Nikon D3 to be soon superseded by Nikon D4

In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4, offering in an FX
package the same high ISO performance as the D3, nearly as fast max
shooting
speed as the D3, the same start price as the D3, the same viewing screen
and
focusing module as the D3 - but with 8% more pixels than EOS-1ds Mk III!!

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On 2007-12-19 07:38:49 -0800, George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster . it > said:

> In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4

Maybe the D4 will be out then. Maybe not. In any event, the D4 you
describe would likely be a lot more expensive than a D3. Not a
replacement, but targeted to a different photographer.

I think the D3 is really the D3h that was rumored for so long. That new
poster I got in the mail showing a motorcycle shot by Sandro really
says something about what Nikon thinks about the D3.
* w w w .stunningnikon . com /challenge/

After sunset, bad weather, ISO 6400, 9 fps: terrible light and grueling
conditions, and the D3 pulled off a magnificent sports shot. All the
other pictures give the same message. The D3 is a photojournalist's and
sports shooter's camera. And a very good one at that. These people do
not live and die by high resolution. They want perfect exposure, noise
free images, fast handling, and rugged construction.

A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.

That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I
don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell <christophercampbell@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
>A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
>that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
>It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
>performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.


This has been a surprising year for both Nikon and Canon.

Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
be released instead of, or even as well as the D3. Nikon has had a
17.8 MP CMOS sensor under development for some time and it was
certainly a surprise to see "only" 12 MP in the D3.

I snipped your comments about the D3H but I agree that the D3 as
released is more or less a D3H. The 17.8 MP D3X would be expected to
follow the D3H within a few months. You suggest it will be called the
D4, and you may well be right. My best contact at Nikon has retired
and the company is getting much better at concealing its development
projects.

An even bigger surprise was Canon's non-announcement of the EOS 3D,
the 16.7 MP version of the 5D with full weather sealing - very much a
digital equivalent of the excellent 35mm film EOS 3. And there is
still no sign of the 12.8 MP EOS 7D, a lower cost version of the 5D
intended to further increase Canon's overall sales.

I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.

On 2007-12-19 09:36:19 -0800, Tony Polson <tp@nospam . net > said:

> C J Campbell <christophercampbell@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>
>> A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
>> that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
>> It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
>> performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.
>
>
>
> I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
> order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. Now, the funny thing is
that there were several people (and even a leaked press release from
Nikon) which indicated the imminent release of the D3 last spring --
but this was a 19 megapixel camera. Instead, we got the D40x (which was
in the same leaked press release). So, what happened to that camera?

I think several things:

Canon stole Nikon's thunder with the 1Ds Mk III. Nikon's marketing
department suddenly realized that their D3 was not competitive in
either features or price. There were bugs in the new sensor and people
did not want an 80% cropped sensor anyway (it was not FX). And (most
importantly) there was no room for the new camera on the production
schedule. Nikon's lines are at full capacity now. They have to drop
something in order to add a new SLR line.

So they went with what is called the D3 now to stop the worst
hemorrhaging among their pro base: the photojournalists and the sports
shooters. It was arguably Nikon's weakest market and they wanted to
plug that hole first. And the original D3 (or D4, or D3x) went back to
the drawing board to get a new FX sensor, image preview, and maybe even
sensor cleaning. I do not expect the D3 to have that long of a run. I
think it also will get live preview and sensor cleaning in the near
future and be reintroduced as the D3h, but it will otherwise be pretty
much the same camera.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell <christophercampbell@hotmail . com > wrote:

>On 2007-12-19 09:36:19 -0800, Tony Polson <tp@nospam . net > said:
>
>> C J Campbell <christophercampbell@hotmail . com > wrote:
>>>
>>> A high resolution "D4" is almost a must for Nikon and it is reasonable
>>> that one will eventually be launched. I think July would be a surprise.
>>> It will be a landscape and studio photographer's camera. Best
>>> performance at lower ISO, but very high resolution.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if Canon is holding back the introduction of these models in
>> order to reduce the impact of new models coming from Nikon and Sony.
>
>I think you hit the nail right on the head. Now, the funny thing is
>that there were several people (and even a leaked press release from
>Nikon) which indicated the imminent release of the D3 last spring --
>but this was a 19 megapixel camera. Instead, we got the D40x (which was
>in the same leaked press release). So, what happened to that camera?
>
>I think several things:
>
>Canon stole Nikon's thunder with the 1Ds Mk III. Nikon's marketing
>department suddenly realized that their D3 was not competitive in
>either features or price. There were bugs in the new sensor and people
>did not want an 80% cropped sensor anyway (it was not FX). And (most
>importantly) there was no room for the new camera on the production
>schedule. Nikon's lines are at full capacity now. They have to drop
>something in order to add a new SLR line.
>
>So they went with what is called the D3 now to stop the worst
>hemorrhaging among their pro base: the photojournalists and the sports
>shooters. It was arguably Nikon's weakest market and they wanted to
>plug that hole first. And the original D3 (or D4, or D3x) went back to
>the drawing board to get a new FX sensor, image preview, and maybe even
>sensor cleaning. I do not expect the D3 to have that long of a run. I
>think it also will get live preview and sensor cleaning in the near
>future and be reintroduced as the D3h, but it will otherwise be pretty
>much the same camera.


That's an interesting take. It would certainly explain a lot of what
has happened - and more to the point, what hasn't.

But let's be honest, the D3, in spite of having "only" 12 MP, is a
superb camera. It was tested in last week's "Amateur Photographer",
which has an excellent reputation for the objectivity of its reviews,
and it received the highest rating of any DSLR ever tested.

Tony Polson wrote:

> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.

Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the fuck is my D3? Enough already!
By the time Nikon fills the D3 backorders the D5.5 will out.





Rita

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:53 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

>> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
>> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.
>
> Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the fuck is my D3? Enough already!

Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!

ASAAR wrote:

>>> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera
>>> to be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.
>>
>> Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the fuck is my D3? Enough
>> already!
>
> Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!

That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle begins and I
should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they will have a D4 by then?
It's really starting to piss me off.







Rita

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:27:29 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

>> Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!
>
> That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle begins and I
> should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they will have a D4 by then?

Not to be for me. I have neither your discretionary bucks nor
biceps. Some future day I might consider a D400 though, but only if
I first get a printer that'll do it justice. And so far I've yet to
really stress my D50 so it's Moot. Moot. Moot. :)

ASAAR wrote:

>>> Isn't it obvious? Nikon has decided to make you wait 18 months!
>>
>> That's no problem, the beginning of the next devaluation cycle
>> begins and I should be able to get the D3 for $4,500. Maybe they
>> will have a D4 by then?
>
> Not to be for me. I have neither your discretionary bucks nor
> biceps. Some future day I might consider a D400 though, but only if
> I first get a printer that'll do it justice. And so far I've yet to
> really stress my D50 so it's Moot. Moot. Moot. :)

LOL! Don't wait too long for that D400 since you aren't getting any
younger. With one foot in the grave and being old and decrapitated, you
might find that Viagra won't help you get it up.





Rita

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:26:53 -0500, Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:

> Tony Polson wrote:
>
>> Some of us with contacts at Nikon confidently expected that camera to
>> be released instead of, or even as well as the D3.
>
> Tony, ask your "contacts at Nikon" where the fuck is my D3? Enough
> already! By the time Nikon fills the D3 backorders the D5.5 will out.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rita


I'm starting to think the same. Not much point in making a new camera if
you can't fill the demand for existing ones!


--
Sarina

C J Campbell wrote:

> That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
> call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
> and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
> serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I don't
> see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.

This is the one I want.

On 2007-12-19 09:41:02 -0800, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill . net > said:

> C J Campbell wrote:
>
>> That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
>> call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body. Weight
>> and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers. The D300
>> serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX sensor. I
>> don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.
>
> This is the one I want.

Me, too. But I may lose patience and get the D3x or D4 or whatever it
will be called, and gripe incessantly about its weight and complexity.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Paul Furman wrote:

>> That still leaves the nature and travel photographer's camera; let's
>> call it the D400. An FX sensor in a package in a D300 type body.
>> Weight and size are the issues for travel and nature photographers.
>> The D300 serves this group pretty well, but some would like an FX
>> sensor. I don't see a D400 in 2008. Maybe not even 2009.
>
> This is the one I want.

That would be sweet!





Rita

C J Campbell wrote:

>> In July 2008 the D3 will be superseded by the Nikon D4
>
> Maybe the D4 will be out then. Maybe not. In any event, the D4 you
> describe would likely be a lot more expensive than a D3. Not a
> replacement, but targeted to a different photographer.

You're right; the D4 will probably be a high res studio camera.

> I think the D3 is really the D3h that was rumored for so long. That
> new poster I got in the mail showing a motorcycle shot by Sandro
> really says something about what Nikon thinks about the D3.
> * w w w .stunningnikon . com /challenge/

That motorcycle shot is amazing. I know the D3 is going to be nice for
wildlife. It's a great feeling to finally get my long lens collecting into
high gear.





Rita