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cameraz camera
Hi,
I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
would be helpful.
thanks,
Richard
Hi,
I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
would be helpful.
thanks,
Richard
Re: cameraz camera
In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21>,
Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
> Hi,
> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
> would be helpful.
> thanks,
> Richard
Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
--
To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp.
In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21>,
Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
> Hi,
> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
> would be helpful.
> thanks,
> Richard
Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
--
To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp.
Re: cameraz camera
Bob Salomon wrote:
> In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi s21>,
> Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
>> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
>> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
>> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
>> would be helpful.
>> thanks,
>> Richard
>
> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>
Might look to r.p.e.medium-format.
Bob Salomon wrote:
> In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi s21>,
> Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
>> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
>> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
>> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
>> would be helpful.
>> thanks,
>> Richard
>
> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>
Might look to r.p.e.medium-format.
Re: cameraz camera
Pudentame wrote in message <46156701$0$9919$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >...
>Bob Salomon wrote:
>> In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21>,
>> Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
>>> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
>>> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
>>> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
>>> would be helpful.
>>> thanks,
>>> Richard
>>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
>> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
>
>Might look to r.p.e.medium-format.
You remember everything!
I have not read the group recently--perhaps I will
wait until the next meeting--the one about assholes--and make a real effort
to be there.
I'm thinking aobut signing up here for another year. There is something so
right about this place for now.
Pudentame wrote in message <46156701$0$9919$4c368faf@roadrunner . com >...
>Bob Salomon wrote:
>> In article <RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21>,
>> Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format
>>> bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was
>>> wondering if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the
>>> internet to no avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information
>>> would be helpful.
>>> thanks,
>>> Richard
>>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
>> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
>
>Might look to r.p.e.medium-format.
You remember everything!
I have not read the group recently--perhaps I will
wait until the next meeting--the one about assholes--and make a real effort
to be there.
I'm thinking aobut signing up here for another year. There is something so
right about this place for now.
Re: cameraz camera
Bob Salomon wrote:
>
> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>
I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
used for don't you ?
Bob Salomon wrote:
>
> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>
I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
used for don't you ?
Re: cameraz camera
In article <aOdRh.34081$_c5.24013@attbi_s22>,
Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
> >
> > Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> > photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> > studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> > long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
> >
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Suit yourself. I used a Cameraz a long time ago to do exactly to earn a
living doing what I said in my first post.
--
To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp.
In article <aOdRh.34081$_c5.24013@attbi_s22>,
Richard Herbert Johnson <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
> >
> > Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
> > photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
> > studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most used
> > long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
> >
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Suit yourself. I used a Cameraz a long time ago to do exactly to earn a
living doing what I said in my first post.
--
To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp.
Re: cameraz camera
Richard Herbert Johnson spake thus:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most
>> used long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Bob may be a bit terse sometimes, but he knows what he's talking about.
Apparently yours is a medium-format camera, since it's made to take 120
(or thereabouts) roll film. Large format generally means 4x5 inches and
larger.
--
I hope that in a few years it [Wikipedia] will be so bloated that it
will simply disintegrate, because I can't stand the thought that this
thing might someday actually be used as a serious reference source.
Because in its current form, it's not to be taken seriously at all.
- Horst Prillinger (see
* homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/blog/archives/2004/06/000623.html)
Richard Herbert Johnson spake thus:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most
>> used long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Bob may be a bit terse sometimes, but he knows what he's talking about.
Apparently yours is a medium-format camera, since it's made to take 120
(or thereabouts) roll film. Large format generally means 4x5 inches and
larger.
--
I hope that in a few years it [Wikipedia] will be so bloated that it
will simply disintegrate, because I can't stand the thought that this
thing might someday actually be used as a serious reference source.
Because in its current form, it's not to be taken seriously at all.
- Horst Prillinger (see
* homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/blog/archives/2004/06/000623.html)
Re: cameraz camera
Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a
long time and further works for a big importer of all things
photographic including some of the best large format lenses
on the planet (which you would know if you'd been on Usenet
more than twenty minutes). He puts up with a lot of crap
from all of us (and we all know he has an axe to grind for
his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a resource
for all questions photographic. He can be a bit short at
times but you were just plain rude.
These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the
field unless you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
Shutters are electrically fired and many of the cameras
also use electric motors to advance the film. They can be a
PITA to load and unload without a big changing bag or a
darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm (or wider)
film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of
emulsions today would probably begin and end with Kodak and
Fuji color negative, the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll
need some sort or long roll processing rig to process and
print the negatives. In all respects this is the exact
antithesis of a large format camera, which can be used to
expose film under almost any conditions in the field,
individual sheets of film can be processed and printed to
exacting standards (Zone System, etc.).
To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit
in place of the long roll magazines for a graflok back or
other contrivance that permit ground glass viewing and use
of regular roll film backs. These were employed for focus
checking and test work (and the occasional job that was too
small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one
(expensive but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know
anything about your skill level but you original question
didn't inspired any confidence in your DIY talents.
Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years
with different lenses, most of the lenses would not cover
4x5 but you can Google to find the image circle of the
lenses on your system. If they do cover (possible) they are
probably Tessar derivations with little or no excess
coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm Raptar
telephoto which will just barely cover (I've been told).
Tele lenses rarely, if ever, require big view camera type
corrections. And portrait lenses never do. The Raptar is
going onto my Speed Graphic when I find the time. Probably
used with a 6x9 roll film back.
Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an
Omega View D for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need
only add a lens and tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>>"...but I am not stupid."
rude and stupid
>>"I asked for information on the lens."
stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens
is currently attached to this monster since lenses do
interchange.
>>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
darkroommike
Richard Herbert Johnson wrote:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
>>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most
>> used long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a
long time and further works for a big importer of all things
photographic including some of the best large format lenses
on the planet (which you would know if you'd been on Usenet
more than twenty minutes). He puts up with a lot of crap
from all of us (and we all know he has an axe to grind for
his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a resource
for all questions photographic. He can be a bit short at
times but you were just plain rude.
These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the
field unless you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
Shutters are electrically fired and many of the cameras
also use electric motors to advance the film. They can be a
PITA to load and unload without a big changing bag or a
darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm (or wider)
film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of
emulsions today would probably begin and end with Kodak and
Fuji color negative, the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll
need some sort or long roll processing rig to process and
print the negatives. In all respects this is the exact
antithesis of a large format camera, which can be used to
expose film under almost any conditions in the field,
individual sheets of film can be processed and printed to
exacting standards (Zone System, etc.).
To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit
in place of the long roll magazines for a graflok back or
other contrivance that permit ground glass viewing and use
of regular roll film backs. These were employed for focus
checking and test work (and the occasional job that was too
small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one
(expensive but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know
anything about your skill level but you original question
didn't inspired any confidence in your DIY talents.
Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years
with different lenses, most of the lenses would not cover
4x5 but you can Google to find the image circle of the
lenses on your system. If they do cover (possible) they are
probably Tessar derivations with little or no excess
coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm Raptar
telephoto which will just barely cover (I've been told).
Tele lenses rarely, if ever, require big view camera type
corrections. And portrait lenses never do. The Raptar is
going onto my Speed Graphic when I find the time. Probably
used with a 6x9 roll film back.
Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an
Omega View D for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need
only add a lens and tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>>"...but I am not stupid."
rude and stupid
>>"I asked for information on the lens."
stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens
is currently attached to this monster since lenses do
interchange.
>>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
darkroommike
Richard Herbert Johnson wrote:
> Bob Salomon wrote:
>>
>> Cameraz made long roll portrait cameras that were used by school
>> photographers and were fairly common in some production portrait
>> studios. They have no application to large format photography. Most
>> used long roll 35mm or 70mm film.
>>
> I have the camera, I know what it was used for. The bellows is 5 3/4"
> by 7 " . It can extend up to 10 inches from the focal plane. It has
> potential to be anything I chose it to be. What are you , an armchair
> photographer who doesn't know a screwdriver from a hack saw ? I am a man
> of modest means trying to build something with what I have but I am not
> stupid. I asked for information on the lens. You do know what a lens is
> used for don't you ?
Re: cameraz camera
darkroommike wrote:
> Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a long time and
> further works for a big importer of all things photographic including
> some of the best large format lenses on the planet (which you would know
> if you'd been on Usenet more than twenty minutes). He puts up with a
> lot of crap from all of us (and we all know he has an axe to grind for
> his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a resource for all
> questions photographic. He can be a bit short at times but you were
> just plain rude.
I was justifiably annoyed at his curt response that did not even address
my question.
>
> These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the field unless
> you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using
the camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
Shutters are
> electrically fired
I know the shutter is electrically fired. What I need to know is what
the various pins are on the standard db 9 connector used. (There are 4
pins used out of 9)
and many of the cameras also use electric motors to
> advance the film. They can be a PITA to load and unload without a big
> changing bag or a darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm (or
> wider) film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of emulsions
> today would probably begin and end with Kodak and Fuji color negative,
> the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll need some sort or long roll
> processing rig to process and print the negatives. In all respects this
> is the exact antithesis of a large format camera, which can be used to
> expose film under almost any conditions in the field, individual sheets
> of film can be processed and printed to exacting standards (Zone System,
> etc.).
I have already torn off all of the antiquated electrical stuff. I am
using the base camera because it is solid and well machined. I need
something that is heavy and stable. I am using the parts I already have
because I am having fun doing it and I can feel good about not wasting
resources.
>
> To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit in place of
> the long roll magazines for a graflok back or other contrivance that
> permit ground glass viewing and use of regular roll film backs.
These
> were employed for focus checking and test work (and the occasional job
> that was too small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
> outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one (expensive
> but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know anything about your
> skill level but you original question didn't inspired any confidence in
> your DIY talents.
>
> Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years with different
> lenses, most of the lenses would not cover 4x5 but you can Google to
> find the image circle of the lenses on your system. If they do cover
> (possible) they are probably Tessar derivations with little or no excess
> coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm Raptar telephoto
> which will just barely cover (I've been told). Tele lenses rarely, if
> ever, require big view camera type corrections. And portrait lenses
> never do. The Raptar is going onto my Speed Graphic when I find the
> time. Probably used with a 6x9 roll film back.
>
> Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an Omega View D
> for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need only add a lens and
> tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>
> >>"...but I am not stupid."
> rude and stupid
>
> >>"I asked for information on the lens."
> stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens is currently
> attached to this monster since lenses do interchange.
not true. this lens only fits this camera. The whole module is designed
to plug into the db9 connector on the camera to provide the control
signals for the shutter and iris. The lens elements can be changed but
the shutter and iris is an integral part of the design of the camera.
Being a SLR it is designed with some features that would not be possible
with a standard view camera . (Anyone who has taken one of these
"Monsters" apart would know what I am talking about)
>
> >>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
> rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
>
> darkroommike
Like I said before, I am not stupid. Just because I am not a
professional does not mean that I have no intelligence. I asked a
specific question about the camera. I did not ask for opinions
concerning the use of the camera. None of you seem to get that. Who is
stupid ?
And who is rude ? All I wanted was help with a simple problem. Instead I
get jumped on by a bunch of arrogant know it alls that don't want to
admit that they don't know.
darkroommike wrote:
> Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a long time and
> further works for a big importer of all things photographic including
> some of the best large format lenses on the planet (which you would know
> if you'd been on Usenet more than twenty minutes). He puts up with a
> lot of crap from all of us (and we all know he has an axe to grind for
> his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a resource for all
> questions photographic. He can be a bit short at times but you were
> just plain rude.
I was justifiably annoyed at his curt response that did not even address
my question.
>
> These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the field unless
> you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using
the camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
Shutters are
> electrically fired
I know the shutter is electrically fired. What I need to know is what
the various pins are on the standard db 9 connector used. (There are 4
pins used out of 9)
and many of the cameras also use electric motors to
> advance the film. They can be a PITA to load and unload without a big
> changing bag or a darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm (or
> wider) film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of emulsions
> today would probably begin and end with Kodak and Fuji color negative,
> the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll need some sort or long roll
> processing rig to process and print the negatives. In all respects this
> is the exact antithesis of a large format camera, which can be used to
> expose film under almost any conditions in the field, individual sheets
> of film can be processed and printed to exacting standards (Zone System,
> etc.).
I have already torn off all of the antiquated electrical stuff. I am
using the base camera because it is solid and well machined. I need
something that is heavy and stable. I am using the parts I already have
because I am having fun doing it and I can feel good about not wasting
resources.
>
> To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit in place of
> the long roll magazines for a graflok back or other contrivance that
> permit ground glass viewing and use of regular roll film backs.
These
> were employed for focus checking and test work (and the occasional job
> that was too small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
> outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one (expensive
> but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know anything about your
> skill level but you original question didn't inspired any confidence in
> your DIY talents.
>
> Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years with different
> lenses, most of the lenses would not cover 4x5 but you can Google to
> find the image circle of the lenses on your system. If they do cover
> (possible) they are probably Tessar derivations with little or no excess
> coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm Raptar telephoto
> which will just barely cover (I've been told). Tele lenses rarely, if
> ever, require big view camera type corrections. And portrait lenses
> never do. The Raptar is going onto my Speed Graphic when I find the
> time. Probably used with a 6x9 roll film back.
>
> Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an Omega View D
> for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need only add a lens and
> tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>
> >>"...but I am not stupid."
> rude and stupid
>
> >>"I asked for information on the lens."
> stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens is currently
> attached to this monster since lenses do interchange.
not true. this lens only fits this camera. The whole module is designed
to plug into the db9 connector on the camera to provide the control
signals for the shutter and iris. The lens elements can be changed but
the shutter and iris is an integral part of the design of the camera.
Being a SLR it is designed with some features that would not be possible
with a standard view camera . (Anyone who has taken one of these
"Monsters" apart would know what I am talking about)
>
> >>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
> rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
>
> darkroommike
Like I said before, I am not stupid. Just because I am not a
professional does not mean that I have no intelligence. I asked a
specific question about the camera. I did not ask for opinions
concerning the use of the camera. None of you seem to get that. Who is
stupid ?
And who is rude ? All I wanted was help with a simple problem. Instead I
get jumped on by a bunch of arrogant know it alls that don't want to
admit that they don't know.
Re: cameraz camera
RHJ, the OP:
>>>I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format bug.
>>>I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was wondering
>>>if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the internet to no
>>>avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information would be helpful.
>> [information provided, advice given, opinions opinioned...]
RHJ, again:
> Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using the
> camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
Announcing "I am new ... I have just been bitten...any info",
is different from "I am building myself an optical bench on a
shoestring. Anyone have the pin-out for a Cameraz xxxx lens
assembly?"
Calm down, try again. A fit of apoplexy, and a tendency to make
a fool of oneself, is the usual induction into Usenet.
RHJ, the OP:
>>>I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the large format bug.
>>>I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a electronic lens and I was wondering
>>>if anyone has any information on it. I've searched the internet to no
>>>avail. I am attempting to modify it and any information would be helpful.
>> [information provided, advice given, opinions opinioned...]
RHJ, again:
> Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using the
> camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
Announcing "I am new ... I have just been bitten...any info",
is different from "I am building myself an optical bench on a
shoestring. Anyone have the pin-out for a Cameraz xxxx lens
assembly?"
Calm down, try again. A fit of apoplexy, and a tendency to make
a fool of oneself, is the usual induction into Usenet.
Re: cameraz camera
Oh so you're getting snippy with all of us for not answering
questions YOU DIDN'T ASK in you original post.
Entire text of original post quoted:
"I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the
large format bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a
electronic lens and I was wondering if anyone has any
information on it. I've searched the internet to no avail. I
am attempting to modify it and any information would be
helpful."
"large format bug" usually implies (without modifier) use
of a view camera in the studio or field.
"I am wondering if anyone has any information on it" we
supplied you with a lot of information but were not able to
address you specific inquiry because you did not make a
specific inquiry just asked for any information...
To assist you with your original question, if this camera is
a Camerz (not Cameraz--see subject line of original post,
you can contact * w w w .photo-control . com / for pinouts,
manuals, etc.
"I've searched the internet to no avail." I found a URL for
Photo Control Camerz on Google within 20 seconds.
"I am attempting to modify it and any information would be
helpful." Again no clue as to how you are planning to
modify the camera so again from you original post we all
assumed it had something to do with large format
photography, and we supplied you with a lot of information.
darkroommike
Richard Herbert Johnson wrote:
> darkroommike wrote:
>> Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a long time
>> and further works for a big importer of all things photographic
>> including some of the best large format lenses on the planet (which
>> you would know if you'd been on Usenet more than twenty minutes). He
>> puts up with a lot of crap from all of us (and we all know he has an
>> axe to grind for his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a
>> resource for all questions photographic. He can be a bit short at
>> times but you were just plain rude.
>
> I was justifiably annoyed at his curt response that did not even address
> my question.
>>
>> These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the field
>> unless you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
> Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using
> the camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
> Shutters are
>> electrically fired
> I know the shutter is electrically fired. What I need to know is what
> the various pins are on the standard db 9 connector used. (There are 4
> pins used out of 9)
> and many of the cameras also use electric motors to
>> advance the film. They can be a PITA to load and unload without a big
>> changing bag or a darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm
>> (or wider) film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of
>> emulsions today would probably begin and end with Kodak and Fuji color
>> negative, the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll need some sort or long
>> roll processing rig to process and print the negatives. In all
>> respects this is the exact antithesis of a large format camera, which
>> can be used to expose film under almost any conditions in the field,
>> individual sheets of film can be processed and printed to exacting
>> standards (Zone System, etc.).
>
> I have already torn off all of the antiquated electrical stuff. I am
> using the base camera because it is solid and well machined. I need
> something that is heavy and stable. I am using the parts I already have
> because I am having fun doing it and I can feel good about not wasting
> resources.
>>
>> To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit in place of
>> the long roll magazines for a graflok back or other contrivance that
>> permit ground glass viewing and use of regular roll film backs.
>
> These
>> were employed for focus checking and test work (and the occasional job
>> that was too small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
>> outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one
>> (expensive but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know anything
>> about your skill level but you original question didn't inspired any
>> confidence in your DIY talents.
>>
>> Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years with
>> different lenses, most of the lenses would not cover 4x5 but you can
>> Google to find the image circle of the lenses on your system. If they
>> do cover (possible) they are probably Tessar derivations with little
>> or no excess coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm
>> Raptar telephoto which will just barely cover (I've been told). Tele
>> lenses rarely, if ever, require big view camera type corrections. And
>> portrait lenses never do. The Raptar is going onto my Speed Graphic
>> when I find the time. Probably used with a 6x9 roll film back.
>>
>> Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an Omega View
>> D for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need only add a lens and
>> tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>>
>> >>"...but I am not stupid."
>> rude and stupid
>>
>> >>"I asked for information on the lens."
>> stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens is
>> currently attached to this monster since lenses do interchange.
> not true. this lens only fits this camera. The whole module is designed
> to plug into the db9 connector on the camera to provide the control
> signals for the shutter and iris. The lens elements can be changed but
> the shutter and iris is an integral part of the design of the camera.
> Being a SLR it is designed with some features that would not be possible
> with a standard view camera . (Anyone who has taken one of these
> "Monsters" apart would know what I am talking about)
>>
>> >>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
>> rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
>>
>> darkroommike
>
> Like I said before, I am not stupid. Just because I am not a
> professional does not mean that I have no intelligence. I asked a
> specific question about the camera. I did not ask for opinions
> concerning the use of the camera. None of you seem to get that. Who is
> stupid ?
>
> And who is rude ? All I wanted was help with a simple problem. Instead I
> get jumped on by a bunch of arrogant know it alls that don't want to
> admit that they don't know.
Oh so you're getting snippy with all of us for not answering
questions YOU DIDN'T ASK in you original post.
Entire text of original post quoted:
"I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the
large format bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a
electronic lens and I was wondering if anyone has any
information on it. I've searched the internet to no avail. I
am attempting to modify it and any information would be
helpful."
"large format bug" usually implies (without modifier) use
of a view camera in the studio or field.
"I am wondering if anyone has any information on it" we
supplied you with a lot of information but were not able to
address you specific inquiry because you did not make a
specific inquiry just asked for any information...
To assist you with your original question, if this camera is
a Camerz (not Cameraz--see subject line of original post,
you can contact * w w w .photo-control . com / for pinouts,
manuals, etc.
"I've searched the internet to no avail." I found a URL for
Photo Control Camerz on Google within 20 seconds.
"I am attempting to modify it and any information would be
helpful." Again no clue as to how you are planning to
modify the camera so again from you original post we all
assumed it had something to do with large format
photography, and we supplied you with a lot of information.
darkroommike
Richard Herbert Johnson wrote:
> darkroommike wrote:
>> Bob has been in this business man and boy for a hell of a long time
>> and further works for a big importer of all things photographic
>> including some of the best large format lenses on the planet (which
>> you would know if you'd been on Usenet more than twenty minutes). He
>> puts up with a lot of crap from all of us (and we all know he has an
>> axe to grind for his paymasters (grin)) but is also one hell of a
>> resource for all questions photographic. He can be a bit short at
>> times but you were just plain rude.
>
> I was justifiably annoyed at his curt response that did not even address
> my question.
>>
>> These old long roll cameras are practically useless in the field
>> unless you plan on packing a very long extension cord.
> Who said I was going to use it in the field? I am interested in using
> the camera as a testbed for experimenting in my lab.
> Shutters are
>> electrically fired
> I know the shutter is electrically fired. What I need to know is what
> the various pins are on the standard db 9 connector used. (There are 4
> pins used out of 9)
> and many of the cameras also use electric motors to
>> advance the film. They can be a PITA to load and unload without a big
>> changing bag or a darkroom, they use long rolls of 35mm, 46mm, 70mm
>> (or wider) film. And they weigh a flippin' ton. Your choices of
>> emulsions today would probably begin and end with Kodak and Fuji color
>> negative, the film is in 100 foot rolls, you'll need some sort or long
>> roll processing rig to process and print the negatives. In all
>> respects this is the exact antithesis of a large format camera, which
>> can be used to expose film under almost any conditions in the field,
>> individual sheets of film can be processed and printed to exacting
>> standards (Zone System, etc.).
>
> I have already torn off all of the antiquated electrical stuff. I am
> using the base camera because it is solid and well machined. I need
> something that is heavy and stable. I am using the parts I already have
> because I am having fun doing it and I can feel good about not wasting
> resources.
>>
>> To be fair I should add that I have seen adapters that fit in place of
>> the long roll magazines for a graflok back or other contrivance that
>> permit ground glass viewing and use of regular roll film backs.
>
> These
>> were employed for focus checking and test work (and the occasional job
>> that was too small to justify loading up 100 feet of film.) If your
>> outfit did not come with the back you could probably buy one
>> (expensive but try Photo Control) or make one. I don't know anything
>> about your skill level but you original question didn't inspired any
>> confidence in your DIY talents.
>>
>> Camerez produced a lot of different models over the years with
>> different lenses, most of the lenses would not cover 4x5 but you can
>> Google to find the image circle of the lenses on your system. If they
>> do cover (possible) they are probably Tessar derivations with little
>> or no excess coverage or telephoto designs like my Wollensak 254mm
>> Raptar telephoto which will just barely cover (I've been told). Tele
>> lenses rarely, if ever, require big view camera type corrections. And
>> portrait lenses never do. The Raptar is going onto my Speed Graphic
>> when I find the time. Probably used with a 6x9 roll film back.
>>
>> Why not start with something easier? This week I bought an Omega View
>> D for $68 and a Graphic View for $56.00. I need only add a lens and
>> tripod to either and I'm good to go.
>>
>> >>"...but I am not stupid."
>> rude and stupid
>>
>> >>"I asked for information on the lens."
>> stupid again, would have been useful to tell us which lens is
>> currently attached to this monster since lenses do interchange.
> not true. this lens only fits this camera. The whole module is designed
> to plug into the db9 connector on the camera to provide the control
> signals for the shutter and iris. The lens elements can be changed but
> the shutter and iris is an integral part of the design of the camera.
> Being a SLR it is designed with some features that would not be possible
> with a standard view camera . (Anyone who has taken one of these
> "Monsters" apart would know what I am talking about)
>>
>> >>"You do know what a lens is used for don't you?"
>> rude and stupid again, Bob sells lenses for a living
>>
>> darkroommike
>
> Like I said before, I am not stupid. Just because I am not a
> professional does not mean that I have no intelligence. I asked a
> specific question about the camera. I did not ask for opinions
> concerning the use of the camera. None of you seem to get that. Who is
> stupid ?
>
> And who is rude ? All I wanted was help with a simple problem. Instead I
> get jumped on by a bunch of arrogant know it alls that don't want to
> admit that they don't know.
Re: cameraz camera
Well this is a very unusual thread to find in large format land. I
don't have the pin out for the shutter but I do have a complete
working set-up of the Camerz SLR 35mm long crop format with
instructions and case. It can be yours (or anybody's) for the cost of
the shipping and handling. It served me well in the mid nineties of
the last century and I don't think I can keep it long enough for it to
become an antique. So write me at sfhilary@verizon . net if you would
like it.
Hilary
Well this is a very unusual thread to find in large format land. I
don't have the pin out for the shutter but I do have a complete
working set-up of the Camerz SLR 35mm long crop format with
instructions and case. It can be yours (or anybody's) for the cost of
the shipping and handling. It served me well in the mid nineties of
the last century and I don't think I can keep it long enough for it to
become an antique. So write me at sfhilary@verizon . net if you would
like it.
Hilary
Re: cameraz camera
"Richard Herbert Johnson" <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote in
message news:RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21...
> Hi,
> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the
> large format bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a
> electronic lens and I was wondering if anyone has any
> information on it. I've searched the internet to no avail.
> I am attempting to modify it and any information would be
> helpful.
> thanks,
> Richard
By electronic lens are you referring to the shutter? If
its a Compur electric shutter you may be able to get some
information about it from the Steve Grimes site at
* w w w .skgrimes . com I belive Ilex also made electric
shutters. I do not have specific information about either
but think its available.
Also, check with John S. Craig at
* w w w .craigcamera . com to see if he has any instruction
books for the camera or shutter.
--
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix . net com . com
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from * w w w .teranews . com
"Richard Herbert Johnson" <rhjohnson6@mchsi . com > wrote in
message news:RCaRh.34598$oV.23475@attbi_s21...
> Hi,
> I am new to this group. I have just been bitten by the
> large format bug. I have a camerz dsl camera. It has a
> electronic lens and I was wondering if anyone has any
> information on it. I've searched the internet to no avail.
> I am attempting to modify it and any information would be
> helpful.
> thanks,
> Richard
By electronic lens are you referring to the shutter? If
its a Compur electric shutter you may be able to get some
information about it from the Steve Grimes site at
* w w w .skgrimes . com I belive Ilex also made electric
shutters. I do not have specific information about either
but think its available.
Also, check with John S. Craig at
* w w w .craigcamera . com to see if he has any instruction
books for the camera or shutter.
--
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix . net com . com
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from * w w w .teranews . com
