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The right darkroom book?

Reply from: AAvK
Date: 22 Feb 2008, 19:10
The right darkroom book?


Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on subjects such as
the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such, like bring-
ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.

The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert and have had
very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books, the only two I
could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook'
which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in revision?
Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and films?

Any help very much appreciated,

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Reply from: Ken Hart
Date: 22 Feb 2008, 22:33
Re: The right darkroom book?


"AAvK" <notforspam@nowhere . net > wrote in message
news:EeEvj.14861$497.710@newsfe14.phx...
>
> Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on
> subjects such as
> the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such,
> like bring-
> ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
>
> The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert and
> have had
> very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books, the
> only two I
> could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook'
> which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in
> revision?
> Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and
> films?
>
> Any help very much appreciated,
>

Good luck-- you're asking for a pretty tall order!
Let's say I was going to write a book about a half-dozen films from a
half-dozen manufacturers, using a half-dozen different developers, each of
which has 2 different dilutions. So after a year, I've completed my
research, and my publisher is ready to go to press. Then one manufacturer
reformulates a developer, another discontinues a film, and two others change
a film each. The book is now outdated!

Possibly your best bet would be to go to the film or developer
manudacturer's website and request or download their info. Obviously, Kodak
isn't going to compare their products to Ilford or Fuji or vice versa, but
each manufacturer knows how their film works in their developers. Kodak has
some really nice pdf files available online, I don't know what other
manufacturers have, since I don't use them.
Plus, the price for manufacturer's literature will probably be less than
Border's books!



Reply from: Lobby Dosser
Date: 23 Feb 2008, 02:29
Re: The right darkroom book?

"Ken Hart" <kwhart1@verizon . net > wrote:

>
> "AAvK" <notforspam@nowhere . net > wrote in message
> news:EeEvj.14861$497.710@newsfe14.phx...
>>
>> Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on
>> subjects such as
>> the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and
>> such, like bring-
>> ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
>>
>> The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no
>> expert and have had
>> very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's
>> books, the only two I
>> could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom
>> Handbook' which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are
>> kept up in revision?
>> Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals
>> and films?
>>
>> Any help very much appreciated,
>>
>
> Good luck-- you're asking for a pretty tall order!
> Let's say I was going to write a book about a half-dozen films from a
> half-dozen manufacturers, using a half-dozen different developers,
> each of which has 2 different dilutions. So after a year, I've
> completed my research, and my publisher is ready to go to press. Then
> one manufacturer reformulates a developer, another discontinues a
> film, and two others change a film each. The book is now outdated!
>
> Possibly your best bet would be to go to the film or developer
> manudacturer's website and request or download their info. Obviously,
> Kodak isn't going to compare their products to Ilford or Fuji or vice
> versa, but each manufacturer knows how their film works in their
> developers. Kodak has some really nice pdf files available online, I
> don't know what other manufacturers have, since I don't use them.
> Plus, the price for manufacturer's literature will probably be less
> than Border's books!
>
>
>

Search 'darkroom' on Amazon and browse the results and reviews. 531
titles found.

Reply from: ____
Date: 23 Feb 2008, 03:40
Re: The right darkroom book?

In article <fpnf5f$q0b$1@aioe.org>, "Ken Hart" <kwhart1@verizon . net >
wrote:

> "AAvK" <notforspam@nowhere . net > wrote in message
> news:EeEvj.14861$497.710@newsfe14.phx...
> >
> > Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on
> > subjects such as
> > the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such,
> > like bring-
> > ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
> >
> > The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert and
> > have had
> > very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books, the
> > only two I
> > could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook'
> > which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in
> > revision?
> > Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and
> > films?
> >
> > Any help very much appreciated,
> >
>
> Good luck-- you're asking for a pretty tall order!
> Let's say I was going to write a book about a half-dozen films from a
> half-dozen manufacturers, using a half-dozen different developers, each of
> which has 2 different dilutions. So after a year, I've completed my
> research, and my publisher is ready to go to press. Then one manufacturer
> reformulates a developer, another discontinues a film, and two others change
> a film each. The book is now outdated!
>
> Possibly your best bet would be to go to the film or developer
> manudacturer's website and request or download their info. Obviously, Kodak
> isn't going to compare their products to Ilford or Fuji or vice versa, but
> each manufacturer knows how their film works in their developers. Kodak has
> some really nice pdf files available online, I don't know what other
> manufacturers have, since I don't use them.
> Plus, the price for manufacturer's literature will probably be less than
> Border's books!

Actually for the novice The Darkroom cook book or The Film Development
Cookbook are good references, + they are written by a personal friend of
mine :)

--
Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.

Reply from: krishnananda
Date: 23 Feb 2008, 04:01
Re: The right darkroom book?

In article <EeEvj.14861$497.710@newsfe14.phx>,
"AAvK" <notforspam@nowhere . net > wrote:

> Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on subjects
> such as
> the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and such,
> like bring-
> ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
>
> The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert and
> have had
> very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books, the
> only two I
> could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook'
> which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in revision?
> Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and
> films?
>
> Any help very much appreciated,

"Black and White Photography: A Basic Manual" and "Beyond Basic
Photography" both by Henry Horenstein. His books have been used for
decades in photo schools. I learned from them thirty years ago and use
them when I teach. He covers chemistries, the differences between halide
and bromide emulsions etc., adjusting development for contrast, toning
prints for longevity and color, and many other subjects.

Adams's "The Negative" and "The Print" are very good for learning about
different silver salts' sensitivity and the relationship between
development time and contrast but like everything else he wrote are
geared almost entirely to large-format photography. Also,
variable-contrast papers didn't exist yet when he wrote them.

Hope this helps,

--k

Reply from: Andreas Gugau
Date: 24 Feb 2008, 11:30
Re: The right darkroom book?

AAvK schrieb:
>
> Curious if there is a current book that covers film 'developing' on
> subjects such as
> the effects that specific developers will have of specific films and
> such, like bring-
> ing out the best sharpness and contrasty tonality with shadow detail.
>
> The idea is a specialist book of teaching these things, I am no expert
> and have had
> very little experience in the long past... I looked in Border's books,
> the only two I
> could find were AA's 'The Negative' (too old?) and 'The Darkroom Handbook'
> which looked really old (as new). Maybe either book are kept up in
> revision?
> Would either book cover the current World's compilation of chemicals and
> films?

Take a look at "The Darkrook Cookbook" * tinyurl . com /yo6nd4 and
"The Film Developing Cookbook" * tinyurl . com /26tkgu

Andreas

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Reply from: AAvK
Date: 27 Feb 2008, 13:54
Re: The right darkroom book?


"AAvK" <notforspam@nowhere . net > wrote in message news:EeEvj.14861$497.710@newsfe14.phx...
>
> Curious if there is a current book that...
>
> Giant_Alex }<)))*>
> not my site: * w w w .e-sword . net /



Okay all, thank you very much for the replies, I will save everything to a text.
Much appreciated.

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Giant_Alex }<)))*>
not my site: * w w w .e-sword . net /




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