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Travelling in Scotland and England

Reply from: oloughlin277@gmail . com
Date: 05 May 2008, 16:05
Travelling in Scotland and England

I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.

TIA

Reply from: William Black
Date: 05 May 2008, 16:48
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England


<oloughlin277@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:7cfaf36c-50d2-4056-8fa8-8620095e144a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.

Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on motorways
(and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.

You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest that
mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd wish to
acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




Reply from: Martin
Date: 05 May 2008, 17:19
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:48:12 +0100, "William Black" <william.black@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>
><oloughlin277@gmail . com > wrote in message
>news:7cfaf36c-50d2-4056-8fa8-8620095e144a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
>> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
>> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
>> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
>
>Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on motorways
>(and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
>countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
>
>You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest that
>mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd wish to
>acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.

There's not a lot of skill in driving a RHD car on a motorway, it's junctions
and roundabouts that can be tricky.
--

Martin


Reply from: Jack Campin - bogus address
Date: 05 May 2008, 17:38
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

>>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
>>> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
>>> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
>>> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
>> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on motorways
>> (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
>> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
>> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest that
>> mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd wish to
>> acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.
> There's not a lot of skill in driving a RHD car on a motorway, it's junctions
> and roundabouts that can be tricky.

The A74 has some rather impressive fatal accident figures.

One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.

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Reply from: David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*
Date: 06 May 2008, 00:08
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
> >>> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
> >>> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
> >>> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
> >> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on motorways
> >> (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
> >> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
> >> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest that
> >> mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd wish to
> >> acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.
> > There's not a lot of skill in driving a RHD car on a motorway, it's
> > junctions and roundabouts that can be tricky.
>
> The A74 has some rather impressive fatal accident figures.
>
> One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
> but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.

The mainline train route is hardly uninteresting either.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -w w w .davidhorne . net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Reply from: William Black
Date: 06 May 2008, 00:39
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England


"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ighpla.1p0tmxizxf53cN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
>> >>> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my
>> >>> partner
>> >>> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
>> >>> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
>> >> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on
>> >> motorways
>> >> (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across
>> >> incredible
>> >> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
>> >> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest
>> >> that
>> >> mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd
>> >> wish to
>> >> acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish
>> >> Borders.
>> > There's not a lot of skill in driving a RHD car on a motorway, it's
>> > junctions and roundabouts that can be tricky.
>>
>> The A74 has some rather impressive fatal accident figures.
>>
>> One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
>> but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.
>
> The mainline train route is hardly uninteresting either.

Look, you can't have it both ways.

Either the train is more fun or the drive down the motorways is more fun...

For me it's the train every time.

I've spend a couple of evenings trying not to fall asleep before I got to
Carlisle...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




Reply from: David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*
Date: 06 May 2008, 07:27
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ighpla.1p0tmxizxf53cN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> > Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> >>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
> >> >>> Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my
> >> >>> partner
> >> >>> and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
> >> >>> night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
> >> >> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on
> >> >> motorways
> >> >> (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across
> >> >> incredible
> >> >> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
> >> >> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest
> >> >> that
> >> >> mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd
> >> >> wish to
> >> >> acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish
> >> >> Borders.
> >> > There's not a lot of skill in driving a RHD car on a motorway, it's
> >> > junctions and roundabouts that can be tricky.
> >>
> >> The A74 has some rather impressive fatal accident figures.
> >>
> >> One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
> >> but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.
> >
> > The mainline train route is hardly uninteresting either.
>
> Look, you can't have it both ways.

The mainline train route and motorway route, and therefore the views,
are often similar- even parallel at times.

> Either the train is more fun or the drive down the motorways is more fun...

I find the comparison pointless. I don't find any driving fun, which is
why I don't do it.

> For me it's the train every time.

Me too, but I've been forced to take a bus several times when there were
engineering works, and it's one of the more pleasant (long distance) bus
rides I can think of in the UK.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -w w w .davidhorne . net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Reply from: Keith Anderson
Date: 06 May 2008, 10:19
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Tue, 6 May 2008 06:27:34 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


>
>Me too, but I've been forced to take a bus several times when there were
>engineering works, and it's one of the more pleasant (long distance) bus
>rides I can think of in the UK.

Done the Traws-Cambria bus route yet - Brecon to Newtown via
Llandrindod Wells? Link it in with a trip on the Heart of Wales
railway and it's a wonderful exercise in window-gawping whilst someone
else does the driving.



Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen

Reply from: David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*
Date: 06 May 2008, 19:05
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Keith Anderson <keefy@privacy . net > wrote:

> On Tue, 6 May 2008 06:27:34 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Me too, but I've been forced to take a bus several times when there were
> >engineering works, and it's one of the more pleasant (long distance) bus
> >rides I can think of in the UK.
>
> Done the Traws-Cambria bus route yet - Brecon to Newtown via
> Llandrindod Wells? Link it in with a trip on the Heart of Wales
> railway and it's a wonderful exercise in window-gawping whilst someone
> else does the driving.

No, haven't done it yet- but many thanks for the recommendation!

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -w w w .davidhorne . net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Reply from: Keith Willshaw
Date: 06 May 2008, 21:20
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England


"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ighpla.1p0tmxizxf53cN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>

>>
>> One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
>> but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.
>
> The mainline train route is hardly uninteresting either.
>

The Settle Carlisle is one hell of a long way round too !

You'd have to get more than one train just to get on to the line.

Keith



Reply from: David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*
Date: 07 May 2008, 09:22
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Keith Willshaw <keithnospam@demon.co.uk> wrote:

> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ighpla.1p0tmxizxf53cN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> > Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >> One rail option might be via the Settle-Carlisle line - much slower,
> >> but one of the most spectacular stretches of railway in Europe.
> >
> > The mainline train route is hardly uninteresting either.
> >
>
> The Settle Carlisle is one hell of a long way round too !
>
> You'd have to get more than one train just to get on to the line.

Or be on a train rerouted during to engineering works, as once happened
to me on a train from Liverpool to Edinburgh! :)

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -w w w .davidhorne . net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Reply from: James Silverton
Date: 05 May 2008, 17:56
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

William wrote on Mon, 5 May 2008 15:48:12 +0100:


> <oloughlin277@gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:7cfaf36c-50d2-4056-8fa8-8620095e144a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
>> I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks,
>> starting out in Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it
>> be cheaper for my partner and I to rent a car? Or travel by
>> train? We are planning an over night in Manchester and would
>> need the car for only four days.

> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip
> on motorways (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging'
> drive across incredible countryside on incredibly bendy and
> slow roads.

> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd
> suggest that mastering driving on the wrong side of the road
> isn't a skill you'd wish to acquire on either motorways or the
> twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.

If the car has right-hand drive, using it on a British motorway
is not difficult and even narrow two-lane roads are not too bad.
It's not likely on a motorway but anyone's unthinking reaction
in an emergency might be the wrong one, especially if you
encounter some oaf who wants the whole road. I've even driven
the one lane roads with passing spaces of the Scottish
Highlands.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


Reply from: Mike....
Date: 07 May 2008, 11:47
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to James Silverton

> If the car has right-hand drive, using it on a British motorway
> is not difficult and even narrow two-lane roads are not too bad.
> It's not likely on a motorway but anyone's unthinking reaction
> in an emergency might be the wrong one, especially if you
> encounter some oaf who wants the whole road. I've even driven
> the one lane roads with passing spaces of the Scottish
> Highlands.

I find thats the key, if the car is set up correctly its all automatic, but
i'm used to driving on both soides and to narrow roads.
--
"Mike....."(not "Mike")
remove clothing to email

Reply from: David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*
Date: 06 May 2008, 00:04
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> <oloughlin277@gmail . com > wrote in message
> news:7cfaf36c-50d2-4056-8fa8-8620095e144a@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups . com ...
> > I'll be visiting Scotland and England in a few weeks, starting out in
> > Edinburgh and finishing in London. Would it be cheaper for my partner
> > and I to rent a car? Or travel by train? We are planning an over
> > night in Manchester and would need the car for only four days.
>
> Edinburgh to Manchester in a car is either a dead boring trip on motorways
> (and the A74, which is worse) or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.

Huh? It's 'boring' in that driving is boring, but as UK motorways go,
it's rather scenic for much of the trip. Not as scenic as some of the
alternate routes, but hardly _that_ uninteresting.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -w w w .davidhorne . net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Reply from: Mike....
Date: 07 May 2008, 11:44
Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to William Black

> or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.

thats the way to go.

> You don't say where you're from but if you're from the USA I'd suggest that
> mastering driving on the wrong side of the road isn't a skill you'd wish to
> acquire on either motorways or the twisty roads of the Scottish Borders.

depends on the driver and expereince, I suppose
--
"Mike....."(not "Mike")
remove clothing to email


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