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Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
This works first time every time
Bill
"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
news:efdot3p4i3k0j5c62klrpqbv19uvtm9h67@4ax,com ...
> March 15, 2008, from Lloyd Erlick,
>
> I use Jobo 1501 plastic developing reels that
> adjust to accept either 35 mm or 120 format
> film. I find the problem you describe occurs
> with both, but mostly 120. I think it is
> caused by the leading corners of the film
> binding against the spokes or ribs that make
> up the structure of the reel. The sharp
> pointy corners at the leading edge of the
> film strip are the culprit, I think.
>
> I have found the (more-or-less) fix for it. I
> use a variant of the corner-snip -- I fold
> the leading corners of the film just before I
> feed it into the opening of the spiral groove
> (this way we remain groovy even in the
> digital era ...).
>
> The 'amount' of film folded up is the
> smallest possible to grasp with my bare
> fingers. ('Up' meaning the folded corner
> points away from the centre of the reel, or
> away from the emulsion side of the film.) I
> try to create a little equilateral triangle
> at each leading corner. I squash it flat, but
> do not expect it to stay there. However, it
> slopes 'backwards' (towards the hand)
> slightly, and that is enough to permit it to
> slip nicely under the 'top' of the groove.
> There is discernable resistance when the fold
> goes into the spiral, but it is only slight.
>
> Since adopting this procedure, I've had close
> to zero snags while loading film.
>
> Making the small folds is quick and easy in
> the dark, since the film is right there in
> the hands. I don't know if the snipped corner
> method works as well or better. I hate the
> fumble in the dark of finding the small tip
> of the corner with a pair of nail clippers.
> I'm also not thrilled to fantasize about
> where those little corner snippings have got
> to. I worry about Murphy ...
>
> regards,
> --le
> ________________________________
> Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
> website: www .heylloyd,com
> telephone: 416-686-0326
> email: portrait@heylloyd,com
> ________________________________
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:32:37 +0100,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>
>>And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>
>>Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>
>>Thanks!
>
This works first time every time
Bill
"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
news:efdot3p4i3k0j5c62klrpqbv19uvtm9h67@4ax,com ...
> March 15, 2008, from Lloyd Erlick,
>
> I use Jobo 1501 plastic developing reels that
> adjust to accept either 35 mm or 120 format
> film. I find the problem you describe occurs
> with both, but mostly 120. I think it is
> caused by the leading corners of the film
> binding against the spokes or ribs that make
> up the structure of the reel. The sharp
> pointy corners at the leading edge of the
> film strip are the culprit, I think.
>
> I have found the (more-or-less) fix for it. I
> use a variant of the corner-snip -- I fold
> the leading corners of the film just before I
> feed it into the opening of the spiral groove
> (this way we remain groovy even in the
> digital era ...).
>
> The 'amount' of film folded up is the
> smallest possible to grasp with my bare
> fingers. ('Up' meaning the folded corner
> points away from the centre of the reel, or
> away from the emulsion side of the film.) I
> try to create a little equilateral triangle
> at each leading corner. I squash it flat, but
> do not expect it to stay there. However, it
> slopes 'backwards' (towards the hand)
> slightly, and that is enough to permit it to
> slip nicely under the 'top' of the groove.
> There is discernable resistance when the fold
> goes into the spiral, but it is only slight.
>
> Since adopting this procedure, I've had close
> to zero snags while loading film.
>
> Making the small folds is quick and easy in
> the dark, since the film is right there in
> the hands. I don't know if the snipped corner
> method works as well or better. I hate the
> fumble in the dark of finding the small tip
> of the corner with a pair of nail clippers.
> I'm also not thrilled to fantasize about
> where those little corner snippings have got
> to. I worry about Murphy ...
>
> regards,
> --le
> ________________________________
> Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
> website: www .heylloyd,com
> telephone: 416-686-0326
> email: portrait@heylloyd,com
> ________________________________
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:32:37 +0100,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>
>>And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>
>>Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>
>>Thanks!
>
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
news:efdot3p4i3k0j5c62klrpqbv19uvtm9h67@4ax,com ...
> March 15, 2008, from Lloyd Erlick,
>
> I use Jobo 1501 plastic developing reels that
> adjust to accept either 35 mm or 120 format
> film. I find the problem you describe occurs
> with both, but mostly 120. I think it is
> caused by the leading corners of the film
> binding against the spokes or ribs that make
> up the structure of the reel. The sharp
> pointy corners at the leading edge of the
> film strip are the culprit, I think.
>
> I have found the (more-or-less) fix for it. I
> use a variant of the corner-snip -- I fold
> the leading corners of the film just before I
> feed it into the opening of the spiral groove
> (this way we remain groovy even in the
> digital era ...).
>
> The 'amount' of film folded up is the
> smallest possible to grasp with my bare
> fingers. ('Up' meaning the folded corner
> points away from the centre of the reel, or
> away from the emulsion side of the film.) I
> try to create a little equilateral triangle
> at each leading corner. I squash it flat, but
> do not expect it to stay there. However, it
> slopes 'backwards' (towards the hand)
> slightly, and that is enough to permit it to
> slip nicely under the 'top' of the groove.
> There is discernable resistance when the fold
> goes into the spiral, but it is only slight.
>
> Since adopting this procedure, I've had close
> to zero snags while loading film.
>
> Making the small folds is quick and easy in
> the dark, since the film is right there in
> the hands. I don't know if the snipped corner
> method works as well or better. I hate the
> fumble in the dark of finding the small tip
> of the corner with a pair of nail clippers.
> I'm also not thrilled to fantasize about
> where those little corner snippings have got
> to. I worry about Murphy ...
>
> regards,
> --le
> ________________________________
> Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
> website: www .heylloyd,com
> telephone: 416-686-0326
> email: portrait@heylloyd,com
> ________________________________
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:32:37 +0100,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>
>>And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>
>>Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>
>>Thanks!
>
This will work ... First time every time
Bill
"Lloyd Erlick" <Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com> wrote in message
news:efdot3p4i3k0j5c62klrpqbv19uvtm9h67@4ax,com ...
> March 15, 2008, from Lloyd Erlick,
>
> I use Jobo 1501 plastic developing reels that
> adjust to accept either 35 mm or 120 format
> film. I find the problem you describe occurs
> with both, but mostly 120. I think it is
> caused by the leading corners of the film
> binding against the spokes or ribs that make
> up the structure of the reel. The sharp
> pointy corners at the leading edge of the
> film strip are the culprit, I think.
>
> I have found the (more-or-less) fix for it. I
> use a variant of the corner-snip -- I fold
> the leading corners of the film just before I
> feed it into the opening of the spiral groove
> (this way we remain groovy even in the
> digital era ...).
>
> The 'amount' of film folded up is the
> smallest possible to grasp with my bare
> fingers. ('Up' meaning the folded corner
> points away from the centre of the reel, or
> away from the emulsion side of the film.) I
> try to create a little equilateral triangle
> at each leading corner. I squash it flat, but
> do not expect it to stay there. However, it
> slopes 'backwards' (towards the hand)
> slightly, and that is enough to permit it to
> slip nicely under the 'top' of the groove.
> There is discernable resistance when the fold
> goes into the spiral, but it is only slight.
>
> Since adopting this procedure, I've had close
> to zero snags while loading film.
>
> Making the small folds is quick and easy in
> the dark, since the film is right there in
> the hands. I don't know if the snipped corner
> method works as well or better. I hate the
> fumble in the dark of finding the small tip
> of the corner with a pair of nail clippers.
> I'm also not thrilled to fantasize about
> where those little corner snippings have got
> to. I worry about Murphy ...
>
> regards,
> --le
> ________________________________
> Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
> website: www .heylloyd,com
> telephone: 416-686-0326
> email: portrait@heylloyd,com
> ________________________________
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:32:37 +0100,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>
>>And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>
>>Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>
>>Thanks!
>
This will work ... First time every time
Bill
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
In article <HuHDj.77$XB6.7@newsfe06.lga>,
"br" <wrentenbach@charter,net > wrote:
> This will work ... First time every time
>
> Bill
Is there a good reason you are top and bottom posting, as well as
reposting his entire response without snipping -twice?
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
In article <HuHDj.77$XB6.7@newsfe06.lga>,
"br" <wrentenbach@charter,net > wrote:
> This will work ... First time every time
>
> Bill
Is there a good reason you are top and bottom posting, as well as
reposting his entire response without snipping -twice?
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
"____" <internetphobic@deletedmail,com > wrote in message
news:internetphobic-CA6117.18302718032008@newsgroups,com cast,net ...
> In article <HuHDj.77$XB6.7@newsfe06.lga>,
> "br" <wrentenbach@charter,net > wrote:
>
>> This will work ... First time every time
>>
>> Bill
>
> Is there a good reason you are top and bottom posting, as well as
> reposting his entire response without snipping -twice?
>
> --
> Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
no ... simply made a mistake
bill
"____" <internetphobic@deletedmail,com > wrote in message
news:internetphobic-CA6117.18302718032008@newsgroups,com cast,net ...
> In article <HuHDj.77$XB6.7@newsfe06.lga>,
> "br" <wrentenbach@charter,net > wrote:
>
>> This will work ... First time every time
>>
>> Bill
>
> Is there a good reason you are top and bottom posting, as well as
> reposting his entire response without snipping -twice?
>
> --
> Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
no ... simply made a mistake
bill
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
On Mar 15, 3:32 am, Christopher Loffredo <m...@privacy,com > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>
> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>
> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>
> Thanks!
If these are self feeding reels check to see if the BB is missing out
of one side of the reels. That drove me crazy for a while until I
realized that one was missing. Hope this helps.
On Mar 15, 3:32 am, Christopher Loffredo <m...@privacy,com > wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>
> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>
> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>
> Thanks!
If these are self feeding reels check to see if the BB is missing out
of one side of the reels. That drove me crazy for a while until I
realized that one was missing. Hope this helps.
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>
> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>
> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>
> Thanks!
Follow-up:
I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
(with and old brush, of course :-) ).
Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
Thanks for all the answers!
Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>
> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>
> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>
> Thanks!
Follow-up:
I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
(with and old brush, of course :-) ).
Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
Thanks for all the answers!
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
In article <66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net >,
Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> > Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> > knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
> >
> > And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
> >
> > Any other suggestions or tricks?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Follow-up:
>
> I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
> previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
> (with and old brush, of course :-) ).
>
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>
> Thanks for all the answers!
More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
In article <66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net >,
Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
> > Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
> > knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
> >
> > And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
> >
> > Any other suggestions or tricks?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Follow-up:
>
> I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
> previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
> (with and old brush, of course :-) ).
>
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>
> Thanks for all the answers!
More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
wrote:
> In article <66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net >,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>>
>>> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Follow-up:
>>
>> I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
>> previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
>> (with and old brush, of course :-) ).
>>
>> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
>> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
>> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
>> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>>
>> Thanks for all the answers!
>
> More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
> tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
>
I did double-check the floor a few times after loading...
:-)
wrote:
> In article <66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net >,
> Christopher Loffredo <me@privacy,com > wrote:
>
>> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> When I try to reel film onto my developing tank reels (Jobo and
>>> Patterson, both 35mm and 120), the film jams and, even tapping or
>>> knocking the reel, I often can't get the whole film loaded.
>>>
>>> And, yes, the reels are perfectly dry.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions or tricks?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Follow-up:
>>
>> I finally got around to developing another batch of film, having
>> previously thoroughly scrubbed the reels with my electric toothbrush
>> (with and old brush, of course :-) ).
>>
>> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
>> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
>> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
>> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>>
>> Thanks for all the answers!
>
> More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
> tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
>
I did double-check the floor a few times after loading...
:-)
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
>>> Thanks for all the answers!
>>
>> More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
>> tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
>
> I did double-check the floor a few times after loading...
'tis a good idea to look about ye after a several pints. Might be quarters
right before ye. And _then_ pick yerself off the floor.
>>> Thanks for all the answers!
>>
>> More than likely it was all that wine in your system, better check again
>> tomorrow you may just think you loaded and processed the film :)
>
> I did double-check the floor a few times after loading...
'tis a good idea to look about ye after a several pints. Might be quarters
right before ye. And _then_ pick yerself off the floor.
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
Around 1980 or so, Paterson made a batch of reels that had a teflon coating.
At one time I owned some. They were slightly off pink. Film would slide
on them easily even if damp.
Unfortunately, I had to sell off all of my darkroom stuff in 1996 when
I moved here and they went with it. Now that I'm developing film again
(or at least trying to), and my fingers are that much less dexterous,
I wish I still had them.
Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson,com N3OWJ/4X1GM
Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
Around 1980 or so, Paterson made a batch of reels that had a teflon coating.
At one time I owned some. They were slightly off pink. Film would slide
on them easily even if damp.
Unfortunately, I had to sell off all of my darkroom stuff in 1996 when
I moved here and they went with it. Now that I'm developing film again
(or at least trying to), and my fingers are that much less dexterous,
I wish I still had them.
Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson,com N3OWJ/4X1GM
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
>> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
>> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
>> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
>> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>
> Around 1980 or so, Paterson made a batch of reels that had a teflon coating.
> At one time I owned some. They were slightly off pink. Film would slide
> on them easily even if damp.
>
> Unfortunately, I had to sell off all of my darkroom stuff in 1996 when
> I moved here and they went with it. Now that I'm developing film again
> (or at least trying to), and my fingers are that much less dexterous,
> I wish I still had them.
>
If the cleaning hadn't worked, as a last-ditch attempt I was going to
treat the reels with with a water-repellant spray I use on my Gore-Tex
jackets (developing a test roll first to make sure the substance doesn't
find its way on to the negatives).
Could work, as the treated surfaces (jacket) feel nice and slippery and
the treatment does last a while & isn't easily washed away.
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> Christopher Loffredo wrote:
>> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
>> the loading was more than successful: I couldn't believe I was using the
>> same reels; they loaded smoothly and practically without any resistance
>> at all. I suppose keeping the reels perfectly clean really is important...
>
> Around 1980 or so, Paterson made a batch of reels that had a teflon coating.
> At one time I owned some. They were slightly off pink. Film would slide
> on them easily even if damp.
>
> Unfortunately, I had to sell off all of my darkroom stuff in 1996 when
> I moved here and they went with it. Now that I'm developing film again
> (or at least trying to), and my fingers are that much less dexterous,
> I wish I still had them.
>
If the cleaning hadn't worked, as a last-ditch attempt I was going to
treat the reels with with a water-repellant spray I use on my Gore-Tex
jackets (developing a test roll first to make sure the substance doesn't
find its way on to the negatives).
Could work, as the treated surfaces (jacket) feel nice and slippery and
the treatment does last a while & isn't easily washed away.
Re: Film reels jamming (Developer tank)
"Christopher Loffredo" <me@privacy,com > wrote in message
news:66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net ...
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful.
The wine! We forgot to tell you that part! Always wine before loading!
A word of warning to my fellow Irishmen - Old Rodinal can look like Guinness
so be careful.
"Christopher Loffredo" <me@privacy,com > wrote in message
news:66n4sjF2k5t28U1@mid.individual,net ...
> Anyway, despite a large dinner accompanied by a notable ammount of wine,
> the loading was more than successful.
The wine! We forgot to tell you that part! Always wine before loading!
A word of warning to my fellow Irishmen - Old Rodinal can look like Guinness
so be careful.
