Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Sinar 4x5 - worth?


What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and 9
negative holders be worth?

* w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205

Reported to be in "good condition".

Thanks,
Alan

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Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Alan Browne wrote:
>
> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and 9
> negative holders be worth?
>
> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>
> Reported to be in "good condition".
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>

Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is there, although
I would assume it is (and I'd verify that with the seller).

Camera $300 - $650
Lens $100 - $200
Polaroid Back $50 - $75
9 holders $100 - $150

Total: $550 - $1075

I'd say near the lower end of the range is more reasonable. I'm sure the
seller would prefer the upper end. ;-D

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Pudentame wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>
>> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and
>> 9 negative holders be worth?
>>
>> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>>
>> Reported to be in "good condition".

>
> Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is there, although
> I would assume it is (and I'd verify that with the seller).
>
> Camera $300 - $650
> Lens $100 - $200
> Polaroid Back $50 - $75
> 9 holders $100 - $150
>
> Total: $550 - $1075
>
> I'd say near the lower end of the range is more reasonable. I'm sure the
> seller would prefer the upper end. ;-D

Thanks. He says it's "ready to work with", so I assume the back is there.

He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on that.

I just have to find out who can develop 4x5 E-6 for me. If I have to go
all the way downtown or do it myself, I doubt that I'd go for it. Also
just bought a Nikon 9000 ED ... which these won't go into...

Cheers,
Alan


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Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?


"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
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> Pudentame wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5,
>>> polaroid back and 9 negative holders be worth?
>>>
>>> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>>>
>>> Reported to be in "good condition".
>
>>
>> Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is
>> there, although I would assume it is (and I'd verify that
>> with the seller).
>>
>> Camera $300 - $650
>> Lens $100 - $200
>> Polaroid Back $50 - $75
>> 9 holders $100 - $150
>>
>> Total: $550 - $1075
>>
>> I'd say near the lower end of the range is more
>> reasonable. I'm sure the seller would prefer the upper
>> end. ;-D
>
> Thanks. He says it's "ready to work with", so I assume
> the back is there.
>
> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate
> a bit on that.
>
> I just have to find out who can develop 4x5 E-6 for me.
> If I have to go all the way downtown or do it myself, I
> doubt that I'd go for it. Also just bought a Nikon 9000
> ED ... which these won't go into...
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
Beware that the lens may be a "normal" lens for 2-1/4 x
3-1/4 and not a wide angle for 4x5. If so, the lens _might_
illuminate the corners of a 4x5 but the quality will not be
good. Find out, if you can, which Rodenstock lens it is. If
its a standard lens its probably not worth the price above.
Also, find out which Polaroid back this is, if its the
original #500 its virtually worthless. If a #545 or 545i its
worth the price stated.
What kind of film holders? $10 each is OK for modern
holders in good condition.


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Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Richard Knoppow wrote:

> Also, find out which Polaroid back this is, if its the
> original #500 its virtually worthless. If a #545 or 545i its
> worth the price stated.
> What kind of film holders? $10 each is OK for modern
> holders in good condition.
>
>

The Polaroid looks like it might be a 500 back, although I'd dispute a
500 back is worthless. It does take more work to use one without messing
things up, but it's not worthless..

The film holders look like (at least some are) the newer style Fidelity
holders with plastic dark slides.

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?


"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on that.

That's nutz, over the top. It looks grungy as hell, and the film holders
are wrecks.

Ya know, you can get an equally functional Sinar Alpina for under $200?

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:NUmLh.22192$YK6.254868@wagner.videotron . net

> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and 9
> negative holders be worth?
> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205

A lot depends on the lens. I don't know of any 105mm/f4.5
Rodenstocks. A normal 105 won't cover 4x5, a wide angle f4.5
~100mm lens is a ~$700-1,200 proposition.

I would get some clarification - is it a Geronar, Grandagon,
Sinaron, Sironar ...? Is it 105 or is it a 135 or 150.

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>

>
>> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on that.
>
> That's nutz, over the top. It looks grungy as hell, and the film holders
> are wrecks.
>
> Ya know, you can get an equally functional Sinar Alpina for under $200?
>
>
>

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

"Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig . com > wrote in message
news:slDLh.11584$PL.9523@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink . net ...
> > "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> > news:NUmLh.22192$YK6.254868@wagner.videotron . net
>
> > What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back
> > and 9 negative holders be worth?
> > * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>
> A lot depends on the lens. I don't know of any 105mm/f4.5
> Rodenstocks. A normal 105 won't cover 4x5, a wide angle f4.5
> ~100mm lens is a ~$700-1,200 proposition.
>
> I would get some clarification - is it a Geronar, Grandagon,
> Sinaron, Sironar ...? Is it 105 or is it a 135 or 150.
>

Aren't the 105mm Ysaron and Ysarex both f4.5? Neither of these ought to be
worth "$100-$200" though. The Ysarex (corrected for infinity) usually goes
for a bit more than the Ysaron (corected for close work).

That's not what it looks like in the picture though. Sure it's not a typo.
for 150mm?


Peter

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

On Mar 19, 7:30 pm, "Bandicoot" <"insert handle here"@techemail . com >
wrote:
> "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig . com > wrote in messagenews:slDLh.11584$PL.9523@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink . net ...
>
> > > "Alan Browne" <alan.bro...@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:NUmLh.22192$YK6.254868@wagner.videotron . net
>
> > > What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back
> > > and 9 negative holders be worth?
> > > * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>
> > A lot depends on the lens. I don't know of any 105mm/f4.5
> > Rodenstocks. A normal 105 won't cover 4x5, a wide angle f4.5
> > ~100mm lens is a ~$700-1,200 proposition.
>
> > I would get some clarification - is it a Geronar, Grandagon,
> > Sinaron, Sironar ...? Is it 105 or is it a 135 or 150.
>
> Aren't the 105mm Ysaron and Ysarex both f4.5? Neither of these ought to be
> worth "$100-$200" though. The Ysarex (corrected for infinity) usually goes
> for a bit more than the Ysaron (corected for close work).
>
> That's not what it looks like in the picture though. Sure it's not a typo.
> for 150mm?
>
> Peter

The picture is so low rez that its hard to tell what it is but I
agree that it looks larger than the 105mm Rodenstock lenses made for
2-1/4 x 3-1/4. They are Tessars and won't get near covering 4x5 or
even the smaller Polaroid frame.
Someone posted that the camera looks grungy and the holders awful,
how in the world can you tell from this photo?

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Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

"Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@ix . net com . com > wrote in message
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> On Mar 19, 7:30 pm, "Bandicoot" <"insert_handle_here"@techemail . com >
> wrote:
> > "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig . com > wrote in
messagenews:slDLh.11584$PL.9523@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink . net ...
> >
> > > > "Alan Browne" <alan.bro...@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
> > > >message news:NUmLh.22192$YK6.254868@wagner.videotron . net
> >
> > > > What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid
> > > > back and 9 negative holders be worth?
> > > > * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
> >
> > > A lot depends on the lens. I don't know of any 105mm/f4.5
> > > Rodenstocks. A normal 105 won't cover 4x5, a wide angle f4.5
> > > ~100mm lens is a ~$700-1,200 proposition.
> >
> > > I would get some clarification - is it a Geronar, Grandagon,
> > > Sinaron, Sironar ...? Is it 105 or is it a 135 or 150.
> >
> > Aren't the 105mm Ysaron and Ysarex both f4.5? Neither of these ought
> > to be worth "$100-$200" though. The Ysarex (corrected for infinity)
> > usually goes for a bit more than the Ysaron (corected for close work).
> >
> > That's not what it looks like in the picture though. Sure it's not a
typo.
> > for 150mm?
> >
> > Peter
>
> The picture is so low rez that its hard to tell what it is but I
> agree that it looks larger than the 105mm Rodenstock lenses made for
> 2-1/4 x 3-1/4. They are Tessars and won't get near covering 4x5 or
> even the smaller Polaroid frame.

I also have a Sironar-N 100mm f5.6 that's designed for 2 1/4 x 3 1/4" but
the picture doesn't look like that either. (Image circle is 147mm, so this
lens doesn't cover 4x5 either, but it does do 6x12 panoramic - very sharp
lens.) Still wondering what thre pictured lens actually is.



Peter

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Alan Browne wrote:
> Pudentame wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and
>>> 9 negative holders be worth?
>>>
>>> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>>>
>>> Reported to be in "good condition".
>
>>
>> Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is there,
>> although I would assume it is (and I'd verify that with the seller).
>>
>> Camera $300 - $650
>> Lens $100 - $200
>> Polaroid Back $50 - $75
>> 9 holders $100 - $150
>>
>> Total: $550 - $1075
>>
>> I'd say near the lower end of the range is more reasonable. I'm sure
>> the seller would prefer the upper end. ;-D
>
> Thanks. He says it's "ready to work with", so I assume the back is there.
>
> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on that.
>
> I just have to find out who can develop 4x5 E-6 for me. If I have to go
> all the way downtown or do it myself, I doubt that I'd go for it. Also
> just bought a Nikon 9000 ED ... which these won't go into...
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
>

Well, I was quoting prices in US dollars, so if he's asking $750 CAD,
you probably oughta' jump on it, even if you do have to go all the way
downtown to get 4x5 E6 processed.

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Pudentame wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Pudentame wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back
>>>> and 9 negative holders be worth?
>>>>
>>>> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>>>>
>>>> Reported to be in "good condition".
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is there,
>>> although I would assume it is (and I'd verify that with the seller).
>>>
>>> Camera $300 - $650
>>> Lens $100 - $200
>>> Polaroid Back $50 - $75
>>> 9 holders $100 - $150
>>>
>>> Total: $550 - $1075
>>>
>>> I'd say near the lower end of the range is more reasonable. I'm sure
>>> the seller would prefer the upper end. ;-D
>>
>>
>> Thanks. He says it's "ready to work with", so I assume the back is
>> there.
>>
>> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on that.
>>
>> I just have to find out who can develop 4x5 E-6 for me. If I have to
>> go all the way downtown or do it myself, I doubt that I'd go for it.
>> Also just bought a Nikon 9000 ED ... which these won't go into...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>
> Well, I was quoting prices in US dollars, so if he's asking $750 CAD,
> you probably oughta' jump on it, even if you do have to go all the way
> downtown to get 4x5 E6 processed.

The CAD$ is only 15% off the US$ so no big deal.

You have no idea what parking is like around the two areas where the
labs can do LF E-6!

I'm not sure I'm all that fired up to try LF anyway. I can rent a
Horseman and find out I suppose...

Cheers,
Alan

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Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
news:V8CNh.20919$cb7.187720@weber.videotron . net ...
> Pudentame wrote:
> > Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> Pudentame wrote:
> >>
> >>> Alan Browne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid
> >>>> back and 9 negative holders be worth?
> >>>>
> >>>> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
> >>>>
> >>>> Reported to be in "good condition".
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Looks like a F1 w/lensboard ... can't see if the back is there,
> >>> although I would assume it is (and I'd verify that with the seller).
> >>>
> >>> Camera $300 - $650
> >>> Lens $100 - $200
> >>> Polaroid Back $50 - $75
> >>> 9 holders $100 - $150
> >>>
> >>> Total: $550 - $1075
> >>>
> >>> I'd say near the lower end of the range is more reasonable. I'm sure
> >>> the seller would prefer the upper end. ;-D
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks. He says it's "ready to work with", so I assume the back is
> >> there.
> >>
> >> He's asking $750 CAD. So seems reasonable. I'll cogitate a bit on
that.
> >>
> >> I just have to find out who can develop 4x5 E-6 for me. If I have to
> >> go all the way downtown or do it myself, I doubt that I'd go for it.
> >> Also just bought a Nikon 9000 ED ... which these won't go into...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Well, I was quoting prices in US dollars, so if he's asking $750 CAD,
> > you probably oughta' jump on it, even if you do have to go all the way
> > downtown to get 4x5 E6 processed.
>
> The CAD$ is only 15% off the US$ so no big deal.
>
> You have no idea what parking is like around the two areas where the
> labs can do LF E-6!
>
> I'm not sure I'm all that fired up to try LF anyway. I can rent a
> Horseman and find out I suppose...
>

If you rent the Horseman, you may well find that you do want to try LF, but
not with the Sinar. My - not necessarily mainstream - view is that the
Sinars are cart-horses: they can work hard all day, maybe not be treated all
that well, and never complain. The Horseman, like my Arcas, is more of a
thouroughbred: lighter, faster, and, while still very tough, they will
probably break if you back your car over them...


Peter

Re: Sinar 4x5 - worth?

Try to get a more exact list.

I sure can't tell much from the picture but if the
Rodenstock is the Ysaron it's not worth much, it's the one
that Polaroid sold for the copy system and may not even
cover 4x5 at infinity.

Film holders? $5-10 bucks each unless new in box. (They
don't look that good in the picture.)

Polaroid holder is the older style.

And the big question: do you need this camera or just want
a 4x5, if you have a specific task for a monorail camera and
can get this for the right price, go for it. If you just
want to play with 4x5 look to a Pacemaker Graphic or Calumet.


darkroommike

Alan Browne wrote:
>
> What would a Sinar 4x5 with Rodenstock 105mm f/4.5, polaroid back and 9
> negative holders be worth?
>
> * w w w .lespac . com /picturebig.php?a=4964179&o=8704205
>
> Reported to be in "good condition".
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>