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High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
lens size advantages of small sensors.
There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
cameras which inhabit this region?
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ * w w w .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
lens size advantages of small sensors.
There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
cameras which inhabit this region?
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ * w w w .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Re: High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
Chris Malcolm wrote:
> There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
> apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
> physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
> lens size advantages of small sensors.
>
If you compare a PS Canon S5 IS with a Canon DSLR XTi I think you would
find you can produce a larger photo with some cropping from the DSLR and
get a sharper more of a high quality result. That said I do not think a
4x6 would be much different in many cases unless you needed higher ISO etc.
As for an 8.5x11 print I would think that you could get a higher quality
result (especially when cropping) from a DSLR.
I also PS would be more noisy at ISO higher than 200.
> There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
> image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
> control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
> cameras which inhabit this region?
>
>
Chris Malcolm wrote:
> There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
> apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
> physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
> lens size advantages of small sensors.
>
If you compare a PS Canon S5 IS with a Canon DSLR XTi I think you would
find you can produce a larger photo with some cropping from the DSLR and
get a sharper more of a high quality result. That said I do not think a
4x6 would be much different in many cases unless you needed higher ISO etc.
As for an 8.5x11 print I would think that you could get a higher quality
result (especially when cropping) from a DSLR.
I also PS would be more noisy at ISO higher than 200.
> There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
> image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
> control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
> cameras which inhabit this region?
>
>
Re: High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>
>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>cameras which inhabit this region?
The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
them.
On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>
>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>cameras which inhabit this region?
The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
them.
Re: High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
irwell <hook@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>>
>>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>>cameras which inhabit this region?
> The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
> the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
> them.
Dpreviews seems to agree too.
Some of the reviews of the Sony DSC-R1 suggested that it was the first
of such a new hybrid breed. The critical question is whether you can
buy more from the hybrid advantages of the best of both worlds than
you lose in the disadvantages of the worst of both. Many folk thought
the R1 too heavy, and were annoyed by its lack of movie mode. The
GX100 has restored that missing lightness and movie mode.
I'm glad to see that the general idea isn't dead, and will keep an
interested eye on the GX100.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ * w w w .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
irwell <hook@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>>
>>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>>cameras which inhabit this region?
> The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
> the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
> them.
Dpreviews seems to agree too.
Some of the reviews of the Sony DSC-R1 suggested that it was the first
of such a new hybrid breed. The critical question is whether you can
buy more from the hybrid advantages of the best of both worlds than
you lose in the disadvantages of the worst of both. Many folk thought
the R1 too heavy, and were annoyed by its lack of movie mode. The
GX100 has restored that missing lightness and movie mode.
I'm glad to see that the general idea isn't dead, and will keep an
interested eye on the GX100.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[ * w w w .dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Re: High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
On 8 Jul 2007 12:47:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>irwell <hook@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>>>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>>>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>>>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>>>
>>>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>>>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>>>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>>>cameras which inhabit this region?
>
>> The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
>> the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
>> them.
>
>Dpreviews seems to agree too.
>
>Some of the reviews of the Sony DSC-R1 suggested that it was the first
>of such a new hybrid breed. The critical question is whether you can
>buy more from the hybrid advantages of the best of both worlds than
>you lose in the disadvantages of the worst of both. Many folk thought
>the R1 too heavy, and were annoyed by its lack of movie mode. The
>GX100 has restored that missing lightness and movie mode.
>
>I'm glad to see that the general idea isn't dead, and will keep an
>interested eye on the GX100.
Unless you live in a very large city the GX100 is going to be hard
to actually see in person, this site (A very long download for
the whole thing) gives a very good in depth description of the
camera and accessories, plus some images.
* eng.mobile01 . com /newsdetail.php?id=3286
On 8 Jul 2007 12:47:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>irwell <hook@yahoo . com > wrote:
>> On 4 Jul 2007 10:47:56 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>>>There seems to be a polarisation in the market between DSLRs, which
>>>apart from interchangeable lenses exploit the quality advantages of
>>>physically big sensors, and P&S, which exploit the small camera and
>>>lens size advantages of small sensors.
>>>
>>>There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
>>>image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
>>>control. Is there any general agreement about a short-list of P&S
>>>cameras which inhabit this region?
>
>> The Ricoh Caplio GX100 would seem to qualify for
>> the shortlist, if you listen to people that own
>> them.
>
>Dpreviews seems to agree too.
>
>Some of the reviews of the Sony DSC-R1 suggested that it was the first
>of such a new hybrid breed. The critical question is whether you can
>buy more from the hybrid advantages of the best of both worlds than
>you lose in the disadvantages of the worst of both. Many folk thought
>the R1 too heavy, and were annoyed by its lack of movie mode. The
>GX100 has restored that missing lightness and movie mode.
>
>I'm glad to see that the general idea isn't dead, and will keep an
>interested eye on the GX100.
Unless you live in a very large city the GX100 is going to be hard
to actually see in person, this site (A very long download for
the whole thing) gives a very good in depth description of the
camera and accessories, plus some images.
* eng.mobile01 . com /newsdetail.php?id=3286
Re: High quality P&S cameras with full manual control
> There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
> image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
> control.
I'm not sure that there really is such a crossover region. The image
quality of DSLRs is considerably better than any P&S camera that I have
seen, but with the proviso that a reasonably good lens is used.
I think that the larger sensors in DSLRs significantly outperform the
smaller sensors of P&S digicams. This is so even at the lower ISOs if
one takes a critical look at image quality. This shows itself quite
readily in more difficult lighting situations.
In the end, I think that the choice of DSLR or P&S camera depends on
the particular set of trade-offs that any given photographer is
prepared to make.
> There's a cross-over region where the high end P&S cameras exceed the
> image quality of the poorer DSLRs, and have similar degrees of manual
> control.
I'm not sure that there really is such a crossover region. The image
quality of DSLRs is considerably better than any P&S camera that I have
seen, but with the proviso that a reasonably good lens is used.
I think that the larger sensors in DSLRs significantly outperform the
smaller sensors of P&S digicams. This is so even at the lower ISOs if
one takes a critical look at image quality. This shows itself quite
readily in more difficult lighting situations.
In the end, I think that the choice of DSLR or P&S camera depends on
the particular set of trade-offs that any given photographer is
prepared to make.
