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Old Polaroid backs/holders.

Reply from: furles@mail.croydon.ac.uk
Date: 27 May 2007, 15:09
Old Polaroid backs/holders.

I have a few questions that I hope somebody may be able to answer.

Firstly, I have one of the original Graflex 'Polaroid Land Film Back',
complete with the gauge for setting the front standard back from the
infinity stops, and even the extended ground glass panel which could
be attached to the rear of the camera. I bought this several years
ago to add to the collection, but I've never really looked at it until
now, and I've only just worked out how to open it. I've used both
sheet and pack Polaroid film, but I cannot work out how this old roll
system worked; I've never even seen a roll film, I do have one, but
it's still sealed, and I want to keep it that way.

The back seems to be basically a standard folding Polaroid camera of
the era (heavy) with the front removed, and a Graflok type mounting
plate fitted in its place. There is a recess in the centre of the
top; is this where the viewfinder was fitted in the complete camera?
There's also a smaller recess to the left of this, with what looks
like a blanked off slot, what was this for? I assume that it's
something else that was used on the complete camera, but not on the
Graflex version.

There's a curved metal flap at the right-hand end, which covers a
slot. The right two-thirds or so of the back is a flap, which can be
opened, but the inside of it doesn't look like a pressure plate, it's
got ridges on it. Also, there's solid metal be hind it, so the film
couldn't be exposed here. There's a round button, which seems to be
referred to as the 'film release', and the notes inside the flap
mention the 'cutter', but I can't see where this is.

If I remove the darkslide then I can release a small catch, and the
whole of the back (the back of the back, if you see what I mean,
opens, to reveal a space which looks like it could hold a roll, and a
pair of processing rollers. The part which was underneath the first
flap, with one of the rollers attached to it, can now be opened, hinge
in the right, to reveal an empty spool at the right end, with no means
of driving it, so I assume that it's a feed spool.

Now I can see the exposure aperture, and the pressure plate, which is
attached to the part that I just opened. Were there two separate
spools, one for the negative, and one for the print? If so, it looks
like the negative may have fed from the small spool on the right,
across the exposure aperture, then turned back around the lower
processing roller, and brought into contact with the print material
fed from a roll in the space on the left. In this case where did the
developer come from? Surely they didn't roll up the strip on print
material with pods attached to it at intervals, did they? I assume
that the small curved flap covering the slot at the right-hand end is
where the material comes out, but what is the large flap in the back
for? Did the development take place here, or outside the back? Did
you pull something out of the slot to bring the two materials into
contact, and then pull again to get the print and negative out of the
back, or did you open the large flap, and peel the print off the
negative there?

I've read that the model 500 sheet film holder can be used with
current sheet film, but that care has to be taken not to pull the
packet out too far, as there is nothing to stop it coming right out,
as there is in the 545 and later holders. Was it always like this, or
was there a different type of sheet film available at one time? If
there was, how did it differ from the current type?

Finally, when were the roll, pack and sheet systems introduced, and
when was the roll material discontinued? There seem to be holders for
all three systems of considerable age, so it looks like all three were
in concurrent use for a considerable time.


Reply from: Bob Salomon
Date: 27 May 2007, 16:44
Re: Old Polaroid backs/holders.

In article <1180271351.564696.124170@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups . com >,
furles@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:

> I have a few questions that I hope somebody may be able to answer.
>
> Firstly, I have one of the original Graflex 'Polaroid Land Film Back',
> complete with the gauge for setting the front standard back from the
> infinity stops, and even the extended ground glass panel which could
> be attached to the rear of the camera. I bought this several years
> ago to add to the collection, but I've never really looked at it until
> now, and I've only just worked out how to open it. I've used both
> sheet and pack Polaroid film, but I cannot work out how this old roll
> system worked; I've never even seen a roll film, I do have one, but
> it's still sealed, and I want to keep it that way.
>
> The back seems to be basically a standard folding Polaroid camera of
> the era (heavy) with the front removed, and a Graflok type mounting
> plate fitted in its place. There is a recess in the centre of the
> top; is this where the viewfinder was fitted in the complete camera?
> There's also a smaller recess to the left of this, with what looks
> like a blanked off slot, what was this for? I assume that it's
> something else that was used on the complete camera, but not on the
> Graflex version.
>
> There's a curved metal flap at the right-hand end, which covers a
> slot. The right two-thirds or so of the back is a flap, which can be
> opened, but the inside of it doesn't look like a pressure plate, it's
> got ridges on it. Also, there's solid metal be hind it, so the film
> couldn't be exposed here. There's a round button, which seems to be
> referred to as the 'film release', and the notes inside the flap
> mention the 'cutter', but I can't see where this is.
>
> If I remove the darkslide then I can release a small catch, and the
> whole of the back (the back of the back, if you see what I mean,
> opens, to reveal a space which looks like it could hold a roll, and a
> pair of processing rollers. The part which was underneath the first
> flap, with one of the rollers attached to it, can now be opened, hinge
> in the right, to reveal an empty spool at the right end, with no means
> of driving it, so I assume that it's a feed spool.
>
> Now I can see the exposure aperture, and the pressure plate, which is
> attached to the part that I just opened. Were there two separate
> spools, one for the negative, and one for the print? If so, it looks
> like the negative may have fed from the small spool on the right,
> across the exposure aperture, then turned back around the lower
> processing roller, and brought into contact with the print material
> fed from a roll in the space on the left. In this case where did the
> developer come from? Surely they didn't roll up the strip on print
> material with pods attached to it at intervals, did they? I assume
> that the small curved flap covering the slot at the right-hand end is
> where the material comes out, but what is the large flap in the back
> for? Did the development take place here, or outside the back? Did
> you pull something out of the slot to bring the two materials into
> contact, and then pull again to get the print and negative out of the
> back, or did you open the large flap, and peel the print off the
> negative there?
>
> I've read that the model 500 sheet film holder can be used with
> current sheet film, but that care has to be taken not to pull the
> packet out too far, as there is nothing to stop it coming right out,
> as there is in the 545 and later holders. Was it always like this, or
> was there a different type of sheet film available at one time? If
> there was, how did it differ from the current type?
>
> Finally, when were the roll, pack and sheet systems introduced, and
> when was the roll material discontinued? There seem to be holders for
> all three systems of considerable age, so it looks like all three were
> in concurrent use for a considerable time.

There were two rolls that were inserted into the back and threaded
through the end of the back. You took a shot, flipped a lever and pulled
the film through the slot, tore it off and threw it away. When you
pulled the film through the slot it broke and developer pod and spread
the developer between the two parts of the film that were exposed. After
60 seconds you opened the door on the back and the positive print was
detached from the rest of the film. You then spread the tube of coating
material over the positive to fix it - smelly and sticky stuff - when
that dried you had your print.

Film came in two sizes. A larger print size for the original model 95
and it's successors and a smaller size for the 80 series and it's
successors. The back you have was from the larger size.

The original Polaroid 95 was introduced in the very late 40's or early
50's. We had the first version when I was growing up. That was the one
that had the spring that you lifted up and used to center the image and
to compose.

Film has been gone for several decades so don't make plans to shoot with
it. And even if you could find an unexposed roll the fixer stuff would
be long dried up.

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Reply from: furles@mail.croydon.ac.uk
Date: 27 May 2007, 21:06
Re: Old Polaroid backs/holders.

On 27 May, 15:44, Bob Salomon <bob salo...@mindspring . com > wrote:

> There were two rolls that were inserted into the back and threaded
> through the end of the back. You took a shot, flipped a lever and pulled
> the film through the slot, tore it off and threw it away. When you
> pulled the film through the slot it broke and developer pod and spread
> the developer between the two parts of the film that were exposed. After
> 60 seconds you opened the door on the back and the positive print was
> detached from the rest of the film. You then spread the tube of coating
> material over the positive to fix it - smelly and sticky stuff - when
> that dried you had your print.

Yes, I remember the coater, looked a bit like a lipstick; but when you
took it out of the caseit was a sort of felt pad, with a strange smell
to it. I think the type 55 still uses it, if you want the print
rather than the negative.

My father brought a Polaroid camera home from work to show me,
probably around 1966/67. It was the more modern, squarer shape, but
still folding type, with bellows; the film was pack type, I think it
was type 107.

> Film came in two sizes. A larger print size for the original model 95
> and it's successors and a smaller size for the 80 series and it's
> successors. The back you have was from the larger size.

A bit like the pack film then, with the 5x4 size for the 550 back, and
the roughly 3.5x4.5 inch size for the 405 back, and various cameras;
not forgetting the small square one, type 87? of course.

> The original Polaroid 95 was introduced in the very late 40's or early
> 50's. We had the first version when I was growing up. That was the one
> that had the spring that you lifted up and used to center the image and
> to compose.
>
> Film has been gone for several decades so don't make plans to shoot with
> it. And even if you could find an unexposed roll the fixer stuff would
> be long dried up.

I know you can't get the roll film now; even the pack type has been
dropped in 5x4 by Polaroid, though Fiji still make a colour one. I
bought the back quite cheaply on Ebay a few years ago, and it's in
very good condition; a few slight scratches on the darkslide where
it's been pulled in and out, and the leatherette covering is peeling
off, but that may not be a bad thing, as there are a couple of rust
spots underneath that I can treat before I glue it back. The mounting
plate is harfly marked by the clips, and I don't think the extended
viewing panel thing had ever been on a camera.

I put the back on my Speed Graphic yesterday, and the weight of the
combination is incredible. It seems to have been a very cumbersome
thing to use.


Reply from: Richard Knoppow
Date: 27 May 2007, 16:46
Re: Old Polaroid backs/holders.


<furles@mail.croydon.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:1180271351.564696.124170@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>I have a few questions that I hope somebody may be able to
>answer.
>
> Firstly, I have one of the original Graflex 'Polaroid Land
> Film Back',
> complete with the gauge for setting the front standard
> back from the
> infinity stops, and even the extended ground glass panel
> which could
> be attached to the rear of the camera. I bought this
> several years
> ago to add to the collection, but I've never really looked
> at it until
> now, and I've only just worked out how to open it. I've
> used both
> sheet and pack Polaroid film, but I cannot work out how
> this old roll
> system worked; I've never even seen a roll film, I do have
> one, but
> it's still sealed, and I want to keep it that way.
>
> The back seems to be basically a standard folding Polaroid
> camera of
> the era (heavy) with the front removed, and a Graflok type
> mounting
> plate fitted in its place. There is a recess in the
> centre of the
> top; is this where the viewfinder was fitted in the
> complete camera?
> There's also a smaller recess to the left of this, with
> what looks
> like a blanked off slot, what was this for? I assume that
> it's
> something else that was used on the complete camera, but
> not on the
> Graflex version.
>
> There's a curved metal flap at the right-hand end, which
> covers a
> slot. The right two-thirds or so of the back is a flap,
> which can be
> opened, but the inside of it doesn't look like a pressure
> plate, it's
> got ridges on it. Also, there's solid metal be hind it,
> so the film
> couldn't be exposed here. There's a round button, which
> seems to be
> referred to as the 'film release', and the notes inside
> the flap
> mention the 'cutter', but I can't see where this is.
>
> If I remove the darkslide then I can release a small
> catch, and the
> whole of the back (the back of the back, if you see what I
> mean,
> opens, to reveal a space which looks like it could hold a
> roll, and a
> pair of processing rollers. The part which was underneath
> the first
> flap, with one of the rollers attached to it, can now be
> opened, hinge
> in the right, to reveal an empty spool at the right end,
> with no means
> of driving it, so I assume that it's a feed spool.
>
> Now I can see the exposure aperture, and the pressure
> plate, which is
> attached to the part that I just opened. Were there two
> separate
> spools, one for the negative, and one for the print? If
> so, it looks
> like the negative may have fed from the small spool on the
> right,
> across the exposure aperture, then turned back around the
> lower
> processing roller, and brought into contact with the print
> material
> fed from a roll in the space on the left. In this case
> where did the
> developer come from? Surely they didn't roll up the strip
> on print
> material with pods attached to it at intervals, did they?
> I assume
> that the small curved flap covering the slot at the
> right-hand end is
> where the material comes out, but what is the large flap
> in the back
> for? Did the development take place here, or outside the
> back? Did
> you pull something out of the slot to bring the two
> materials into
> contact, and then pull again to get the print and negative
> out of the
> back, or did you open the large flap, and peel the print
> off the
> negative there?
>
> I've read that the model 500 sheet film holder can be used
> with
> current sheet film, but that care has to be taken not to
> pull the
> packet out too far, as there is nothing to stop it coming
> right out,
> as there is in the 545 and later holders. Was it always
> like this, or
> was there a different type of sheet film available at one
> time? If
> there was, how did it differ from the current type?
>
> Finally, when were the roll, pack and sheet systems
> introduced, and
> when was the roll material discontinued? There seem to be
> holders for
> all three systems of considerable age, so it looks like
> all three were
> in concurrent use for a considerable time.

I can't help with the dates but it seems to me that roll
type Polaroid film was discontinued about 10 or 15 years
ago. The roll film actually was two rolls, one was the film
part the other the transfer paper. The two were rolled
together and brought to the back of the camera. There is
door in the back to get to the print. The print was peeled
off the negative. The action of pulling the paper tab from
the side of the camera rolled the two together and also
brought a new film to the exposure gate.
Long ago I had one of these adaptors. They were not very
convenient because the focus was different than the normal
focus so they really could not be used for proofing. Because
you have the extras you have a collector's item so it might
be worth something. Plain roll type Polaroid backs are
pretty much useless.


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix . net com . com






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