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Calumet?

Reply from: Padu
Date: 09 Feb 2007, 22:08
Calumet?

Hi All,

I'm a "casual" photographer... I invest more time than the average hobbyist
photographer into learning photography but I'm not a professional
photographer. Better yet, I'm a software engineer that once had dreams to be
a professional photographer.

I started photography in the late 80's with 35mm and my own B&W darkroom.
Recently I've jumped into the digital bandwagon with a sonalta d-slr. All
good until I came to an exhibition of a fellow photographer (Dana Neibert)
and realized that film is still used a lot, especially for commercial stuff.
He showed his crown graphic, and that got me thinking.

Now I want to start shooting large format (4x5), but on a budget, since I'll
still shoot digital.

From what I've researched, the calumets are a very good starter camera
(cheap), and then I've bought one on ebay (one of the old CC-403 I believe,
it's the gray one) for about $100 bucks (body only). The price is ok, so if
I need to re-sell it, I won't loose any money.

My question is if this is a good camera to start (and start buying stuff for
it) or should I spend a bit more (and I really mean a bit) and start with a
calumet 45 model (the black one, with square rails).

I will mostly do stuff in my studio, and I don't care for convenience if I
need to take a few shots outdoors (that's why I don't care for the folding
models such as the crown graphic)...


Cheers!

Padu



Reply from: Gregory Blank
Date: 09 Feb 2007, 23:56
Re: Calumet?

In article <c87c8$45cce2fd$4a01820a$18364@msgid.meganewsservers,com >,
"Padu" <padu@merlotti,com > wrote:

> My question is if this is a good camera to start (and start buying stuff for
> it) or should I spend a bit more (and I really mean a bit) and start with a
> calumet 45 model (the black one, with square rails).

Better yet buy a used Omega View D or E in good shape! Built like tanks
and were actually made by Mamiya. Used price maybe 300 dollars, and
you'll have money for film, paper and chemicals.
--
George W. Bush is the President Quayle we never had.

Reply from: Nermal
Date: 10 Feb 2007, 15:10
Re: Calumet?

The Omega View was the finest camera that I ever owned. It had the
smoothest action of any view camera out there. I use a Crown Graphic
now. It takes a lot longer to set up and lacks the extreme movements
but that is not a problem.

Gregory Blank wrote:
> In article <c87c8$45cce2fd$4a01820a$18364@msgid.meganewsservers,com >,
> "Padu" <padu@merlotti,com > wrote:
>
>
>>My question is if this is a good camera to start (and start buying stuff for
>>it) or should I spend a bit more (and I really mean a bit) and start with a
>>calumet 45 model (the black one, with square rails).
>
>
> Better yet buy a used Omega View D or E in good shape! Built like tanks
> and were actually made by Mamiya. Used price maybe 300 dollars, and
> you'll have money for film, paper and chemicals.

Reply from: David Nebenzahl
Date: 11 Feb 2007, 00:49
Re: Calumet?

Nermal spake thus:

> The Omega View was the finest camera that I ever owned. It had the
> smoothest action of any view camera out there. I use a Crown Graphic
> now. It takes a lot longer to set up and lacks the extreme movements
> but that is not a problem.

Why do you say the Crown Graphic takes longer to set up? I have one, and
I realize it lacks some of the features of monorail cameras, but I don't
really see why it should take longer to set up. (Assuming you don't have
to switch between portrait and landscape orientation, which would be
faster on a camera w/a revolving back; but then, not all monorails have
that feature.)


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Reply from: Nermal
Date: 11 Feb 2007, 14:31
Re: Calumet?

My old Crown Graphic does take longer to set up..,it is not a problem
since I do not use it that often. It is much more portable than a view
camera. The movements are more limited than a real view cameras can
live and work around that though.

Up till a few years ago I used it for macro work with short focal lenses
on an old Compur shutter (35 mm, 55 mm, and 90 mm). I still love
working with large negatives.

I use 35 mm and 2 1/4 for macro now: no one processes color film in the
large format.



David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Nermal spake thus:
>
>> The Omega View was the finest camera that I ever owned. It had the
>> smoothest action of any view camera out there. I use a Crown Graphic
>> now. It takes a lot longer to set up and lacks the extreme movements
>> but that is not a problem.
>
>
> Why do you say the Crown Graphic takes longer to set up? I have one, and
> I realize it lacks some of the features of monorail cameras, but I don't
> really see why it should take longer to set up. (Assuming you don't have
> to switch between portrait and landscape orientation, which would be
> faster on a camera w/a revolving back; but then, not all monorails have
> that feature.)
>
>

Reply from: Howard Lester
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 00:06
Re: Calumet?

"Nermal" wrote

> I use 35 mm and 2 1/4 for macro now: no one processes color film in the
> large format.

No one? Maybe no one near where you live....



Reply from: David Nebenzahl
Date: 12 Feb 2007, 01:24
Re: Calumet?

Nermal spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>>
>> Why do you say the Crown Graphic takes longer to set up? I have one,
>> and I realize it lacks some of the features of monorail cameras, but I
>> don't really see why it should take longer to set up. (Assuming you
>> don't have to switch between portrait and landscape orientation, which
>> would be faster on a camera w/a revolving back; but then, not all
>> monorails have that feature.)
>
> My old Crown Graphic does take longer to set up..,it is not a problem
> since I do not use it that often.

Sorry to bug you about this, but I still don't understand why a Crown
Graphic would take longer than a view camera to set up. Assuming one
already has the correct lens mounted in either case:

Crown Graphic:
1. Attach to tripod
2. Open camera, pull out front standard & lock down
3. Open back, put up dark cloth
4. Open shutter & aperture
5. Compose & focus
6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.

View camera:
1. Attach to tripod
2. Move front & rear standards to approx. position
3. Open back, put up dark cloth
4. Open shutter & aperture
5. Compose & focus
6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.

Unless I'm missing something here ...


--
Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
( http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan Ellison)

Reply from: Nermal
Date: 13 Feb 2007, 00:09
Re: Calumet?

It is step #2, adjust swings and tilts...etc.
Very easy to do on a view camera...a little bit more complicated on a
Crown Graphic especially since the movements are more limited. Y
If I did more large format I would consider the purchase an Omega View
camera. I would love to find a good reason to purchase an 8" x 10" view
camera.

Note: the lab that does my 2 1/4 film has to send the sheet film to an
outside laboratory. The last time (12 years ago) the turn-around time
for Ektachrome slides was 8 days. Ektacolor processing (with contact
sheet only) takes 7 days.



David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Nermal spake thus:
>
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why do you say the Crown Graphic takes longer to set up? I have one,
>>> and I realize it lacks some of the features of monorail cameras, but
>>> I don't really see why it should take longer to set up. (Assuming you
>>> don't have to switch between portrait and landscape orientation,
>>> which would be faster on a camera w/a revolving back; but then, not
>>> all monorails have that feature.)
>>
>>
> > My old Crown Graphic does take longer to set up..,it is not a problem
> > since I do not use it that often.
>
> Sorry to bug you about this, but I still don't understand why a Crown
> Graphic would take longer than a view camera to set up. Assuming one
> already has the correct lens mounted in either case:
>
> Crown Graphic:
> 1. Attach to tripod
> 2. Open camera, pull out front standard & lock down
> 3. Open back, put up dark cloth
> 4. Open shutter & aperture
> 5. Compose & focus
> 6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
> 7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.
>
> View camera:
> 1. Attach to tripod
> 2. Move front & rear standards to approx. position
> 3. Open back, put up dark cloth
> 4. Open shutter & aperture
> 5. Compose & focus
> 6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
> 7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.
>
> Unless I'm missing something here ...
>
>

Reply from: David Nebenzahl
Date: 13 Feb 2007, 01:25
Re: Calumet?

Nermal spake thus:

> It is step #2, adjust swings and tilts...etc.
> Very easy to do on a view camera...a little bit more complicated on a
> Crown Graphic especially since the movements are more limited.

Well, since a Crown Graphic only has front tilt and a little bit of
front shift & front rise, it's actually easier, since there isn't a
whole lot you can do there. No locking the back standard in "neutral"
position, etc.


--
Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
( http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan Ellison)

Reply from: Nicholas O. Lindan
Date: 13 Feb 2007, 04:04
Re: Calumet?

"Nermal" <nermal1@earthlink,net > wrote

> I would love to find a good reason to purchase an 8" x 10" view camera.

Desire. Desire is a good enough reason. I mean, why did you
marry your wife?

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http :// www .nolindan,com /da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com



Reply from: Neil Purling
Date: 17 Feb 2007, 20:19
Re: Calumet?

It's wonderful so many people appreciate and use the Crown Graphic. I have
one as well and presently use a 130mm Dagor plus 150mm and 210mm G-Clarons
with it.
Given a Graflite gun and a box of bulbs i'd be as happy as a pig in
you-know-what.
The little creature is very portable, no excuse not to take it out to play.



Reply from: darkroommike
Date: 18 Feb 2007, 07:48
Re: Calumet?

E-6 is fairly easy to do yourself or find a good lab, and
get on a first name basis with the plant manager. They will
be glad to handle the occasional rush job and you can mark
up and bill the rush fees to your client.

darkroommike

Nermal wrote:
> It is step #2, adjust swings and tilts...etc.
> Very easy to do on a view camera...a little bit more complicated on a
> Crown Graphic especially since the movements are more limited. Y
> If I did more large format I would consider the purchase an Omega View
> camera. I would love to find a good reason to purchase an 8" x 10" view
> camera.
>
> Note: the lab that does my 2 1/4 film has to send the sheet film to an
> outside laboratory. The last time (12 years ago) the turn-around time
> for Ektachrome slides was 8 days. Ektacolor processing (with contact
> sheet only) takes 7 days.
>
>
>
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>> Nermal spake thus:
>>
>>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you say the Crown Graphic takes longer to set up? I have one,
>>>> and I realize it lacks some of the features of monorail cameras, but
>>>> I don't really see why it should take longer to set up. (Assuming
>>>> you don't have to switch between portrait and landscape orientation,
>>>> which would be faster on a camera w/a revolving back; but then, not
>>>> all monorails have that feature.)
>>>
>>>
>> > My old Crown Graphic does take longer to set up..,it is not a problem
>> > since I do not use it that often.
>>
>> Sorry to bug you about this, but I still don't understand why a Crown
>> Graphic would take longer than a view camera to set up. Assuming one
>> already has the correct lens mounted in either case:
>>
>> Crown Graphic:
>> 1. Attach to tripod
>> 2. Open camera, pull out front standard & lock down
>> 3. Open back, put up dark cloth
>> 4. Open shutter & aperture
>> 5. Compose & focus
>> 6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
>> 7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.
>>
>> View camera:
>> 1. Attach to tripod
>> 2. Move front & rear standards to approx. position
>> 3. Open back, put up dark cloth
>> 4. Open shutter & aperture
>> 5. Compose & focus
>> 6. Close shutter, reset aperture & shutter speed, cock shutter
>> 7. Insert film holder, pull dark slide, make exposure.
>>
>> Unless I'm missing something here ...
>>
>>

Reply from: ---
Date: 18 Feb 2007, 07:50
Re: Calumet?

In article <12tftmq7qcd285f@corp.supernews,com >,
darkroommike <darkroommike@cableone,net > wrote:

>E-6 is fairly easy to do yourself or find a good lab

E-6 labs are getting hard to find and doing it yourself
isn't as easy as you think if you want quality.


Reply from: Nermal
Date: 18 Feb 2007, 17:36
Re: Calumet?

You are right on both counts.
I have done it before.
Some out-of-state labs still do 4 x 5 E-6.
This week I was at my local shop and asked about large format
processing. I was given the name and phone number of an out-of-state
laboratory.

I contacted them: they wanted to know who recommended me and personal
information, etc. They do hand processing (dip and dunk).


I was told by one of the customers at the counter that he no longer
shoots color sheet film due to poor quality control of most
laboratories. We agreed laboratories that run quantities of roll film
through a dedicated film machine still have good quality control.

BTW - I submitted 5 rolls of Ektacolor/Kodacolor that were exposed using
my roll film adapter on my Crown Graphic. The local lab cannot make
enlargements but supplies proof sheets.



ellis@no.spam wrote:
> In article <12tftmq7qcd285f@corp.supernews,com >,
> darkroommike <darkroommike@cableone,net > wrote:
>
>
>>E-6 is fairly easy to do yourself or find a good lab
>
>
> E-6 labs are getting hard to find and doing it yourself
> isn't as easy as you think if you want quality.
>

Reply from: Padu
Date: 19 Feb 2007, 20:03
Re: Calumet?


"Nermal"
> You are right on both counts.
> I have done it before.
> Some out-of-state labs still do 4 x 5 E-6.
> This week I was at my local shop and asked about large format processing.
> I was given the name and phone number of an out-of-state laboratory.
>
> I contacted them: they wanted to know who recommended me and personal
> information, etc. They do hand processing (dip and dunk).
>
>
> I was told by one of the customers at the counter that he no longer shoots
> color sheet film due to poor quality control of most laboratories. We
> agreed laboratories that run quantities of roll film through a dedicated
> film machine still have good quality control.
>
> BTW - I submitted 5 rolls of Ektacolor/Kodacolor that were exposed using
> my roll film adapter on my Crown Graphic. The local lab cannot make
> enlargements but supplies proof sheets.


I'm very lucky then. Two blocks from my office there's a pro lab
( http :// www .chromedigital,com /) that develops E-6 4x5.

Anyway, I think for starters I'll get a polaroid back until I get
confortable with all the controls of my new calumet.

Cheers

Padu




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