
> because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
> is parched.
Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
less than 10 inches of rain a year.
You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
heat.
Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
to haul away the dead calves.
On Feb 10, 4:37=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
> valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
> because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
> is parched.
Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
less than 10 inches of rain a year.
You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
heat.
Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
to haul away the dead calves.
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:37?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
>>valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
>>because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
>>is parched.
>
>
> Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
> less than 10 inches of rain a year.
>
> You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
> that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
> they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
> heat.
>
> Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
> driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
> to haul away the dead calves.
I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
or something like that. Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
from happy cows" LOL!
. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:37?pm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
>
>
>>They were widely dispersed across plains, not densely packed in a
>>valley. And San Joaquin's cows probably don't eat much natural grass,
>>because there isn't any. Aside from the irrigated crop rows, that place
>>is parched.
>
>
> Technically, this part of the San Joaquin valley is a desert, with
> less than 10 inches of rain a year.
>
> You get the impression from the California dairy council's commercials
> that the cows live in heavenly green pastures, but the truth is that
> they live under cow sheds to avoid dying in the 110 degree summer
> heat.
>
> Sometimes there are showers running to cool them off, but I remember
> driving by a neighboring dairy and wondering when the owner was going
> to haul away the dead calves.
I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
or something like that. Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
from happy cows" LOL!
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Feb 10, 7:40=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
> or something like that.
Well, it's a great place for irrigated agriculture. Texans who passed
through the area on the way to the gold fields in 1849 noticed how
good the soil was and returned to farm it. With good soil and Sierra
Nevada snowmelt, farmers can harvest two crops a year. They even grow
pecans in flooded fields around here.
> Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
> baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
> stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
> from happy cows" LOL!-
Merle Haggard wrote a 1942 song about picking cotton in the "Tulare
Dust", and also swore he'd never swim in the Kern river again.
But the biggest indictment I have ever read about the area is the
final chapter of John Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Unlike the movie
version, the Joads did not "keep on, keeping on."
Tom Joad left the family to watch over the labor movement in spirit
only before Pa Joad was shot as a chicken thief. Rose O' Sharon's baby
was born dead in the box car near Pixley and they put it into a wooden
box to float through the streets of Delano to "wake up the city folks"
to the plight of the Okies.
Kern county businessmen heartily condemned Steinbeck's stories and his
books were burned in front of the libraries.
But, if you stop for gasoline at the Shell station in Pixley, you'll
see the local girls from the trailer park hanging around hoping to
date a passing trucker...
Eleanor Roosevelt visited the San Joaquin valley during the Great
Depression to see if what Steinbeck had to say about the Hoovervilles
was true.
It was all true, and the cities are still working to get the homeless
people out from under the bridges 60 years later.
On Feb 10, 7:40=EF=BF=BDpm, Beryl <flyingterra...@chillybits.org> wrote:
> I believe it was you who once described the valley as "wonderfully warm"
> or something like that.
Well, it's a great place for irrigated agriculture. Texans who passed
through the area on the way to the gold fields in 1849 noticed how
good the soil was and returned to farm it. With good soil and Sierra
Nevada snowmelt, farmers can harvest two crops a year. They even grow
pecans in flooded fields around here.
> Blistering heat is what I recall, and miles of
> baking cattle, shoulder-to-shoulder, stretching to the horizon. The
> stench was overwhelming. What a hellhole place. But "great cheese comes
> from happy cows" LOL!-
Merle Haggard wrote a 1942 song about picking cotton in the "Tulare
Dust", and also swore he'd never swim in the Kern river again.
But the biggest indictment I have ever read about the area is the
final chapter of John Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath". Unlike the movie
version, the Joads did not "keep on, keeping on."
Tom Joad left the family to watch over the labor movement in spirit
only before Pa Joad was shot as a chicken thief. Rose O' Sharon's baby
was born dead in the box car near Pixley and they put it into a wooden
box to float through the streets of Delano to "wake up the city folks"
to the plight of the Okies.
Kern county businessmen heartily condemned Steinbeck's stories and his
books were burned in front of the libraries.
But, if you stop for gasoline at the Shell station in Pixley, you'll
see the local girls from the trailer park hanging around hoping to
date a passing trucker...
Eleanor Roosevelt visited the San Joaquin valley during the Great
Depression to see if what Steinbeck had to say about the Hoovervilles
was true.
It was all true, and the cities are still working to get the homeless
people out from under the bridges 60 years later.
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> Perhaps cows can be fitted with large rubber bags to recycle volatile
> gasses. Or maybe engineers can figure out how to fit each cow with an
> afterburner device to consume the fumes.
>
Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
Thank you!
bob prohaska
. <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> Perhaps cows can be fitted with large rubber bags to recycle volatile
> gasses. Or maybe engineers can figure out how to fit each cow with an
> afterburner device to consume the fumes.
>
Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
Thank you!
bob prohaska
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Feb 10, 8:01=EF=BF=BDpm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b...@www .zefox.ne=
t>
wrote:
> Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
> with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>
> Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...
http :// daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow
On Feb 10, 8:01=EF=BF=BDpm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b...@www .zefox.ne=
t>
wrote:
> Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
> with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>
> Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...
http :// daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:01?pm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b...@www .zefox,net >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
>>with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>>
>>Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
>
>
> Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...
>
> http :// daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow
>
>
Brings back memories. Everything was in place elsewhere: [operation,
cannulas, that kind of stuff] but I think our group help set up the
Davis large animal version back in the 80s. The real work was done by
??? Dr. Desmond Baggat ??? with some grad students and we threw money at
them so we could test our systems in situ.
Those cows were the sweetest things! I was used to beef cattle so I
showed up with cattle prod and a 'tude. Took a few times for me to get
to know them but the cows turned out to be like 2,000 lb puppy dogs.
Rick
. wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:01?pm, bob prohaska's usenet account <b...@www .zefox,net >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Please forgive my mirth, but I work at UC Davis and the notion of cows
>>with afterburners is absolutely hilarious.
>>
>>Somehow, though, I rather doubt the cows would like it 8-)
>
>
> Fistulate 'em, if they can't take a joke...
>
> http :// daviswiki.org/Fistulated_Cow
>
>
Brings back memories. Everything was in place elsewhere: [operation,
cannulas, that kind of stuff] but I think our group help set up the
Davis large animal version back in the 80s. The real work was done by
??? Dr. Desmond Baggat ??? with some grad students and we threw money at
them so we could test our systems in situ.
Those cows were the sweetest things! I was used to beef cattle so I
showed up with cattle prod and a 'tude. Took a few times for me to get
to know them but the cows turned out to be like 2,000 lb puppy dogs.
Rick
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Date: 11 Feb 2008, 15:55
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Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
. <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
> Manufacturers of diesel passenger cars will have to prove to ordinary
> middle class consumers that their offerings are not the pokey, smokey
> objects of yesteryear, collected and driven only by kooks.
They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.
--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
. <RhiannonX@gmail,com > wrote:
> Manufacturers of diesel passenger cars will have to prove to ordinary
> middle class consumers that their offerings are not the pokey, smokey
> objects of yesteryear, collected and driven only by kooks.
They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F & SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
Re: Euro diesel reaches the US
On Feb 10, 11:24=EF=BF=BDpm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
> telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
> earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.
You need to look at the Big Picture instead of from your existential
pleasure seeking weltanschuung.
Geological landforms like tectonic plates and mountain ranges and
ocean currents and prevailing wind and rain patterns lock air
pollution into the southern half of the San Joaquin valley, which is a
huge agricultural area 800 miles long and 200 miles wide.
Farmers can only grow crops in about half that area, it's too dry on
the west side of the valley for anything except cotton. Even the
Salinas valley has its microclimates where some crops will grow and
others won't and the Santa Lucia mountains block the rain from falling
in the valley and the Salinas river sinks into the sand in futility.
Farmers farm and use diesel farm machinery and truckers truck and
diesel mechanics repair diesel trucks and diesel farm machinery and
any land along Highway 99 that doesn't have crops or cows or houses on
it looks like a huge junk yard with rows of rusting machinery waiting
to be fixed.
Or it looks like an endless RV, boat, and manufactured home sales
yard...
It will take decades to see a change in air quality from use of ultra
low sulphur diesel fuel, if it isn't already too late.
The San Joaquin valley has changed from having a navigable 100 square
mile lake in the middle to having a huge desert in the middle. This
has happened in only 150 years as forests were cleared and Sierra
creeks diverted into farmers' irrigation ditches.
We have had two or three devastating dust bowl droughts here since the
1880's. John Steinbeck, who wrote extensively about the problems of
farmers in California, discussed the deadly droughts in "To a God
Unknown". http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_a_God_Unknown
The San Joaquin river has gone dry and California wants to restore it
so salmon can swim from the San Francisco bya to Kings county.
The Kern river flows down off Mount Whitney, and is absorbed into
desert sands in a huge selenium-polluted basin in Kern county. The
small oil town of Taft looks like it belongs in southern New Mexico.
The Kaweah river and Kings river drain down out of Sequoia and Kings
Canyon, and the water disappears into the ground long before it ever
reaches the middle of the valley.
The 400 square mile oak and sycamore forest in the Kaweah delta has
disappeared, there are only a few isolated groves of valley oaks left.
A few yuppies buying high performance diesel sedans and sportscars are
not going to have a huge immediate effect upon California air quality.
The diesel truck fleet is not expected to be fully replaced until
2030, and air pollution standards for diesel cars have been only
slightly relaxed for 2007 through 2009 models to make an opening for
more affordable small Japanese diesel sedans.
With all the movie stars buying hybrid electric cars, it's going to
take some major celebrities buying clean diesel sedans and bragging
that they are non-polluting to get *other* trendy celebrities to buy
clean diesel sedans, and if the clean diesel sedans don't cost $90K
trendy celebrities won't feel the need to keep up with each other,
they will buy something that proves they are rich.
As I said above, any major change in air quality is going to happen
because of ultra low sulfur diesel compliant heavy trucks, farm
machinery, railroad locomotives, electric power generating diesels and
marine engines, it won't happen because a few yuppies are buying
prestigious diesel sedans.
On Feb 10, 11:24=EF=BF=BDpm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> They've done that. Your last pronouncement on the subject involved
> telling the world that Europe used diesels because it didn't have
> earthquakes. Do pull your head up from wherever you've stuffed it.
You need to look at the Big Picture instead of from your existential
pleasure seeking weltanschuung.
Geological landforms like tectonic plates and mountain ranges and
ocean currents and prevailing wind and rain patterns lock air
pollution into the southern half of the San Joaquin valley, which is a
huge agricultural area 800 miles long and 200 miles wide.
Farmers can only grow crops in about half that area, it's too dry on
the west side of the valley for anything except cotton. Even the
Salinas valley has its microclimates where some crops will grow and
others won't and the Santa Lucia mountains block the rain from falling
in the valley and the Salinas river sinks into the sand in futility.
Farmers farm and use diesel farm machinery and truckers truck and
diesel mechanics repair diesel trucks and diesel farm machinery and
any land along Highway 99 that doesn't have crops or cows or houses on
it looks like a huge junk yard with rows of rusting machinery waiting
to be fixed.
Or it looks like an endless RV, boat, and manufactured home sales
yard...
It will take decades to see a change in air quality from use of ultra
low sulphur diesel fuel, if it isn't already too late.
The San Joaquin valley has changed from having a navigable 100 square
mile lake in the middle to having a huge desert in the middle. This
has happened in only 150 years as forests were cleared and Sierra
creeks diverted into farmers' irrigation ditches.
We have had two or three devastating dust bowl droughts here since the
1880's. John Steinbeck, who wrote extensively about the problems of
farmers in California, discussed the deadly droughts in "To a God
Unknown". http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_a_God_Unknown
The San Joaquin river has gone dry and California wants to restore it
so salmon can swim from the San Francisco bya to Kings county.
The Kern river flows down off Mount Whitney, and is absorbed into
desert sands in a huge selenium-polluted basin in Kern county. The
small oil town of Taft looks like it belongs in southern New Mexico.
The Kaweah river and Kings river drain down out of Sequoia and Kings
Canyon, and the water disappears into the ground long before it ever
reaches the middle of the valley.
The 400 square mile oak and sycamore forest in the Kaweah delta has
disappeared, there are only a few isolated groves of valley oaks left.
A few yuppies buying high performance diesel sedans and sportscars are
not going to have a huge immediate effect upon California air quality.
The diesel truck fleet is not expected to be fully replaced until
2030, and air pollution standards for diesel cars have been only
slightly relaxed for 2007 through 2009 models to make an opening for
more affordable small Japanese diesel sedans.
With all the movie stars buying hybrid electric cars, it's going to
take some major celebrities buying clean diesel sedans and bragging
that they are non-polluting to get *other* trendy celebrities to buy
clean diesel sedans, and if the clean diesel sedans don't cost $90K
trendy celebrities won't feel the need to keep up with each other,
they will buy something that proves they are rich.
As I said above, any major change in air quality is going to happen
because of ultra low sulfur diesel compliant heavy trucks, farm
machinery, railroad locomotives, electric power generating diesels and
marine engines, it won't happen because a few yuppies are buying
prestigious diesel sedans.
