People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

"Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion. Police
seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in a Hull
shopping centre. They later returned it but a police investigation found
they had acted correctly because he appeared to be taking photographs
covertly."

* news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm

"There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert for
anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because the more
professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely they are to be
stopped or questioned."

"If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using the
smallest camera possible."


* news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/magazine_enl_1208430127/img/1.jpg


Bye bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
western civilisation.

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

On 2008-04-17 05:27:35 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> said:

> "Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion.
> Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in
> a Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police
> investigation found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be
> taking photographs covertly."
>
> * news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
>
> "There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert
> for anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because
> the more professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely
> they are to be stopped or questioned."
>
> "If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using
> the smallest camera possible."
>
>
> * news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop ups/08/magazine enl 1208430127/img/1.jpg


Bye
>
>
>
> Bye bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
> western civilisation.

Terrorism - or let's say extreme violence for political purposes - is
the future for the world, not just western civilizations. Stay tuned as
the Olympics approach, and everyone from Falun Gong to Asian Muslims to
Tibetan Buddhists throw themselves at any target of opportunity.

Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.

One thing about usenet: everyone has a complaint, but workable
solutions are thin on the ground.
--
"Man's impetus should exceed his detritus."

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to be
> severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any ideas
> you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.

Western 1st world governments, should stop interfering in other 2nd and 3rd
world countries. Adopt foreign policies that do not seek to destructively
micro-manage world affairs to their liking, mind their own business, return
purely to trade and capitalism and cease this needless liberal
interventionism abroad. I don't give a damn about Tibet, I don't give a damn
about Darfur. These issues are not a white man's burden, they don't matter
to our needs or standard of living. Intervention only creates enemies that
want to damage our standard of living out of revenge.

Stop the foreign policy stupidity, stop the "terrorism". Return to
Realpolitik now before it's too late.

"Tully Albrecht" <tully.albrecht@cox . net > wrote in message
news:2008041705503516807%tullyalbrecht@coxnet...
> On 2008-04-17 05:27:35 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie>
> said:
>
>> "Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion.
>> Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in a
>> Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police investigation
>> found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be taking
>> photographs covertly."
>>
>> * news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
>>
>> "There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert for
>> anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because the
>> more professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely they are
>> to be stopped or questioned."
>>
>> "If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using
>> the smallest camera possible."
>>
>>
>> * news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/magazine_enl_1208430127/img/1.jpg
>
>
> Bye
>>
>>
>>
>> Bye bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
>> western civilisation.
>
> Terrorism - or let's say extreme violence for political purposes - is the
> future for the world, not just western civilizations. Stay tuned as the
> Olympics approach, and everyone from Falun Gong to Asian Muslims to
> Tibetan Buddhists throw themselves at any target of opportunity.
>
> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to be
> severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any ideas
> you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>
> One thing about usenet: everyone has a complaint, but workable solutions
> are thin on the ground.
> --
> "Man's impetus should exceed his detritus."
>

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!


"Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
news:fu7i9i$dk$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>
> Western 1st world governments, should stop interfering in other 2nd and
> 3rd world countries. Adopt foreign policies that do not seek to
> destructively micro-manage world affairs to their liking, mind their own
> business, return purely to trade and capitalism and cease this needless
> liberal interventionism abroad. I don't give a damn about Tibet, I don't
> give a damn about Darfur. These issues are not a white man's burden, they
> don't matter to our needs or standard of living. Intervention only creates
> enemies that want to damage our standard of living out of revenge.
>
> Stop the foreign policy stupidity, stop the "terrorism". Return to
> Realpolitik now before it's too late.

Sounds good. - But what do we do if some little two-bit dictator builds an
atom bomb and deploys it in Times Square, New York City, on Christmas eve?
We have entered an era when things like this are possible, and this is why I
don't want my government to turn its back on the rest of the world. - We
have no choice but to watch what is going on in order to protect ourselves,
and even to interfere with what is going on from time to time. Isolationism
is no longer a viable alternative.

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

> Sounds good. - But what do we do if some little two-bit dictator builds an
> atom bomb and deploys it in Times Square, New York City, on Christmas eve?

Real life is not a Hollywood movie.

You imply that building a nuclear bomb, is as easy a flipping a pancake. It
isn't, it requires a massive industrialisation process that even some 1st
world countries are not capable of.

These Two-bit dictator's you speak of, do not just appear from thin air you
know.

No third world country can obtain the tools to develop weapons of mass
destruction without the vast technological know how of the developed world.

"Isolationism is no longer a viable alternative."

When did capitalism and international trade become "isolationism" ?

You are making the argument for imperialism, and your country is about two
hundred years too late to join that party.


"William Graham" <weg9@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:V8KdnauU8cOALJrVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@comcast . com ...
>
> "Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
> news:fu7i9i$dk$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
>>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>>
>> Western 1st world governments, should stop interfering in other 2nd and
>> 3rd world countries. Adopt foreign policies that do not seek to
>> destructively micro-manage world affairs to their liking, mind their own
>> business, return purely to trade and capitalism and cease this needless
>> liberal interventionism abroad. I don't give a damn about Tibet, I don't
>> give a damn about Darfur. These issues are not a white man's burden, they
>> don't matter to our needs or standard of living. Intervention only
>> creates enemies that want to damage our standard of living out of
>> revenge.
>>
>> Stop the foreign policy stupidity, stop the "terrorism". Return to
>> Realpolitik now before it's too late.
>
> Sounds good. - But what do we do if some little two-bit dictator builds an
> atom bomb and deploys it in Times Square, New York City, on Christmas eve?
> We have entered an era when things like this are possible, and this is why
> I don't want my government to turn its back on the rest of the world. - We
> have no choice but to watch what is going on in order to protect
> ourselves, and even to interfere with what is going on from time to time.
> Isolationism is no longer a viable alternative.
>

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!


"Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
news:fu8gch$doi$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
>> Sounds good. - But what do we do if some little two-bit dictator builds
>> an atom bomb and deploys it in Times Square, New York City, on Christmas
>> eve?
>
> Real life is not a Hollywood movie.
>
> You imply that building a nuclear bomb, is as easy a flipping a pancake.
> It isn't, it requires a massive industrialisation process that even some
> 1st world countries are not capable of.
>
> These Two-bit dictator's you speak of, do not just appear from thin air
> you know.
>
> No third world country can obtain the tools to develop weapons of mass
> destruction without the vast technological know how of the developed
> world.
>
> "Isolationism is no longer a viable alternative."
>
> When did capitalism and international trade become "isolationism" ?
>
> You are making the argument for imperialism, and your country is about two
> hundred years too late to join that party.

My argument is for prudence, not imperialism. All it takes is one idiot who
has more oil than he knows what to do with, and there exist several of them
right now. Someone who thinks killing a large number of, "infidels" will
assure him of a place in paradise next to Allah, (or whatever) I learned a
long time ago not to gamble with my life. - I wait until I can see the road
ahead before I pass the truck. Why would I want to wait until one of these
idiots kills a million people before I stop him? You say that I am wrong,
and maybe you're right. But can you prove that you're right? - I think not.
You see, Joseph, you have nothing to lose, but I have a lot to lose.
Maybe you'd think differently if you lived in an apartment near Times
Square? Am I paranoid? - Sure, but my paranoia is what has kept me alive all
these many years. I don't know why these people hate me, but I don't really
care. There is nothing I could do about it anyway. All I know is that I
don't want my government to turn their backs on them. - I consider anyone
who is worth over a billion dollars and has said that they want to kill
Americans dangerous.

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

> Maybe you'd think differently if you lived in an apartment near Times
> Square? Am I paranoid? - Sure, but my paranoia is what has kept me alive
> all these many years. I don't know why these people hate me, but I don't
> really care. There is nothing I could do about it anyway. All I know is
> that I don't want my government to turn their backs on them. - I consider
> anyone who is worth over a billion dollars and has said that they want to
> kill Americans dangerous.

Wow! I tell you, if America could trade fear to the world, she wouldn't
have a massive trade deficit any more. LOL.

"William Graham" <weg9@comcast . net > wrote in message
news:-fGdnSdl1sInvZXVnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@comcast . com ...
>
> "Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
> news:fu8gch$doi$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
>>> Sounds good. - But what do we do if some little two-bit dictator builds
>>> an atom bomb and deploys it in Times Square, New York City, on Christmas
>>> eve?
>>
>> Real life is not a Hollywood movie.
>>
>> You imply that building a nuclear bomb, is as easy a flipping a pancake.
>> It isn't, it requires a massive industrialisation process that even some
>> 1st world countries are not capable of.
>>
>> These Two-bit dictator's you speak of, do not just appear from thin air
>> you know.
>>
>> No third world country can obtain the tools to develop weapons of mass
>> destruction without the vast technological know how of the developed
>> world.
>>
>> "Isolationism is no longer a viable alternative."
>>
>> When did capitalism and international trade become "isolationism" ?
>>
>> You are making the argument for imperialism, and your country is about
>> two hundred years too late to join that party.
>
> My argument is for prudence, not imperialism. All it takes is one idiot
> who has more oil than he knows what to do with, and there exist several of
> them right now. Someone who thinks killing a large number of, "infidels"
> will assure him of a place in paradise next to Allah, (or whatever) I
> learned a long time ago not to gamble with my life. - I wait until I can
> see the road ahead before I pass the truck. Why would I want to wait until
> one of these idiots kills a million people before I stop him? You say that
> I am wrong, and maybe you're right. But can you prove that you're right? -
> I think not.
> You see, Joseph, you have nothing to lose, but I have a lot to lose.
> Maybe you'd think differently if you lived in an apartment near Times
> Square? Am I paranoid? - Sure, but my paranoia is what has kept me alive
> all these many years. I don't know why these people hate me, but I don't
> really care. There is nothing I could do about it anyway. All I know is
> that I don't want my government to turn their backs on them. - I consider
> anyone who is worth over a billion dollars and has said that they want to
> kill Americans dangerous.
>

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!


"Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
news:fua9ud$8ti$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
>> Maybe you'd think differently if you lived in an apartment near Times
>> Square? Am I paranoid? - Sure, but my paranoia is what has kept me alive
>> all these many years. I don't know why these people hate me, but I don't
>> really care. There is nothing I could do about it anyway. All I know is
>> that I don't want my government to turn their backs on them. - I consider
>> anyone who is worth over a billion dollars and has said that they want to
>> kill Americans dangerous.
>
> Wow! I tell you, if America could trade fear to the world, she wouldn't
> have a massive trade deficit any more. LOL.

Well, if you think common sense is, "fear", that's OK with me. Call it
whatever you want. But I want my air force, (or the Israel air force) to
bomb the hell out of any nuclear reactors they find in either Iran or Syria.
That's precisely what I pay them for........

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

On 2008-04-17 06:10:51 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> said:

>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>
> Western 1st world governments, should stop interfering in other 2nd and
> 3rd world countries.

Just to clarify, it is "Old World", for the European monarchies and
imperial colonial powers. "New World" for the trans Atlantic Americas,
and "Third World" for the post WWII, post colonial developing nations
struggling out of a perceived primitive existence towards Western
ideals.
So we have a 3rd World, but no 1st or 2nd World.

> Adopt foreign policies that do not seek to destructively micro-manage
> world affairs to their liking, mind their own business, return purely
> to trade and capitalism and cease this needless liberal interventionism
> abroad. I don't give a damn about Tibet, I don't give a damn about
> Darfur. These issues are not a white man's burden, they don't matter to
> our needs or standard of living. Intervention only creates enemies that
> want to damage our standard of living out of revenge.
>
> Stop the foreign policy stupidity, stop the "terrorism". Return to
> Realpolitik now before it's too late.

The issue for this NG is, how do we convince knee-jerk reactionaries to
understand that most photographers, regardless of equipment are just
photographers with no sinister ulterior motives.
The reality is, with the exception of a relatively few images, most of
the results of images produced by most camera users in publuc places
end up in obscure personal oblivion.

Those images produced by government agencies (police, intelligence,
military, satellite, etc.) are far more dangerous to civil rights and
personal freedoms.

The smoke screen of targeting amateur, or even professional
photographers in the name of the war against terrorism, or child
pornography, is just a demonstration of the actual deficiencies in the
efforts of the authorities in those areas.
Actual terrorist surveillance is bound to be less obvious.
The worst of paedophelia takes place behind closed doors, and for the
most part within, and by members of the families of the victims,
perpetrated by those they most trust.

>
> "Tully Albrecht" <tully.albrecht@cox . net > wrote in message
> news:2008041705503516807%tullyalbrecht@coxnet...
>> On 2008-04-17 05:27:35 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> said:
>>
>>> "Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion.
>>> Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in
>>> a Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police
>>> investigation found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be
>>> taking photographs covertly."
>>>
>>> * news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
>>>
>>> "There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert
>>> for anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because
>>> the more professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely
>>> they are to be stopped or questioned."
>>>
>>> "If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using
>>> the smallest camera possible."
>>>
>>>
>>> * news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop ups/08/magazine enl 1208430127/img/1.jpg


Bye



Bye
>>>
>>> bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
>>> western civilisation.
>>
>> Terrorism - or let's say extreme violence for political purposes - is
>> the future for the world, not just western civilizations. Stay tuned as
>> the Olympics approach, and everyone from Falun Gong to Asian Muslims to
>> Tibetan Buddhists throw themselves at any target of opportunity.
>>
>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>>
>> One thing about usenet: everyone has a complaint, but workable
>> solutions are thin on the ground.
>> --
>> "Man's impetus should exceed his detritus."

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

> Just to clarify, it is "Old World", for the European monarchies and
> imperial colonial powers. "New World" for the trans Atlantic Americas, and
> "Third World" for the post WWII, post colonial developing nations
> struggling out of a perceived primitive existence towards Western ideals.
> So we have a 3rd World, but no 1st or 2nd World.

The terms Old world and New world are not economic denominations. 3rd world
is. Western Europe, North America and Japan are 1st world areas. Southern
North America, Russia, Eastern Europe, Middle East, South West Asia are 2nd
world areas. Africa, Central Asia, South East Asia, South America are 3rd
world areas. With exceptions of course.

"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage . net > wrote in message
news:2008041909002075249-savageduck@savagenet...
> On 2008-04-17 06:10:51 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie>
> said:
>
>>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>>
>> Western 1st world governments, should stop interfering in other 2nd and
>> 3rd world countries.
>
> Just to clarify, it is "Old World", for the European monarchies and
> imperial colonial powers. "New World" for the trans Atlantic Americas, and
> "Third World" for the post WWII, post colonial developing nations
> struggling out of a perceived primitive existence towards Western ideals.
> So we have a 3rd World, but no 1st or 2nd World.
>
>> Adopt foreign policies that do not seek to destructively micro-manage
>> world affairs to their liking, mind their own business, return purely to
>> trade and capitalism and cease this needless liberal interventionism
>> abroad. I don't give a damn about Tibet, I don't give a damn about
>> Darfur. These issues are not a white man's burden, they don't matter to
>> our needs or standard of living. Intervention only creates enemies that
>> want to damage our standard of living out of revenge.
>>
>> Stop the foreign policy stupidity, stop the "terrorism". Return to
>> Realpolitik now before it's too late.
>
> The issue for this NG is, how do we convince knee-jerk reactionaries to
> understand that most photographers, regardless of equipment are just
> photographers with no sinister ulterior motives.
> The reality is, with the exception of a relatively few images, most of the
> results of images produced by most camera users in publuc places end up in
> obscure personal oblivion.
>
> Those images produced by government agencies (police, intelligence,
> military, satellite, etc.) are far more dangerous to civil rights and
> personal freedoms.
>
> The smoke screen of targeting amateur, or even professional photographers
> in the name of the war against terrorism, or child pornography, is just a
> demonstration of the actual deficiencies in the efforts of the authorities
> in those areas.
> Actual terrorist surveillance is bound to be less obvious.
> The worst of paedophelia takes place behind closed doors, and for the most
> part within, and by members of the families of the victims, perpetrated by
> those they most trust.
>
>>
>> "Tully Albrecht" <tully.albrecht@cox . net > wrote in message
>> news:2008041705503516807%tullyalbrecht@coxnet...
>>> On 2008-04-17 05:27:35 -0700, "Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> "Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion.
>>>> Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in
>>>> a Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police
>>>> investigation found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be
>>>> taking photographs covertly."
>>>>
>>>> * news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
>>>>
>>>> "There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert
>>>> for anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because
>>>> the more professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely
>>>> they are to be stopped or questioned."
>>>>
>>>> "If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using
>>>> the smallest camera possible."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/magazine_enl_1208430127/img/1.jpg
>
>
> Bye
>
>
>
> Bye
>>>>
>>>> bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
>>>> western civilisation.
>>>
>>> Terrorism - or let's say extreme violence for political purposes - is
>>> the future for the world, not just western civilizations. Stay tuned as
>>> the Olympics approach, and everyone from Falun Gong to Asian Muslims to
>>> Tibetan Buddhists throw themselves at any target of opportunity.
>>>
>>> Governments of every nationality and political orientation are going to
>>> be severely tested for decades. I'm sure they will be grateful for any
>>> ideas you may have re: the balancing act between liberty and security.
>>>
>>> One thing about usenet: everyone has a complaint, but workable solutions
>>> are thin on the ground.
>>> --
>>> "Man's impetus should exceed his detritus."
>
>

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage . net > wrote

> The issue for this NG is, how do we convince knee-jerk
> reactionaries

It's not the reactionaries: reactionaries want the government
the 'ef out of their life. They only get pissed when you are
taking pictures of _them_.

It is the "caring and compassionate advocates for
-fill-in-the-blank-" and the "I'm from the Government
and I am here to assure your safety" crowds that get
all antsy about anyone taking pictures. They too have
very jerky knees.

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage . net > wrote

> So we have a 3rd World, but no 1st or 2nd World.

The 1st World is 'western democracies'. The 2nd World
was the Soviet Union & Co. and is down to N. Korea
and Cuba, what with China making it to 1st world consumptive
status. The 3rd World is anyplace without cable - just
ask your daughter.

> photographers with no sinister ulterior motives.

There is something about a photograph 'capturing a bit
of your soul without your permission'. Having my
picture taken often feels invasive, and I think many people feel
the same way.

In popular entertainment the photographer is always the
baddy.
Chief Detective: "What do we know about this guy?"
Handsome Sidekick: "He's a photographer."
Everyone in the room: Shift in their seats and pass knowing glances.
Chief Detective: "Right. Bring him in for questioning, and
I don't care how."

Primitive cultures have strong feelings against having
their picture taken, usually with a belief that possession
of their picture allows someone to do them harm. Just
training a metal box with a glass eye at someone is a
threatening act, never mind the purpose of the box.
There is a lot of wisdom in never letting a White Man
aim anything at you...

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
* w w w .darkroomautomation . com /index2.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

* w w w .guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/17/iraq.usa

2 years in jail, but photographer not a terrorist after all.

"Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@NOSPAMiol.ie> wrote in message
news:fu7fof$v1b$1@reader01.news . es at . net ...
> "Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion.
> Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in a
> Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police investigation
> found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be taking
> photographs covertly."
>
> * news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
>
> "There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert for
> anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because the more
> professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely they are to be
> stopped or questioned."
>
> "If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using
> the smallest camera possible."
>
>
> * news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/magazine_enl_1208430127/img/1.jpg
>
>
> Bye bye freedom, hello "security" hail the police state! the future of
> western civilisation.
>

Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

Joseph Kewfi wrote:
> * w w w .guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/17/iraq.usa
>
> 2 years in jail, but photographer not a terrorist after all.

Considering it's a war zone and the materials he had in his possession
it's understandable. In fact he was not declared innocent; only that
there was not enough evidence to go forward.

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Re: People with Cameras are odd and maybe Terrorists!

> Considering it's a war zone and the materials he had in his possession
> it's understandable. In fact he was not declared innocent; only that
> there was not enough evidence to go forward.

There is no "war" in Iraq. War is a declared legal state of affairs. What
is going on in Iraq today is purely foreign occupation, with resistance
violence toward that occupation and it's indigenous supporters.

"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
news:uV7Oj.6776$mC6.4978@wagner.videotron . net ...
> Joseph Kewfi wrote:
>> * w w w .guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/17/iraq.usa
>>
>> 2 years in jail, but photographer not a terrorist after all.
>
> Considering it's a war zone and the materials he had in his possession
> it's understandable. In fact he was not declared innocent; only that
> there was not enough evidence to go forward.
>
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