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Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
Greetings all:
I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
everything.
Thanks in advance.
Brian
Greetings all:
I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
everything.
Thanks in advance.
Brian
Re: Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
BVStaples spake thus:
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
Sorry I can't answer your other questions, but on this one, keep in mind
that among other uses, sodium sulfite is used for preparing food (dried
fruit, for example), so it's very safe to dispose of it down the drain.
--
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of use of the word "fuck" is incapable of writing a good summary
and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
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- Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
( * users.erols . com /mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
BVStaples spake thus:
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
Sorry I can't answer your other questions, but on this one, keep in mind
that among other uses, sodium sulfite is used for preparing food (dried
fruit, for example), so it's very safe to dispose of it down the drain.
--
Any system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order
of use of the word "fuck" is incapable of writing a good summary
and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa.
This is an inviolable rule.
- Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site
( * users.erols . com /mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
Re: Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
BVStaples wrote:
> Greetings all:
>
> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
would even notice.
It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brian
>
--
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BVStaples wrote:
> Greetings all:
>
> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
would even notice.
It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brian
>
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey * counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:05:01 up 82 days, 19:34, 3 users, load average: 4.57, 4.24, 4.16
Re: Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
On May 10, 7:09 am, Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon . net > wrote:
> BVStaples wrote:
> > Greetings all:
>
> > I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> > requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> > about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
> > First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> > same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> > depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> > and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>
> When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
> to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
> negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
> over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>
>
>
> > Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> > who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> > everything.
>
> Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
> home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
> would even notice.
>
> It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
> Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
> drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
> you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>
>
>
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> > Brian
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey * counter.li.org
> ^^-^^ 08:05:01 up 82 days, 19:34, 3 users, load average: 4.57, 4.24, 4.16
No. it is technically toxic because it turns the hemoglobin in your
erythrocytes into methylhemoglobin which does not carry oxygen well.
When a person who is blue (and still alive) turns up to the E.R., the
routine way of treating them is to give them methylene blue, which
paradoxically is also blue, but demethylates hemoglobin.
You could neutralize your sodium sulfite with hydrogen peroxide
solution, or rusty steel wool, or expose it to air in the sunlight for
a few days.
David
On May 10, 7:09 am, Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon . net > wrote:
> BVStaples wrote:
> > Greetings all:
>
> > I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> > requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> > about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
> > First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> > same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> > depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> > and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>
> When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
> to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
> negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
> over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>
>
>
> > Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> > who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> > everything.
>
> Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
> home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
> would even notice.
>
> It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
> Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
> drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
> you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>
>
>
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> > Brian
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey * counter.li.org
> ^^-^^ 08:05:01 up 82 days, 19:34, 3 users, load average: 4.57, 4.24, 4.16
No. it is technically toxic because it turns the hemoglobin in your
erythrocytes into methylhemoglobin which does not carry oxygen well.
When a person who is blue (and still alive) turns up to the E.R., the
routine way of treating them is to give them methylene blue, which
paradoxically is also blue, but demethylates hemoglobin.
You could neutralize your sodium sulfite with hydrogen peroxide
solution, or rusty steel wool, or expose it to air in the sunlight for
a few days.
David
Re: Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
chorleydnc@hotmail . com wrote:
> On May 10, 7:09 am, Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon . net > wrote:
>> BVStaples wrote:
>>> Greetings all:
>>> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
>>> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
>>> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>>> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
>>> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
>>> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
>>> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>> When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
>> to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
>> negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
>> over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
>>> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
>>> everything.
>> Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
>> home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
>> would even notice.
>>
>> It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
>> Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
>> drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
>> you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Brian
>
> No. it is technically toxic because it turns the hemoglobin in your
> erythrocytes into methylhemoglobin which does not carry oxygen well.
> When a person who is blue (and still alive) turns up to the E.R., the
> routine way of treating them is to give them methylene blue, which
> paradoxically is also blue, but demethylates hemoglobin.
> You could neutralize your sodium sulfite with hydrogen peroxide
> solution, or rusty steel wool, or expose it to air in the sunlight for
> a few days.
>
> David
>
What I meant was that sodium sulfite is allowed as a food additive in USA.
The dose makes the poison.
You could oxidize it any number of ways into sodium sulphate, but in
home-use quantities, it is probably not worth the bother. I suppose you
could use sodium permanganate as well, but you would wish to use the right
amount. One reason you do not want to keep hypo-clear solutions too long is
that they oxidize to sodium sulphate anyway (because of the oxygen they
absorb from the air).
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey * counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:25:01 up 85 days, 19:54, 3 users, load average: 4.16, 4.14, 4.18
chorleydnc@hotmail . com wrote:
> On May 10, 7:09 am, Jean-David Beyer <jeandav...@verizon . net > wrote:
>> BVStaples wrote:
>>> Greetings all:
>>> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
>>> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
>>> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>>> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
>>> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
>>> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
>>> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>> When you use it, scuzzy stuff comes off the negative, that usually settles
>> to the bottom. But not all of it. Eventually, it may redeposit on the
>> negatives. Just before that happens ;-) , replace it. I would not keep it
>> over a day because the stuff oxidizes into sodium sulphate that is less useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
>>> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
>>> everything.
>> Dumping it down the drain increases the oxygen demand of the effluent, but
>> home users probably do not dump enough that the sewage treatment plants
>> would even notice.
>>
>> It is technically non toxic, but I strongly advise against drinking it.
>> Causes asthma attacks in some people, and IIRC, you can turn blue if you
>> drink enough of it. Recall that even table salt will kill you very soon if
>> you consume too much of it. The dose makes the poison.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Brian
>
> No. it is technically toxic because it turns the hemoglobin in your
> erythrocytes into methylhemoglobin which does not carry oxygen well.
> When a person who is blue (and still alive) turns up to the E.R., the
> routine way of treating them is to give them methylene blue, which
> paradoxically is also blue, but demethylates hemoglobin.
> You could neutralize your sodium sulfite with hydrogen peroxide
> solution, or rusty steel wool, or expose it to air in the sunlight for
> a few days.
>
> David
>
What I meant was that sodium sulfite is allowed as a food additive in USA.
The dose makes the poison.
You could oxidize it any number of ways into sodium sulphate, but in
home-use quantities, it is probably not worth the bother. I suppose you
could use sodium permanganate as well, but you would wish to use the right
amount. One reason you do not want to keep hypo-clear solutions too long is
that they oxidize to sodium sulphate anyway (because of the oxygen they
absorb from the air).
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey * counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:25:01 up 85 days, 19:54, 3 users, load average: 4.16, 4.14, 4.18
Re: Everything I've always wanted to know about sodium sulfite but was afraid to ask...
In article <1178764356.192287.276670@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com >,
BVStaples <bvstaples@sbcglobal . net > wrote:
> Greetings all:
>
> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
Did you try here?: * w w w .largeformatphotography.info/forum/
> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>
I'm trying to remember where, but I vaguely remember that I read that 2l
of the stuff is good for up to 100 sheets of type 55.
I got a 2.5l bottle and a filtered funnel to store my sodium sulfite
solution and I've used it for about 20 sheets and, besides becoming
increasingly purple in color, it seems to work fine.
I got a Yankee developing tank with a broken top for cheap (that being
free) that works well for clearing the negatives. They're very very
easily scratched, so be careful when handling them. Also, rinse with at
least room-temperature water, not cold, it'll get the last of the gel
goo off easier.
Here's an alternate view to processing and storing type 55 that looks
interesting:
* w w w .cameraartist . com /words/2006/07/how_i_shoot_polaroid_55_pn.html
I don't know why perma wash would be any better than sodium sulfite.
Otherwise, what he says about cotton gloves and careful handling is
quite right. I might try the perma wash after my current batch of sodium
sulfite is used up, as it might be easier to store.
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
I botched my first solution of sodium sulfite (when they say dissolve in
warm water and stir slowly, they mean it!) and just poured it down the
drain.
Drew
--
Drew W. Saunders
dru (at) stanford (dot) eee dee you
In article <1178764356.192287.276670@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups . com >,
BVStaples <bvstaples@sbcglobal . net > wrote:
> Greetings all:
>
> I recently picked up a Polaroid 545 and some film, along with the
> requisite sodium sulfite and other goodies, and I have some questions
> about the sodium sulfite, but cannot find the answers anywhere!
>
Did you try here?: * w w w .largeformatphotography.info/forum/
> First, is whatever I put in the tray a one-shot use, or can I use the
> same solution for multiple negatives? How do I know when it's
> depleted? If it's a one use situation, so be it. I do plan on shooting
> and then coming home to process, rather than develop in the field.
>
I'm trying to remember where, but I vaguely remember that I read that 2l
of the stuff is good for up to 100 sheets of type 55.
I got a 2.5l bottle and a filtered funnel to store my sodium sulfite
solution and I've used it for about 20 sheets and, besides becoming
increasingly purple in color, it seems to work fine.
I got a Yankee developing tank with a broken top for cheap (that being
free) that works well for clearing the negatives. They're very very
easily scratched, so be careful when handling them. Also, rinse with at
least room-temperature water, not cold, it'll get the last of the gel
goo off easier.
Here's an alternate view to processing and storing type 55 that looks
interesting:
* w w w .cameraartist . com /words/2006/07/how_i_shoot_polaroid_55_pn.html
I don't know why perma wash would be any better than sodium sulfite.
Otherwise, what he says about cotton gloves and careful handling is
quite right. I might try the perma wash after my current batch of sodium
sulfite is used up, as it might be easier to store.
> Second, once used, what's the proper disposal method? I have friends
> who pour everything down the drain, and then those who recyle
> everything.
I botched my first solution of sodium sulfite (when they say dissolve in
warm water and stir slowly, they mean it!) and just poured it down the
drain.
Drew
--
Drew W. Saunders
dru (at) stanford (dot) eee dee you
