Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
will be OK for a holiday in France in August.

Several sites say that France require a passport with three months'
validity beyond the end of the stay.

BUT a note at
http :// travel.excite.co.uk/travel/guides/europe/france/PassportVisaRequirements
says that passports are not required by "EU nationals holding a valid
national ID card. Note: EU nationals are only required to produce
evidence of their EU nationality and identity in order to be admitted to
any EU Member State."

Now, UK does not (yet) have ID cards. But if I rely on the second part
of the note, then a UK passport (even if it only has a few days to run)
would look to qualify as it does prove "evidence of their EU nationality".

So does that mean we'd be OK?

And how about our daughter (15), who is included on my wife's passport?

Can anyone point me toward comprehensive information - or a suggestion
of a contact in the French immigration service?

Once, one wouldn't think twice about when to renew a passport, but with
the monstrous passport fees now demanded it makes quite a difference: if
we wouldn't otherwise be going until next year, renewing my wife's
passport, and buying a new child passport for my daughter a year earlier
that necessary would cost us nearly GBP16.

John Geddes
England

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:

> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.

It will be perfectly OK.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
>> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>
>It will be perfectly OK.

http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when

says ask the local British Consulate. Fat chance of getting any sense out of the
Paris one, from what I have heard.
--

Martin

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
> >> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
> >
> >It will be perfectly OK.
>
> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>
> says ask the local British Consulate.

It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

martin and horny, horny and martin etc etc etc


"David Horne, the chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit dans le
message de news:1ih07qv.9ztg9i17v3081N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> the
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
>> >> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>> >
>> >It will be perfectly OK.
>>
>> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>>
>> says ask the local British Consulate.
>
> It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
> clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>
> --
> (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
> (email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
> onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
> Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
>> >> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>> >
>> >It will be perfectly OK.
>>
>> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>>
>> says ask the local British Consulate.
>
>It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
>clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.

I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for advice.
I wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions posted here.
--

Martin

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
> >> >> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
> >> >
> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
> >>
> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
> >>
> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
> >
> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>
> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for advice.
> I wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions posted here.

So use a government website then.

< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>

"Passport validity

All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."

It's EU law that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.

http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
>> >> >> will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>> >> >
>> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
>> >>
>> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>> >>
>> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
>> >
>> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
>> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>>
>> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for advice.
>> I wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions posted here.
>
>So use a government website then.

I did.

>
>< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
>y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>
>
>"Passport validity
>
>All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
>minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
>passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."
>
>It's EU law

It was a directive.

>that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
>country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
>trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
>can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.
>
> http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253

Britain isn't in Schengen.
--

Martin

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry
> >> >> >> October) will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
> >> >>
> >> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
> >> >>
> >> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
> >> >
> >> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
> >> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
> >>
> >> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for
> >> I advice. wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions
> >> I posted here.
> >
> >So use a government website then.
>
> I did.
>
> >
> >< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
> >y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>
> >
> >"Passport validity
> >
> >All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
> >minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
> >passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."
> >
> >It's EU law
>
> It was a directive.
>
> >that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
> >country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
> >trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
> >can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.
> >
> > http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253
>
> Britain isn't in Schengen.

I didn't suggest it was.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:40:12 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry
>> >> >> >> October) will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>> >> >>
>> >> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
>> >> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>> >>
>> >> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for
>> >> I advice. wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions
>> >> I posted here.
>> >
>> >So use a government website then.
>>
>> I did.
>>
>> >
>> >< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
>> >y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>
>> >
>> >"Passport validity
>> >
>> >All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
>> >minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
>> >passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."
>> >
>> >It's EU law
>>
>> It was a directive.
>>
>> >that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
>> >country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
>> >trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
>> >can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.
>> >
>> > http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253
>>
>> Britain isn't in Schengen.
>
>I didn't suggest it was.

You did by mentioning it.
--

Martin

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:40:12 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> >> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry
> >> >> >> >> October) will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
> >> >> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
> >> >>
> >> >> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for
> >> >> I advice. wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions
> >> >> I posted here.
> >> >
> >> >So use a government website then.
> >>
> >> I did.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
> >> >y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>
> >> >
> >> >"Passport validity
> >> >
> >> >All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
> >> >minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
> >> >passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."
> >> >
> >> >It's EU law
> >>
> >> It was a directive.
> >>
> >> >that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
> >> >country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
> >> >trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
> >> >can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.
> >> >
> >> > http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253
> >>
> >> Britain isn't in Schengen.
> >
> >I didn't suggest it was.
>
> You did by mentioning it.

I thought I might have been thanked for citing the UK govt webpage which
directly answered the OP's question. :)

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Fri, 16 May 2008 10:11:26 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:40:12 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> >> >> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry
>> >> >> >> >> October) will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >It will be perfectly OK.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> says ask the local British Consulate.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
>> >> >> >clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for
>> >> >> I advice. wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions
>> >> >> I posted here.
>> >> >
>> >> >So use a government website then.
>> >>
>> >> I did.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >< http :// www .fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-b
>> >> >y-country/europe/france?ta=entryRequirements&pg=4>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Passport validity
>> >> >
>> >> >All British passport holders require a valid passport. There is no
>> >> >minimum passport validity requirement but you should ensure that your
>> >> >passport is valid for the proposed period of your stay."
>> >> >
>> >> >It's EU law
>> >>
>> >> It was a directive.
>> >>
>> >> >that all another EU citizen needs to enter another EU
>> >> >country is a valid ID or passport- they only need to be current for the
>> >> >trip. Shengen makes the 'need' part moot in most cases. The only place I
>> >> >can find a reference to this quickly is an Irish Government website.
>> >> >
>> >> > http :// www .dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=253
>> >>
>> >> Britain isn't in Schengen.
>> >
>> >I didn't suggest it was.
>>
>> You did by mentioning it.
>
>I thought I might have been thanked for citing the UK govt webpage which
>directly answered the OP's question. :)

Nah he is still dependent on the perfidious French.
I thought all British kids had to have their own passport nowadays.
My grandson had to have his own passport to travel abroad when he was 6 months
old.
--

Martin

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On May 16, 11:11 am, d4g...@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, the chancellor
(*)) wrote:

> I thought I might have been thanked for citing the UK govt webpage which
> directly answered the OP's question. :)

Are you new around here, or what? :-)

B;

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:17:44 +0200, Martin wrote :

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 23:03:29 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:18:10 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>>
>>> >John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry
>>> >> October) will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>>> >
>>> >It will be perfectly OK.
>>>
>>> http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp#when
>>>
>>> says ask the local British Consulate.
>>
>>It's not relevant advice for the EU, which the website ought to make
>>clear. You need a current UK passport to enter an EU state.
>
> I found it odd that there isn't somewhere in UK where you can ask for
> advice. I wouldn't use non govt. website advice or people's opinions
> posted here.

Could this help ?

http :// ec.europa.eu/youreurope/nav/en/citizens/travelling/before-
departure/index.html#20172_10

Extract :
FORMALITIES TO BE COMPLETED WHEN ENTERING ANOTHER EU COUNTRY
As an EU citizen, you and your family have the right to enter any other
EU country with only a valid ID card or a valid passport. Ensure that all
your family members have identification documents. Members of your family
are considered to be your spouse, children under 21 (or dependent on
you), as well as your parents and your spouse?s parents, if they are also
dependent on you.

If some of your family members are third-country nationals, ensure that
you have requested a visa for them.

Re: Entry to France with short-life UK Passport

On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:06:18 +0100, John Geddes <john@st4rm4rkassociates.co.uk>
wrote:

>I am trying to work out whether my wife's UK passport (expiry October)
>will be OK for a holiday in France in August.
>
>Several sites say that France require a passport with three months'
>validity beyond the end of the stay.
>
>BUT a note at
> http :// travel.excite.co.uk/travel/guides/europe/france/PassportVisaRequirements
>says that passports are not required by "EU nationals holding a valid
>national ID card. Note: EU nationals are only required to produce
>evidence of their EU nationality and identity in order to be admitted to
>any EU Member State."
>
>Now, UK does not (yet) have ID cards. But if I rely on the second part
>of the note, then a UK passport (even if it only has a few days to run)
>would look to qualify as it does prove "evidence of their EU nationality".
>
>So does that mean we'd be OK?
>
>And how about our daughter (15), who is included on my wife's passport?
>
>Can anyone point me toward comprehensive information - or a suggestion
>of a contact in the French immigration service?


You should be contact the people who issue the passports in UK.



>
>Once, one wouldn't think twice about when to renew a passport, but with
>the monstrous passport fees now demanded it makes quite a difference: if
>we wouldn't otherwise be going until next year, renewing my wife's
>passport, and buying a new child passport for my daughter a year earlier
>that necessary would cost us nearly GBP16.

The amount you have left is credited.
http :// www .ips.gov.uk/passport/apply.asp
--

Martin