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Another one bites the dust
Re: Another one bites the dust
On 1/1/2008 3:46 PM spake thus:
> So I do believe it can be done. Its just trade advertising is like 600
> an issue versus say the 1,200 my yellow pages ad runs per year. Without
> trade ads you'll get lots of inquiries, so someone has to answer the
> phone or you'll need a website or both. You can actually have too many
> inquiries to appear professional if you've no way to respond to all or
> are working a job as well as this venture, then word gets around your
> not serious. The next thing is a certain element of "Us" photographers
> are great big "D-heads" the most anal people you will ever meet and the
> most critical, there are a lot of photographers that will do everything
> possible not to pay you, your "fair" price. Or will pump you for
> information as to how you did what what you did.
Well, fortunately for us, none of us here will have to worry our little
heads over whether to take our business to you, as it's plain you're
much too wracked with doubt to ever get such an enterprise off the ground.
On 1/1/2008 3:46 PM spake thus:
> So I do believe it can be done. Its just trade advertising is like 600
> an issue versus say the 1,200 my yellow pages ad runs per year. Without
> trade ads you'll get lots of inquiries, so someone has to answer the
> phone or you'll need a website or both. You can actually have too many
> inquiries to appear professional if you've no way to respond to all or
> are working a job as well as this venture, then word gets around your
> not serious. The next thing is a certain element of "Us" photographers
> are great big "D-heads" the most anal people you will ever meet and the
> most critical, there are a lot of photographers that will do everything
> possible not to pay you, your "fair" price. Or will pump you for
> information as to how you did what what you did.
Well, fortunately for us, none of us here will have to worry our little
heads over whether to take our business to you, as it's plain you're
much too wracked with doubt to ever get such an enterprise off the ground.
Re: Another one bites the dust
In article <477aeb07$0$30783$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com >,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
> Well, fortunately for us, none of us here will have to worry our little
> heads over whether to take our business to you, as it's plain you're
> much too wracked with doubt to ever get such an enterprise off the ground.
I have better things to do with my time. Included in that is an adios.
As in my last post. Good luck to the nice people here I wish you well
for 2008.
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
In article <477aeb07$0$30783$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com >,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
> Well, fortunately for us, none of us here will have to worry our little
> heads over whether to take our business to you, as it's plain you're
> much too wracked with doubt to ever get such an enterprise off the ground.
I have better things to do with my time. Included in that is an adios.
As in my last post. Good luck to the nice people here I wish you well
for 2008.
--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
Re: Another one bites the dust
On 12/3/2007 9:51 PM David Nebenzahl spake thus:
> So I talked to the person today who I am pretty sure was the last to
> operate a commercial wet color darkroom here in the San Francisco East
> Bay, and sure enough, as I suspected since he just recently moved, his
> darkroom didn't make the move. (His business was previously called
> "Clone Art".) So as far as I know, that leaves nobody on this side of
> the bay who makes "real" color prints. (Dunno about the South Bay or San
> Francisco, but I don't hold out much hope there either.)
Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty
of places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as
your local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The
difference is that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the
front end is digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed
digitally (w/laser) and then wet-processed. I'm talking about all-analog
processing, making optical prints the old-fashioned way.
And yes, I can tell the difference. While the quality of the digital
prints is pretty good, I can definitely see artifacts due to
digitization, particularly in certain kinds of textures. A well-made
optical print brings it to a higher level of clarity (while a
poorly-made optical print looks mushy).
On 12/3/2007 9:51 PM David Nebenzahl spake thus:
> So I talked to the person today who I am pretty sure was the last to
> operate a commercial wet color darkroom here in the San Francisco East
> Bay, and sure enough, as I suspected since he just recently moved, his
> darkroom didn't make the move. (His business was previously called
> "Clone Art".) So as far as I know, that leaves nobody on this side of
> the bay who makes "real" color prints. (Dunno about the South Bay or San
> Francisco, but I don't hold out much hope there either.)
Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty
of places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as
your local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The
difference is that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the
front end is digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed
digitally (w/laser) and then wet-processed. I'm talking about all-analog
processing, making optical prints the old-fashioned way.
And yes, I can tell the difference. While the quality of the digital
prints is pretty good, I can definitely see artifacts due to
digitization, particularly in certain kinds of textures. A well-made
optical print brings it to a higher level of clarity (while a
poorly-made optical print looks mushy).
Re: Another one bites the dust
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4760277c$0$31559$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com ...
> Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty of
> places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as your
> local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The difference is
> that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the front end is
> digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed digitally (w/laser)
> and then wet-processed. [... SNIP generous information ...]
Our local photo place has always dumbed down printing so that no matter how
sharp prints are, everyone gets the same damned diminished outcome. I swear
they have Artifical Anit-Intelligent software. All their prints have sucked
from the old totally wet days to the scan-to-digtal stuff today.
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4760277c$0$31559$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com ...
> Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty of
> places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as your
> local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The difference is
> that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the front end is
> digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed digitally (w/laser)
> and then wet-processed. [... SNIP generous information ...]
Our local photo place has always dumbed down printing so that no matter how
sharp prints are, everyone gets the same damned diminished outcome. I swear
they have Artifical Anit-Intelligent software. All their prints have sucked
from the old totally wet days to the scan-to-digtal stuff today.
Re: Another one bites the dust
On 12/12/2007 7:59 PM jjs spake thus:
> "David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:4760277c$0$31559$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com ...
>
>> Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty of
>> places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as your
>> local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The difference is
>> that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the front end is
>> digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed digitally (w/laser)
>> and then wet-processed. [... SNIP generous information ...]
>
> Our local photo place has always dumbed down printing so that no matter how
> sharp prints are, everyone gets the same damned diminished outcome. I swear
> they have Artifical Anit-Intelligent software. All their prints have sucked
> from the old totally wet days to the scan-to-digtal stuff today.
Well, I have to say that I'm getting pretty good results from my local
"service provider" (aka Longs Drugs), with their Fuji Frontier. I do see
the artifacts I mentioned above, but other than that the prints are
pretty damn good.
Do you know what kind of equipment your people (with their AAI software)
use? A lot seems to depend on the organism sitting at the controls.
On 12/12/2007 7:59 PM jjs spake thus:
> "David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
> news:4760277c$0$31559$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers,com ...
>
>> Just a little clarification, in case it wasn't clear: There are plenty of
>> places around that still make "wet" color prints: they're known as your
>> local drugstore/"photo" store that makes quick prints. The difference is
>> that all these processors are "hybrids", meaning that the front end is
>> digital (scanning negatives), and the print is exposed digitally (w/laser)
>> and then wet-processed. [... SNIP generous information ...]
>
> Our local photo place has always dumbed down printing so that no matter how
> sharp prints are, everyone gets the same damned diminished outcome. I swear
> they have Artifical Anit-Intelligent software. All their prints have sucked
> from the old totally wet days to the scan-to-digtal stuff today.
Well, I have to say that I'm getting pretty good results from my local
"service provider" (aka Longs Drugs), with their Fuji Frontier. I do see
the artifacts I mentioned above, but other than that the prints are
pretty damn good.
Do you know what kind of equipment your people (with their AAI software)
use? A lot seems to depend on the organism sitting at the controls.
