Travelling in Scotland and England

Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to Mike....

>> or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
>> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
>
> thats the way to go.

the beauty of rural england is in the villages, byways and moors and
mountains, not on the motorways or railway lines. I think you have to
decide if you have the time to enjoy those rural routes and are able to
adjust to roads where you note the passing places and are ready to reverse
when needed. It would probably be best to stop overnight somewhere in a pub
and really get into it. If all that doesnt appeal and its art galleries and
city museums you want then take whichever mainstream transport is cheaper
or most convenient.
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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Mike.... <mikeysclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:

> Following up to Mike....
>
> >> or a 'challenging' drive across incredible
> >> countryside on incredibly bendy and slow roads.
> >
> > thats the way to go.
>
> the beauty of rural england is in the villages, byways and moors and
> mountains, not on the motorways or railway lines.

You have scant knowledge of UK railways.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor

>>> thats the way to go.
>>
>> the beauty of rural england is in the villages, byways and moors and
>> mountains, not on the motorways or railway lines.
>
> You have scant knowledge of UK railways.

i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was younger.
I probably know a lot more about them than you know about driving and
visiting rural areas.
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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Mike.... <mikeysclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:

> Following up to d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor
>
> >>> thats the way to go.
> >>
> >> the beauty of rural england is in the villages, byways and moors and
> >> mountains, not on the motorways or railway lines.
> >
> > You have scant knowledge of UK railways.
>
> i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was younger.
> I probably know a lot more about them than you know about driving and
> visiting rural areas.

I very much doubt it. Being interested in the trains per se is not the
same as knowing what it is like to travel on them. I've travelled quite
a lot in the UK by car. I doubt very much whether or not you could say
the same about your experience on the railways...

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:14 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

>>> You have scant knowledge of UK railways.
>>
>> i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was younger.
>> I probably know a lot more about them than you know about driving and
>> visiting rural areas.
>
> I very much doubt it. Being interested in the trains per se is not the
> same as knowing what it is like to travel on them. ...

It is one facet of "knowledge of the railways" though. Travelling on them
isn't the only thing.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Tim C. <timchallenger@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:14 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
> chancellor wrote:
>
> >>> You have scant knowledge of UK railways.
> >>
> >> i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was younger.
> >> I probably know a lot more about them than you know about driving and
> >> visiting rural areas.
> >
> > I very much doubt it. Being interested in the trains per se is not the
> > same as knowing what it is like to travel on them. ...
>
> It is one facet of "knowledge of the railways" though. Travelling on them
> isn't the only thing.

Tim, you're obviously not keeping up- travelling on the railways is the
whole _point_ here. Not knowing how they are built etc.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:21:50 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

> Tim C. <timchallenger@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:14 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
>> chancellor wrote:
>>
>>>>> You have scant knowledge of UK railways.
>>>>
>>>> i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was younger.
>>>> I probably know a lot more about them than you know about driving and
>>>> visiting rural areas.
>>>
>>> I very much doubt it. Being interested in the trains per se is not the
>>> same as knowing what it is like to travel on them. ...
>>
>> It is one facet of "knowledge of the railways" though. Travelling on them
>> isn't the only thing.
>
> Tim, you're obviously not keeping up- travelling on the railways is the
> whole _point_ here. Not knowing how they are built etc.

I was commenting only on the bit I quoted. That's how I understood Mikes
comment.

However, knowing how and where and why they're built can give you a pretty
good idea of the views to be had (or not) from the windows. I'm not saying
that there are no good views to be had from trains - quite the opposite in
fact, but do you disagree that the views you're likely to get from a twisty
country lane are likely to be better? Bearing in mind that trains and
motorways often run through less than attractive parts of towns.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Tim C. <timchallenger@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:21:50 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
> chancellor wrote:
>
> > Tim C. <timchallenger@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:09:14 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> You have scant knowledge of UK railways.
> >>>>
> >>>> i have always been rather interested in railways, more when I was
> >>>> younger. I probably know a lot more about them than you know about
> >>>> driving and visiting rural areas.
> >>>
> >>> I very much doubt it. Being interested in the trains per se is not the
> >>> same as knowing what it is like to travel on them. ...
> >>
> >> It is one facet of "knowledge of the railways" though. Travelling on them
> >> isn't the only thing.
> >
> > Tim, you're obviously not keeping up- travelling on the railways is the
> > whole _point_ here. Not knowing how they are built etc.
>
> I was commenting only on the bit I quoted. That's how I understood Mikes
> comment.

There was a very clear context here.

> However, knowing how and where and why they're built can give you a pretty
> good idea of the views to be had (or not) from the windows. I'm not saying
> that there are no good views to be had from trains - quite the opposite in
> fact, but do you disagree that the views you're likely to get from a twisty
> country lane are likely to be better?

If you're driving, I think it's a better idea to keep an idea on the
road.

> Bearing in mind that trains and
> motorways often run through less than attractive parts of towns.

You need to see the comments in their context here, I think. The OP
didn't mention twisty country roads- simply enquired about whether to
travel by train or rent a car. Then that merged into 'boring' motorways,
'boring' train lines, twisty country roads and so on.

FWIW, the majority of train routes here on long distance journeys are
rural. Today, for example, about 10 minutes leaving London, then it's
pretty countryside most of the way until Stockport. Yesterday, I took
Chiltern Trains from Birmingham to London, and that was very pretty
indeed most of the journey.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_ chancellor

> If you're driving, I think it's a better idea to keep an idea on the
> road.

its a fallacy to think you are not aware of the landscape when driving,
when you want a good look , you stop.

>> Bearing in mind that trains and
>> motorways often run through less than attractive parts of towns.
>
> You need to see the comments in their context here, I think. The OP
> didn't mention twisty country roads- simply enquired about whether to
> travel by train or rent a car. Then that merged into 'boring' motorways,
> 'boring' train lines, twisty country roads and so on.

and why not? Thats the whole point of usenet, getting ideas from others.

> FWIW, the majority of train routes here on long distance journeys are
> rural. Today, for example, about 10 minutes leaving London, then it's
> pretty countryside most of the way until Stockport. Yesterday, I took
> Chiltern Trains from Birmingham to London, and that was very pretty
> indeed most of the journey.

As I said, the canals, railways and motorways all group together along the
major river valleys. There are some notable exceptions, but you dont see
the best of England from a train. The motorway from London north are often
in sight of the trains, both pass through the duller countryside.
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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Wed, 7 May 2008 16:44:31 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

>> fact, but do you disagree that the views you're likely to get from a twisty
>> country lane are likely to be better?
>
> If you're driving, I think it's a better idea to keep an idea on the
> road.

Not everyone in a car is driving.
You can stop and take a look. Take a detour, or not, as your mood takes
you.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to Tim C.

> Not everyone in a car is driving.
> You can stop and take a look. Take a detour, or not, as your mood takes
> you.

I reckon the two best tools to investigate a new place are a car and a one
inch OS map, of course the map works best in the UK :-)
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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:28:18 +0100, Mike.... wrote:

> Following up to Tim C.
>
>> Not everyone in a car is driving.
>> You can stop and take a look. Take a detour, or not, as your mood takes
>> you.
>
> I reckon the two best tools to investigate a new place are a car and a one
> inch OS map, of course the map works best in the UK :-)

Especially if it has the names of the town on the local language :-)

I see taking the train for the view is like touring Europe by bus.

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Following up to Tim C.

>> I reckon the two best tools to investigate a new place are a car and a one
>> inch OS map, of course the map works best in the UK :-)
>
> Especially if it has the names of the town on the local language :-)

I'll check the OS Land Ranger Napoli sheet :-S
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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

Tim C. <timchallenger@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[]
> I see taking the train for the view is like touring Europe by bus.

You've misrepresented the point, which is usually Mike's job. This came
up simply because it was suggested that the drive from Manchester to
Edinburgh is boring. It isn't- it's actually rather pretty for most of
the journey. So's the main train route. You'd have to be pretty blind
not to appreciate it. Maybe that's what too much driving does to some
people? Last I checked, the valleys on that route were pretty too...

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Re: Travelling in Scotland and England

On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:04:19 +0100, d4g4h4@yahoo.co.ukDavid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

>> I see taking the train for the view is like touring Europe by bus.
>
> You've misrepresented the point, which is usually Mike's job.

The point has drifted.
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