Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

Bill Again wrote:

> I'm not very particular about equipment: I use Olympus OM1s and have about a
> dozen, all purchased second-hand more than 40 years ago,

Hmm, the M-1, the precursor to the OM1, was introduced in 1972. So in
2012 the OM1 will have been 40 years old. Yet this alleged photographer
bought about 12 of them, second hand, more than five years before they
were on the market.

I wouldn't put too much faith in anything she says, since obviously it's
all made up in order to create a good story.

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras


"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail,com > wrote in message
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> Bill Again wrote:
>
>> I'm not very particular about equipment: I use Olympus OM1s and have
>> about a dozen, all purchased second-hand more than 40 years ago,
>
> Hmm, the M-1, the precursor to the OM1, was introduced in 1972. So in 2012
> the OM1 will have been 40 years old. Yet this alleged photographer bought
> about 12 of them, second hand, more than five years before they were on
> the market.
>
> I wouldn't put too much faith in anything she says, since obviously it's
> all made up in order to create a good story.

Here's a quote about Jane Bown's career so far....

"The Observer published its first Jane Bown photograph in December 1949,
beginning a romance between Britain's oldest Sunday paper and the country's
most loved photographer that still flourishes.
Since that time, Jane has given us the most astonishing variety of
portraits: politicians, royalty, film stars, directors, writers, academics,
comics, artists, dancers, athletes, bishops, models, nuns and ordinary
people (fans, onion sellers, tramps, children) whose faces we suddenly learn
to see and even become haunted by, because she looks at them with the same
democratic respect, curiosity and love.

Jane's work is immediately recognisable, particularly her penetrating
portraits taken over the past 50 years.

By 1980 she was renowned enough for the National Portrait Gallery to hold a
one-person exhibition of her work and there have been no fewer than seven
published collections of her photographs.

Jane's approach to taking photographs is as refreshingly unpretentious as
she is herself - she works quickly and discreetly, using only available
light, usually in black and white and without any assistants. In 1985 she
was awarded an MBE [and in 1995 a CBE for work in photography]. When asked
by the Queen what she did, Jane's characteristically modest reply was, "I'm
a hack". "

You might be right. I shall ignore her.

Idiot.

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

SMS 斯蒂文• � <scharf.steven@geemail,com > wrote:

> Hmm, the M-1, the precursor to the OM1, was introduced in 1972. So in
> 2012 the OM1 will have been 40 years old. Yet this alleged photographer
> bought about 12 of them, second hand


Obviously she bought them second hand! She could hardly have bought them
new, could she?

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras


"Marty Fremen" <Marty@fremen.invalid> wrote in message
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> SMS 斯蒂文• � <scharf.steven@geemail,com >
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, the M-1, the precursor to the OM1, was introduced in 1972. So in
>> 2012 the OM1 will have been 40 years old. Yet this alleged photographer
>> bought about 12 of them, second hand
>
>
> Obviously she bought them second hand! She could hardly have bought them
> new, could she?

Marty,

If you were 82, and had been working in photography for some 60 years and
someone asked you when you had bought a particular camera would you like to
be tied down to an exact date or stretch of years or would you quite likely
say something like, "Oh god, I bought those 40 years ago!"

I have had many cameras. I had, for instance, a third or fourth hand Rollei
in the 60's. I couldn't even guess at when I bought it. I cannot even
remember how much it cost.

I really believe that this obsession with dates and times and exactitude
does not fit with an artistic mind. The two are incompatible. Which is why
Bown can make confusing statements about exactly when she bought a camera,
for God's sake, but has a long and productive history of producing top
class, nay, world class, photography. Look at her photographs of Orson
Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
remembering when she bought a camera.

That's all

Bill

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

["Followup-To:" header set to rec.photo.digital.]
On 2007-11-15, Bill Again <sd@msn,com > wrote:
>
> [...] Look at her photographs of Orson
> Welles, Samuel Becket, Truman Capote, Evelyn Waugh, Margaret Thatcher or any
> of the many others and then tell me you can criticise her for not
> remembering when she bought a camera.
>

Look at her photographs and tell me that she, as she disingenuously
claims, has no idea how to operate a camera or judge exposure. But she
wants us to believe that she is some natural artistic wonder who just
intuits these things. It smacks of desparation to me, putting up this
mythical barrier to entry of the profession by spreading this lie that
technique is neither learnable nor necessary.

--
Chris Savage Kiss me. Or would you rather live in a
Gateshead, UK land where the soap won't lather?
- Billy Bragg

Re: Built-in flash in P&S digital and DSLR cameras

franklin-d-worth <fdwo...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> Let's weigh the identical flash-reach options, shall we?

Let's weigh the poster's headers first...

Gosh, its that lame anonymous cowardly sockpuppet...again!


> dSLR + built-in high-power flash = ...
> internal dedicated flash failure = whole camera goes in for repair

The claim of "whole camera goes in for repair" also applies exactly
the same for all of the internals on P&S's too. As such, this is an
utterly meaningless statement because it does not differentiate the
products.


> P&S + accessory flash = ...
> flash failure = use a different or new flash...

Since most P&S lack a hot shoe (including the Panasonic DMC-FZ18K),
just how is the accessory being triggered?

Yup, it is being slaved off the firing of the internal.

Which means that when said "flash failure" of the internal occurs, the
slave accessory flash can't be triggered, so these cameras are dead in
the water without any strobe capabilities whatsoever.


-hh