Hunting for free Wi-Fi

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

martin the plonkman with leaks

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> a écrit dans le message de
news:nc7u14tppp9lkvprlfc93r91s6j907afjc@4ax,com ...
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:44:05 -0500, "Pat" <intex@tmail,com > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Runge11" <philsa@bigfoot,com > wrote in message
>>news:481e9932$0$888$ba4acef3@news.orange,fr ...
>>> If you see people with an umbrella, it is fair to assume it is raining.
>>
>>Nope. Some people use umbrellas to protect themselves from the sun....
>>
>
> Some insert them in GRunge, before opening them.
> --
>
> Martin
>

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

If you see people walking with an umbrella under the sun, it is fair to
assume they are protecting themselves from the sun.


"Pat" <intex@tmail,com > a écrit dans le message de
news:688h9iF2rvc4rU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> "Runge11" <philsa@bigfoot,com > wrote in message
> news:481e9932$0$888$ba4acef3@news.orange,fr ...
>> If you see people with an umbrella, it is fair to assume it is raining.
>
> Nope. Some people use umbrellas to protect themselves from the sun....
>

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

Joseph Coulter wrote:
> Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in news:481e398b$0$27365
> $ba624c82@nntp06.dk.telia,net :
>
>> Having purchased an iPod Touch with the entention of using it for
>> checking email when travelling, I'll be interested in hearing how
>> others find networks when in a strange city. Where do you go, what
>> do you look for?
>>
>> My next trip is to Germany, so any hints for that country are
>> especially valuable.
>>
>
> While walking through Punte del Este Urugray , I noticed two guys with
> laptops on a otherwise deserted street, so I fired up my Pocket PC and
> voila, hotspot. If you see folks surfing it is fair to assume you will find
> a signal.
>
A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
else's unencrypted connection.

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On 6 May, 09:08, Mike O'Sullivan <m...@nowhere,com > wrote:
> Joseph Coulter wrote:
> > Jesper Lauridsen <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in news:481e398b$0$27365
> > $ba624...@nntp06.dk.telia,net :
>
> >> Having purchased an iPod Touch with the entention of using it for
> >> checking email when travelling, I'll be interested in hearing how
> >> others find networks when in a strange city. Where do you go, what
> >> do you look for?
>
> >> My next trip is to Germany, so any hints for that country are
> >> especially valuable.
>
> > While walking through Punte del Este Urugray , I noticed two guys with
> > laptops on a otherwise deserted street, so I fired up my Pocket PC and
> > voila, hotspot. If you see folks surfing it is fair to assume you will find
> > a signal.
>
> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
> else's unencrypted connection.

if its unencrypted ..... then they should encrypt it or face the
consequences....

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

Ned Flanders wrote:
> On 6 May, 09:08, Mike O'Sullivan <m...@nowhere,com > wrote:
>> Joseph Coulter wrote:
>>> Jesper Lauridsen <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in news:481e398b$0$27365
>>> $ba624...@nntp06.dk.telia,net :
>>>> Having purchased an iPod Touch with the entention of using it for
>>>> checking email when travelling, I'll be interested in hearing how
>>>> others find networks when in a strange city. Where do you go, what
>>>> do you look for?
>>>> My next trip is to Germany, so any hints for that country are
>>>> especially valuable.
>>> While walking through Punte del Este Urugray , I noticed two guys with
>>> laptops on a otherwise deserted street, so I fired up my Pocket PC and
>>> voila, hotspot. If you see folks surfing it is fair to assume you will find
>>> a signal.
>> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
>> else's unencrypted connection.
>
> if its unencrypted ..... then they should encrypt it or face the
> consequences....

And if they leave their car unlocked they deserve to have it stolen?

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On Tue, 06 May 2008 18:31:43 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com >
wrote:

>Ned Flanders wrote:
>> On 6 May, 09:08, Mike O'Sullivan <m...@nowhere,com > wrote:
>>> Joseph Coulter wrote:
>>>> Jesper Lauridsen <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in news:481e398b$0$27365
>>>> $ba624...@nntp06.dk.telia,net :
>>>>> Having purchased an iPod Touch with the entention of using it for
>>>>> checking email when travelling, I'll be interested in hearing how
>>>>> others find networks when in a strange city. Where do you go, what
>>>>> do you look for?
>>>>> My next trip is to Germany, so any hints for that country are
>>>>> especially valuable.
>>>> While walking through Punte del Este Urugray , I noticed two guys with
>>>> laptops on a otherwise deserted street, so I fired up my Pocket PC and
>>>> voila, hotspot. If you see folks surfing it is fair to assume you will find
>>>> a signal.
>>> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
>>> else's unencrypted connection.
>>
>> if its unencrypted ..... then they should encrypt it or face the
>> consequences....
>
>And if they leave their car unlocked they deserve to have it stolen?

Probably if they're that stupid but it's hardly the same thing.

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi


>> if its unencrypted ..... then they should encrypt it or face the
>> consequences....
>
> And if they leave their car unlocked they deserve to have it stolen?

Er, nobody "deserves" to have a car stolen. But, leaving a car unlocked in a
city is certainly unwise and foolhardy.
However, the car owner is not broadcasting a signal telling people "here is
my unlocked car! Do with it whatever you wish because I have no interest in
protecting it."

I do hope you see the difference.

Pat in TX

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On 6 May, 19:31, Mike O'Sullivan <m...@nowhere,com > wrote:
> Ned Flanders wrote:
> > On 6 May, 09:08, Mike O'Sullivan <m...@nowhere,com > wrote:
> >> Joseph Coulter wrote:
> >>> Jesper Lauridsen <rorsc...@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote in news:481e398b$0$27365
> >>> $ba624...@nntp06.dk.telia,net :
> >>>> Having purchased an iPod Touch with the entention of using it for
> >>>> checking email when travelling, I'll be interested in hearing how
> >>>> others find networks when in a strange city. Where do you go, what
> >>>> do you look for?
> >>>> My next trip is to Germany, so any hints for that country are
> >>>> especially valuable.
> >>> While walking through Punte del Este Urugray , I noticed two guys with
> >>> laptops on a otherwise deserted street, so I fired up my Pocket PC and
> >>> voila, hotspot. If you see folks surfing it is fair to assume you will find
> >>> a signal.
> >> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
> >> else's unencrypted connection.
>
> > if its unencrypted ..... then they should encrypt it or face the
> > consequences....
>
> And if they leave their car unlocked they deserve to have it stolen?

which planet do you live on ??

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :


> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
> else's unencrypted connection.

I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there, how can
I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal. Are they
offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into their house. more
like walking across a public park and stumbling into someone's lawn sans
fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer in the park.

--
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Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:43 -0500, Joseph Coulter
<seeLOOKATsig@comcast,net > wrote:

>Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
>news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :
>
>
>> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
>> else's unencrypted connection.
>
>I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there, how can
>I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal. Are they
>offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into their house. more
>like walking across a public park and stumbling into someone's lawn sans
>fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer in the park.

There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
and pick up some radio station.

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:

> On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:43 -0500, Joseph Coulter
> <seeLOOKATsig@comcast,net > wrote:
>
> >Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
> >news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :
> >
> >
> >> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
> >> else's unencrypted connection.
> >
> >I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there, how can
> >I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal. Are they
> >offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into their house. more
> >like walking across a public park and stumbling into someone's lawn sans
> >fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer in the park.
>
> There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
> unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
> and pick up some radio station.

It's very different in law. People in the US have been done for this
too.

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:11:57 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:43 -0500, Joseph Coulter
>> <seeLOOKATsig@comcast,net > wrote:
>>
>> >Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
>> >news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :
>> >
>> >
>> >> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
>> >> else's unencrypted connection.
>> >
>> >I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there, how can
>> >I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal. Are they
>> >offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into their house. more
>> >like walking across a public park and stumbling into someone's lawn sans
>> >fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer in the park.
>>
>> There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
>> unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
>> and pick up some radio station.
>
>It's very different in law. People in the US have been done for this
>too.

Where David? I have never heard of it.

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:

> On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:11:57 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:43 -0500, Joseph Coulter
> >> <seeLOOKATsig@comcast,net > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
> >> >news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
> >> >> else's unencrypted connection.
> >> >
> >> >I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there,
> >> >how can I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal.
> >> >Are they offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into
> >> >their house. more like walking across a public park and stumbling into
> >> >someone's lawn sans fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer
> >> >in the park.
> >>
> >> There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
> >> unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
> >> and pick up some radio station.
> >
> >It's very different in law. People in the US have been done for this
> >too.
>
> Where David? I have never heard of it.

Florida rings a bell, but there might be others.

http :// arstechnica,com /news.ars/post/20060323-6447.html

--
(*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate -www .davidhorne,net
(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:22:57 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David
Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 18:11:57 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >John Kulp <john_kulp@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:27:43 -0500, Joseph Coulter
>> >> <seeLOOKATsig@comcast,net > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Mike O'Sullivan <mike@nowhere,com > wrote in
>> >> >news:68aeftF2rqcnhU1@mid.individual,net :
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> A fair chance of being arrested too, for piggy-backing of somebody
>> >> >> else's unencrypted connection.
>> >> >
>> >> >I can't quite get my head around that idea. Free wifi is out there,
>> >> >how can I tell the intent of a person who issues an unsecured signal.
>> >> >Are they offering it to me or not? It isn't like I am walking into
>> >> >their house. more like walking across a public park and stumbling into
>> >> >someone's lawn sans fences or signs to give notice that I am no longer
>> >> >in the park.
>> >>
>> >> There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
>> >> unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
>> >> and pick up some radio station.
>> >
>> >It's very different in law. People in the US have been done for this
>> >too.
>>
>> Where David? I have never heard of it.
>
>Florida rings a bell, but there might be others.
>
> http :// arstechnica,com /news.ars/post/20060323-6447.html

I think we need to distinguish between receiving any old
unencrypted radio, which is passive, and Wi-Fi, which is active.
With Wi-Fi you have two-way communication which results in usage
of the base owner's facilities. I'm not sure where state law
stands with regard to passive interception of Wi-Fi, which I
presume, like any radio signal, falls under the jurisdiction of
the federal government via the FCC, but actual use of the other
person's equipment would, I suppose, fall under "theft of
services".

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox,net ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Re: Hunting for free Wi-Fi

On Wed, 07 May 2008 08:40:07 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox,net > wrote:


>>> >>
>>> >> There's nothing to understand. If someone is putting out an
>>> >> unencrypted signal it is no different than if you turn on your radio
>>> >> and pick up some radio station.
>>> >
>>> >It's very different in law. People in the US have been done for this
>>> >too.
>>>
>>> Where David? I have never heard of it.
>>
>>Florida rings a bell, but there might be others.
>>
>> http :// arstechnica,com /news.ars/post/20060323-6447.html
>
>I think we need to distinguish between receiving any old
>unencrypted radio, which is passive, and Wi-Fi, which is active.
>With Wi-Fi you have two-way communication which results in usage
>of the base owner's facilities. I'm not sure where state law
>stands with regard to passive interception of Wi-Fi, which I
>presume, like any radio signal, falls under the jurisdiction of
>the federal government via the FCC, but actual use of the other
>person's equipment would, I suppose, fall under "theft of
>services".

And how are you to know if the owner wants to allow you to use his
signal or not? I know several people who don't encrypt their signal
for just that reason. And though I read the cite above, I would like
to know exactly how these guys got caught and where the evidence was.
Just what evidence did the cop produce in court? None, of course,
unless the guy just confessed.