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Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their
space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have
been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
reputation.
< http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'845443>
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Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their
space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have
been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
reputation.
< http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'845443>
Rita
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Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video is
in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
"Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote in message
news:9dWdnVWMwowVPrjVnZ2dnUVZ hGdnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
> Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
> tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for
> their
> space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount
> have
> been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
> reputation.
>
> < http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'845443>
>
Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video is
in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
"Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote in message
news:9dWdnVWMwowVPrjVnZ2dnUVZ hGdnZ2d@supernews,com ...
> Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
> Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
> tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for
> their
> space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount
> have
> been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
> reputation.
>
> < http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'845443>
>
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Ali wrote:
> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is the
lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean room
and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
old 500 out in a dust storm.
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Ali wrote:
> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is the
lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean room
and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
old 500 out in a dust storm.
Rita
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Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
I wasn't looking to see if the person assembling the lens was wearing a hair
net, but I did notice 'condoms' were used on the fingers.
>> Ali wrote:
>> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
>> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is
> the
> lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
> letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean
> room
> and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
> old 500 out in a dust storm.
I wasn't looking to see if the person assembling the lens was wearing a hair
net, but I did notice 'condoms' were used on the fingers.
>> Ali wrote:
>> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
>> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is
> the
> lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
> letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean
> room
> and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
> old 500 out in a dust storm.
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:29:14 -0400, "Rita Berkowitz"
<ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
>Ali wrote:
>
>> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
>> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
>
>Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is the
>lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
>letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean room
>and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
>old 500 out in a dust storm.
I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
"Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
lens.
I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
in.
Gary
On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:29:14 -0400, "Rita Berkowitz"
<ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
>Ali wrote:
>
>> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made
>> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
>> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
>
>Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is the
>lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon
>letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean room
>and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the
>old 500 out in a dust storm.
I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
"Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
lens.
I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
in.
Gary
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Gary Edstrom wrote:
>> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it
>> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless
>> attitude of Canon letting workers assemble these lenses what appears
>> to *NOT* be a clean room and the worker lacking a hair net and
>> gloves. Might as well assemble the old 500 out in a dust storm.
>
> I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
> "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
> lens.
Yes, that didn't set to well with me. Makes buying a $5,000 lens really
reassuring.
> I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
> outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
> cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
> before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
> in.
I'm not so sure it would be a training film done outside a clean room.
Taking a camera in a clean room can be a trivial feat if it is prepared for.
My suspicion is this, or any video, would have been done with the best
techniques and methods available to highlight their strengths. This video
did the opposite. It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know
the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens.
Maybe a good sneeze?
Rita
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Gary Edstrom wrote:
>> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it
>> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless
>> attitude of Canon letting workers assemble these lenses what appears
>> to *NOT* be a clean room and the worker lacking a hair net and
>> gloves. Might as well assemble the old 500 out in a dust storm.
>
> I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
> "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
> lens.
Yes, that didn't set to well with me. Makes buying a $5,000 lens really
reassuring.
> I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
> outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
> cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
> before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
> in.
I'm not so sure it would be a training film done outside a clean room.
Taking a camera in a clean room can be a trivial feat if it is prepared for.
My suspicion is this, or any video, would have been done with the best
techniques and methods available to highlight their strengths. This video
did the opposite. It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know
the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens.
Maybe a good sneeze?
Rita
--
Stamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the
idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet
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Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
On 5/12/08 7:04 PM, in article
Od-dnc3Swv7cRrXVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@supernews,com , "Rita Berkowitz"
<ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
> Gary Edstrom wrote:
>
>>> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it
>>> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless
>>> attitude of Canon letting workers assemble these lenses what appears
>>> to *NOT* be a clean room and the worker lacking a hair net and
>>> gloves. Might as well assemble the old 500 out in a dust storm.
>>
>> I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
>> "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
>> lens.
>
> Yes, that didn't set to well with me. Makes buying a $5,000 lens really
> reassuring.
>
>> I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
>> outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
>> cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
>> before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
>> in.
>
> It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know
> the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens.
Projecting again?
On 5/12/08 7:04 PM, in article
Od-dnc3Swv7cRrXVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@supernews,com , "Rita Berkowitz"
<ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
> Gary Edstrom wrote:
>
>>> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it
>>> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless
>>> attitude of Canon letting workers assemble these lenses what appears
>>> to *NOT* be a clean room and the worker lacking a hair net and
>>> gloves. Might as well assemble the old 500 out in a dust storm.
>>
>> I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using
>> "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the
>> lens.
>
> Yes, that didn't set to well with me. Makes buying a $5,000 lens really
> reassuring.
>
>> I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done
>> outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video
>> cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room
>> before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought
>> in.
>
> It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know
> the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens.
Projecting again?
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
? "Ali" <me@privacy,com > ?????? ??? ??????
news:1KCdnXlFIuyMQLjVnZ2dnUVZ8trinZ2d@pipex,net ...
> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video
> is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
>
>
>
Now I like the japanese even more. Now I see why it's impossible to do any
repairs in any high-end appliance. Who can match the skill of these
technicians? Well done, kyanon again (Canon in japanese). (My Pixma iP 4300,
its original cartridges and paper are made in japan, probably one of the
last products to do so).
--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr
? "Ali" <me@privacy,com > ?????? ??? ??????
news:1KCdnXlFIuyMQLjVnZ2dnUVZ8trinZ2d@pipex,net ...
> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video
> is in three parts due to youtube restrictions):
> http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU
>
>
>
Now I like the japanese even more. Now I see why it's impossible to do any
repairs in any high-end appliance. Who can match the skill of these
technicians? Well done, kyanon again (Canon in japanese). (My Pixma iP 4300,
its original cartridges and paper are made in japan, probably one of the
last products to do so).
--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:28:54 -0400, "Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008@aol,com >
wrote:
: Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
: Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
: tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their
: space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have
: been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
: reputation.
Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita?
On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:28:54 -0400, "Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008@aol,com >
wrote:
: Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from
: Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive
: tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their
: space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have
: been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's
: reputation.
Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita?
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Robert Coe wrote:
>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques
>> from Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After
>> conclusive tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same
>> formula for their space age material as Canon. Even little
>> subtleties in the lens mount have been stolen from Canon. This is
>> going to be a major blemish on Nikon's reputation.
>
> Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita?
On the contrary. I'm glad to see Nikon have a FUCKPAW with this lens as it
will drive the price of classic Nikkors up. I'm a bit disappointed in Nikon
opting to follow Canon's lead on sub par pro lenses with plastic barrels and
short screws.
Rita
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Robert Coe wrote:
>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques
>> from Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After
>> conclusive tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same
>> formula for their space age material as Canon. Even little
>> subtleties in the lens mount have been stolen from Canon. This is
>> going to be a major blemish on Nikon's reputation.
>
> Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita?
On the contrary. I'm glad to see Nikon have a FUCKPAW with this lens as it
will drive the price of classic Nikkors up. I'm a bit disappointed in Nikon
opting to follow Canon's lead on sub par pro lenses with plastic barrels and
short screws.
Rita
--
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Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
No such story can be found with a Google News search...
--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http :// www .darkroomautomation,com /index2.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com
> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
No such story can be found with a Google News search...
--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http :// www .darkroomautomation,com /index2.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
On May 10, 3:35 pm, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig,com > wrote:
> > Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
> > http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>
> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
>
> --
> Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
> Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http :// www .darkroomautomation,com /index2.htm
> n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com
"story" says a lot here... much of what gets posted on this forum is
closer to fantasy :-)
On May 10, 3:35 pm, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig,com > wrote:
> > Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
> > http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>
> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
>
> --
> Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
> Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http :// www .darkroomautomation,com /index2.htm
> n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com
"story" says a lot here... much of what gets posted on this forum is
closer to fantasy :-)
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'84
>
> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
Did you look?
Rita
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum21&thread'84
>
> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
Did you look?
Rita
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Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>>
>> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
> Did you look?
I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an
article.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ http :// www .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>>
>> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
> Did you look?
I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an
article.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ http :// www .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Re: Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:68nklsF2taol3U1@mid.individual,net ...
> In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
>> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>
>>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>>>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>>>
>>> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
>
>> Did you look?
>
> I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an
> article.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [ http :// www .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Rita doesn't understand computers any better than cameras. Apparently it's
just point and push buttons.
"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:68nklsF2taol3U1@mid.individual,net ...
> In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol,com > wrote:
>> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
>
>>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon]
>>>> http :// forums.dpreview,com /forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784
>>>
>>> No such story can be found with a Google News search...
>
>> Did you look?
>
> I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an
> article.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [ http :// www .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Rita doesn't understand computers any better than cameras. Apparently it's
just point and push buttons.
