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Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
Re: Berlin
Martin:
> Monnickendam was a nice place to live too?
> Despite being handy for Volendam? :o)
Well, Monnickendam has several advantages.
- It's a small town with a 16th-18th century harbour and town center
- It's green and family friendly
- It's close to the IJsselmeer and has a mild climate
- It has all healthcare (although the nearest hospitals are in Amsterdam
and Purmerend, about 8-10km away)
- The number of tourists visiting this lovely place is limited...they all
pass by on their way to Volendam, Marken and Edam.
Compared to the village in Germany where we live now:
- it's more lively
- its proximity to Amsterdam is much more convenient
- the public transportation is excellent (and almost non existent in
Osterwald)
However:
- the standard dutch quality of housing is far less than the german way
of building houses
- people in Holland do as they please, as opposed to those in Osterwald,
who respect each other and don't cause disturbance
- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
--
Erick
Martin:
> Monnickendam was a nice place to live too?
> Despite being handy for Volendam? :o)
Well, Monnickendam has several advantages.
- It's a small town with a 16th-18th century harbour and town center
- It's green and family friendly
- It's close to the IJsselmeer and has a mild climate
- It has all healthcare (although the nearest hospitals are in Amsterdam
and Purmerend, about 8-10km away)
- The number of tourists visiting this lovely place is limited...they all
pass by on their way to Volendam, Marken and Edam.
Compared to the village in Germany where we live now:
- it's more lively
- its proximity to Amsterdam is much more convenient
- the public transportation is excellent (and almost non existent in
Osterwald)
However:
- the standard dutch quality of housing is far less than the german way
of building houses
- people in Holland do as they please, as opposed to those in Osterwald,
who respect each other and don't cause disturbance
- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
--
Erick
Re: Berlin
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:53:41 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<erick.use-net@ardane.c-o-m> wrote:
>Martin:
>
>> Monnickendam was a nice place to live too?
>> Despite being handy for Volendam? :o)
>
>Well, Monnickendam has several advantages.
>- It's a small town with a 16th-18th century harbour and town center
>- It's green and family friendly
>- It's close to the IJsselmeer and has a mild climate
>- It has all healthcare (although the nearest hospitals are in Amsterdam
>and Purmerend, about 8-10km away)
>- The number of tourists visiting this lovely place is limited...they all
>pass by on their way to Volendam, Marken and Edam.
It;s why I moored my boat there for years.
>
>Compared to the village in Germany where we live now:
>- it's more lively
>- its proximity to Amsterdam is much more convenient
>- the public transportation is excellent (and almost non existent in
>Osterwald)
>However:
>- the standard dutch quality of housing is far less than the german way
>of building houses
The quality of houses built in post war Britain in the early 1950s is amazingly
good compared to houses built in the late 1960s in NL. My daughters early 1950s
house is much better built and in better condition than our Dutch 1967 built
house.
>- people in Holland do as they please, as opposed to those in Osterwald,
It's getting like that everywhere nowadays, including in UK.
It's one reason we are still living in ZH.
>who respect each other and don't cause disturbance
>- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
Maybe you are lucky. An English friend who has lived in Wuppertal for most of
his life says the opposite about living costs.
The Dutch are over taxed and much of the taxation is squandered.
Why do the Dutch need to buy Joint Strike Fighters off the US?
--
Martin
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:53:41 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<erick.use-net@ardane.c-o-m> wrote:
>Martin:
>
>> Monnickendam was a nice place to live too?
>> Despite being handy for Volendam? :o)
>
>Well, Monnickendam has several advantages.
>- It's a small town with a 16th-18th century harbour and town center
>- It's green and family friendly
>- It's close to the IJsselmeer and has a mild climate
>- It has all healthcare (although the nearest hospitals are in Amsterdam
>and Purmerend, about 8-10km away)
>- The number of tourists visiting this lovely place is limited...they all
>pass by on their way to Volendam, Marken and Edam.
It;s why I moored my boat there for years.
>
>Compared to the village in Germany where we live now:
>- it's more lively
>- its proximity to Amsterdam is much more convenient
>- the public transportation is excellent (and almost non existent in
>Osterwald)
>However:
>- the standard dutch quality of housing is far less than the german way
>of building houses
The quality of houses built in post war Britain in the early 1950s is amazingly
good compared to houses built in the late 1960s in NL. My daughters early 1950s
house is much better built and in better condition than our Dutch 1967 built
house.
>- people in Holland do as they please, as opposed to those in Osterwald,
It's getting like that everywhere nowadays, including in UK.
It's one reason we are still living in ZH.
>who respect each other and don't cause disturbance
>- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
Maybe you are lucky. An English friend who has lived in Wuppertal for most of
his life says the opposite about living costs.
The Dutch are over taxed and much of the taxation is squandered.
Why do the Dutch need to buy Joint Strike Fighters off the US?
--
Martin
Re: Berlin
Martin:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:53:41 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
> <erick.use-net@ardane.c-o-m> wrote:
>
> >- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
>
> Maybe you are lucky. An English friend who has lived in Wuppertal for most of
> his life says the opposite about living costs.
There are vast differences within Germany. See
http :// www .spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,497847,00.html
If you don't need a job (anymore), for instance when you're over 65 and
get some regular income like a pension, you might want to live in a small
town in the Erzgebirge or in the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern area. Extremely
cheap for western european standards.
However, move towards Stuttgart, and your wallet is going to be emptied
in a hurry.
--
Erick
Martin:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:53:41 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
> <erick.use-net@ardane.c-o-m> wrote:
>
> >- living and driving are way more expensive in Monnickendam
>
> Maybe you are lucky. An English friend who has lived in Wuppertal for most of
> his life says the opposite about living costs.
There are vast differences within Germany. See
http :// www .spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,497847,00.html
If you don't need a job (anymore), for instance when you're over 65 and
get some regular income like a pension, you might want to live in a small
town in the Erzgebirge or in the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern area. Extremely
cheap for western european standards.
However, move towards Stuttgart, and your wallet is going to be emptied
in a hurry.
--
Erick
Re: Berlin
"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
news:HuidnbLqAsDjxBfVnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> Keith. might I ask:
>
> "How long you've lived there ?"
> Was it job transfer or " just wanted to move there'
> Temporary / permanent ?
> Employment outlook ?
IME If you don't speak German it is difficult enough "surviving the system"
if you have a job which works in English which was offered to you before you
go.
Arriving there and looking for a job, whilst not speaking German, would be
downright impossible IMHO. You'll be in the queue with the Turks, Russian,
Ukranians, etc.....
> Cost comparison between UK and Berlin etc ?
Berlin is very cheap to live because of the exodus of the East. There is
over supply of property and rents and purchase prices are a bargain.
tim
"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
news:HuidnbLqAsDjxBfVnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> Keith. might I ask:
>
> "How long you've lived there ?"
> Was it job transfer or " just wanted to move there'
> Temporary / permanent ?
> Employment outlook ?
IME If you don't speak German it is difficult enough "surviving the system"
if you have a job which works in English which was offered to you before you
go.
Arriving there and looking for a job, whilst not speaking German, would be
downright impossible IMHO. You'll be in the queue with the Turks, Russian,
Ukranians, etc.....
> Cost comparison between UK and Berlin etc ?
Berlin is very cheap to live because of the exodus of the East. There is
over supply of property and rents and purchase prices are a bargain.
tim
Re: Berlin
Thanks to all
"tim....." <tims new home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6f0ak2F99mhcU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> "- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
> news:HuidnbLqAsDjxBfVnZ2dnUVZ qudnZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> Keith. might I ask:
>>
>> "How long you've lived there ?"
>> Was it job transfer or " just wanted to move there'
>> Temporary / permanent ?
>> Employment outlook ?
>
> IME If you don't speak German it is difficult enough "surviving the
> system" if you have a job which works in English which was offered to
> you before you go.
>
> Arriving there and looking for a job, whilst not speaking German, would
> be downright impossible IMHO. You'll be in the queue with the Turks,
> Russian, Ukranians, etc.....
>
>> Cost comparison between UK and Berlin etc ?
>
> Berlin is very cheap to live because of the exodus of the East. There
> is over supply of property and rents and purchase prices are a bargain.
>
> tim
>
>
>
Thanks to all
"tim....." <tims new home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6f0ak2F99mhcU1@mid.individual,net ...
>
> "- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
> news:HuidnbLqAsDjxBfVnZ2dnUVZ qudnZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> Keith. might I ask:
>>
>> "How long you've lived there ?"
>> Was it job transfer or " just wanted to move there'
>> Temporary / permanent ?
>> Employment outlook ?
>
> IME If you don't speak German it is difficult enough "surviving the
> system" if you have a job which works in English which was offered to
> you before you go.
>
> Arriving there and looking for a job, whilst not speaking German, would
> be downright impossible IMHO. You'll be in the queue with the Turks,
> Russian, Ukranians, etc.....
>
>> Cost comparison between UK and Berlin etc ?
>
> Berlin is very cheap to live because of the exodus of the East. There
> is over supply of property and rents and purchase prices are a bargain.
>
> tim
>
>
>
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
Keith Anderson wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT), ll 1002@yahoo,com wrote:
>
>
>>Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
>>decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
>>Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
>>What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
>>convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
>>links). Would appreciate any info.
>
>
> Savignyplatz is a good choice - near Kurfürstendamm and "Centre West"
> - plenty of restaurants and shops nearby as well as the S-Bahn station
> and bus routes.One stop on the S-Bahn and you're at Zoo station, from
> where useful bus routes such as the 100 and 200 start. Both the 100
> and 200 head towards Alexanderplatz and go along Unter den Linden -
> the 200 goes via Potsdamer Platz and the 100 via the
> Reichstag/Brandenburger Tor. Under the railway bridge at Zoo station
> is Ullrich's supermarket - amazing choice of stuff (especially wines
> and spirits) and it opens on Sunday which most shops don't in Germany.
>
> Traveplatz in Friedrichshain would be good as well - Friedrichshain is
> an "up and coming" area and Traveplatz is not far from Simon-Dach
> Strasse which is full of restaurants. You're also near Karl Marx Allee
> (former Stalinallee) - built in the 1950s as a "Socialist Boulevard"
> in the Stalin "wedding-cake" style, but with neo-classical porches and
> doorways as a reference back to the Berlin architect Karl-Friedrich
> Schinkel. You're on the M13 tram route which will take you to places
> with interchange to the S-Bahn (overhead fast railway) and the
> Underground (U-Bahn).
>
> Both areas are regarded as part of the Berlin "Szene" ("scene") and
> are safe.
>
> Personally, I'd go for Savignyplatz because of the transport links at
> Zoo, but see what others say.
>
> Buy a "Tageskarte" (day ticket) at the machines at an S-Bahn or
> underground station - instructions in English too. Currently a
> Tageskarte for zones A and B is € 6.10 - if you want to go to Potsdam
> you'll need a day ticket for zones A,B and C - this is € 6.50. Forget
> the City Tour Card and Berlin Welcome Card unless you have clear plans
> of what you want to see - the CTC and BWC are more expensive but offer
> discounts tocertain tourist attractions.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>
> Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
> now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
T.
Keith Anderson wrote:
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT), ll 1002@yahoo,com wrote:
>
>
>>Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
>>decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
>>Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
>>What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
>>convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
>>links). Would appreciate any info.
>
>
> Savignyplatz is a good choice - near Kurfürstendamm and "Centre West"
> - plenty of restaurants and shops nearby as well as the S-Bahn station
> and bus routes.One stop on the S-Bahn and you're at Zoo station, from
> where useful bus routes such as the 100 and 200 start. Both the 100
> and 200 head towards Alexanderplatz and go along Unter den Linden -
> the 200 goes via Potsdamer Platz and the 100 via the
> Reichstag/Brandenburger Tor. Under the railway bridge at Zoo station
> is Ullrich's supermarket - amazing choice of stuff (especially wines
> and spirits) and it opens on Sunday which most shops don't in Germany.
>
> Traveplatz in Friedrichshain would be good as well - Friedrichshain is
> an "up and coming" area and Traveplatz is not far from Simon-Dach
> Strasse which is full of restaurants. You're also near Karl Marx Allee
> (former Stalinallee) - built in the 1950s as a "Socialist Boulevard"
> in the Stalin "wedding-cake" style, but with neo-classical porches and
> doorways as a reference back to the Berlin architect Karl-Friedrich
> Schinkel. You're on the M13 tram route which will take you to places
> with interchange to the S-Bahn (overhead fast railway) and the
> Underground (U-Bahn).
>
> Both areas are regarded as part of the Berlin "Szene" ("scene") and
> are safe.
>
> Personally, I'd go for Savignyplatz because of the transport links at
> Zoo, but see what others say.
>
> Buy a "Tageskarte" (day ticket) at the machines at an S-Bahn or
> underground station - instructions in English too. Currently a
> Tageskarte for zones A and B is € 6.10 - if you want to go to Potsdam
> you'll need a day ticket for zones A,B and C - this is € 6.50. Forget
> the City Tour Card and Berlin Welcome Card unless you have clear plans
> of what you want to see - the CTC and BWC are more expensive but offer
> discounts tocertain tourist attractions.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>
> Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
> now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
T.
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:39:29 +0200, Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de>
wrote:
>I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
>of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
>round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
>the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s.
Point taken.
>The eastern side has
>much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
>galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
>Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
Prenzlauer Berg is also a good location - it had been a very run-down
working-class area, but the DDR government began restoring it -
particularly Husemannstrasse.
Since re-unification it has become very upmarket - places quite
expensive to rent or buy - lots of resonably well-to-do foreigners
have moved in. Then there's the "Kulturbrauerei" - former brewery
turned into spaces for exhibitions and performances and some great
eateries around Kollwitzplatz and the water-tower.
Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:39:29 +0200, Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de>
wrote:
>I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
>of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
>round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
>the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s.
Point taken.
>The eastern side has
>much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
>galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
>Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
Prenzlauer Berg is also a good location - it had been a very run-down
working-class area, but the DDR government began restoring it -
particularly Husemannstrasse.
Since re-unification it has become very upmarket - places quite
expensive to rent or buy - lots of resonably well-to-do foreigners
have moved in. Then there's the "Kulturbrauerei" - former brewery
turned into spaces for exhibitions and performances and some great
eateries around Kollwitzplatz and the water-tower.
Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
In article <ghjd24hp50k4d3i508ij46loi9dg7k84b3@4ax,com >,
Keith Anderson <keefy@privacy,net > wrote:
> >I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
> >of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
> >round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
> >the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s.
>
> Point taken.
>
> >The eastern side has
> >much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
> >galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
> >Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
>
> Prenzlauer Berg is also a good location - it had been a very run-down
> working-class area, but the DDR government began restoring it -
> particularly Husemannstrasse.
>
> Since re-unification it has become very upmarket - places quite
> expensive to rent or buy - lots of resonably well-to-do foreigners
> have moved in. Then there's the "Kulturbrauerei" - former brewery
> turned into spaces for exhibitions and performances and some great
> eateries around Kollwitzplatz and the water-tower.
>
I spent most of my time last July in the East, stayed in Mitte.
They have built up a lot of towers all over and many of them are empty.
Tourism is apparently a bigger part of the economy than other German
cities.
Accommodations are cheaper than most other big European cities, it seems.
In article <ghjd24hp50k4d3i508ij46loi9dg7k84b3@4ax,com >,
Keith Anderson <keefy@privacy,net > wrote:
> >I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
> >of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
> >round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
> >the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s.
>
> Point taken.
>
> >The eastern side has
> >much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
> >galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
> >Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
>
> Prenzlauer Berg is also a good location - it had been a very run-down
> working-class area, but the DDR government began restoring it -
> particularly Husemannstrasse.
>
> Since re-unification it has become very upmarket - places quite
> expensive to rent or buy - lots of resonably well-to-do foreigners
> have moved in. Then there's the "Kulturbrauerei" - former brewery
> turned into spaces for exhibitions and performances and some great
> eateries around Kollwitzplatz and the water-tower.
>
I spent most of my time last July in the East, stayed in Mitte.
They have built up a lot of towers all over and many of them are empty.
Tourism is apparently a bigger part of the economy than other German
cities.
Accommodations are cheaper than most other big European cities, it seems.
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
Nothing to do with the real East Berlin, just another nice tourist trap or a
place for the wealthy.
Nice to visit though.
"Tom P" <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> a écrit dans le message de
news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Keith Anderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT), ll 1002@yahoo,com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
>>>decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
>>>Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
>>>What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
>>>convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
>>>links). Would appreciate any info.
>>
>>
>> Savignyplatz is a good choice - near Kurfürstendamm and "Centre West"
>> - plenty of restaurants and shops nearby as well as the S-Bahn station
>> and bus routes.One stop on the S-Bahn and you're at Zoo station, from
>> where useful bus routes such as the 100 and 200 start. Both the 100
>> and 200 head towards Alexanderplatz and go along Unter den Linden -
>> the 200 goes via Potsdamer Platz and the 100 via the
>> Reichstag/Brandenburger Tor. Under the railway bridge at Zoo station
>> is Ullrich's supermarket - amazing choice of stuff (especially wines
>> and spirits) and it opens on Sunday which most shops don't in Germany.
>>
>> Traveplatz in Friedrichshain would be good as well - Friedrichshain is
>> an "up and coming" area and Traveplatz is not far from Simon-Dach
>> Strasse which is full of restaurants. You're also near Karl Marx Allee
>> (former Stalinallee) - built in the 1950s as a "Socialist Boulevard"
>> in the Stalin "wedding-cake" style, but with neo-classical porches and
>> doorways as a reference back to the Berlin architect Karl-Friedrich
>> Schinkel. You're on the M13 tram route which will take you to places
>> with interchange to the S-Bahn (overhead fast railway) and the
>> Underground (U-Bahn).
>>
>> Both areas are regarded as part of the Berlin "Szene" ("scene") and
>> are safe.
>>
>> Personally, I'd go for Savignyplatz because of the transport links at
>> Zoo, but see what others say.
>>
>> Buy a "Tageskarte" (day ticket) at the machines at an S-Bahn or
>> underground station - instructions in English too. Currently a
>> Tageskarte for zones A and B is € 6.10 - if you want to go to Potsdam
>> you'll need a day ticket for zones A,B and C - this is € 6.50. Forget
>> the City Tour Card and Berlin Welcome Card unless you have clear plans
>> of what you want to see - the CTC and BWC are more expensive but offer
>> discounts tocertain tourist attractions.
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
>> now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
>
> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts of
> Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores round
> the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of the
> city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has much more
> of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art galleries and
> little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the Prenzauler Berg
> area, and it was fabulous.
>
> T.
Nothing to do with the real East Berlin, just another nice tourist trap or a
place for the wealthy.
Nice to visit though.
"Tom P" <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> a écrit dans le message de
news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Keith Anderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT), ll 1002@yahoo,com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
>>>decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
>>>Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
>>>What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
>>>convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
>>>links). Would appreciate any info.
>>
>>
>> Savignyplatz is a good choice - near Kurfürstendamm and "Centre West"
>> - plenty of restaurants and shops nearby as well as the S-Bahn station
>> and bus routes.One stop on the S-Bahn and you're at Zoo station, from
>> where useful bus routes such as the 100 and 200 start. Both the 100
>> and 200 head towards Alexanderplatz and go along Unter den Linden -
>> the 200 goes via Potsdamer Platz and the 100 via the
>> Reichstag/Brandenburger Tor. Under the railway bridge at Zoo station
>> is Ullrich's supermarket - amazing choice of stuff (especially wines
>> and spirits) and it opens on Sunday which most shops don't in Germany.
>>
>> Traveplatz in Friedrichshain would be good as well - Friedrichshain is
>> an "up and coming" area and Traveplatz is not far from Simon-Dach
>> Strasse which is full of restaurants. You're also near Karl Marx Allee
>> (former Stalinallee) - built in the 1950s as a "Socialist Boulevard"
>> in the Stalin "wedding-cake" style, but with neo-classical porches and
>> doorways as a reference back to the Berlin architect Karl-Friedrich
>> Schinkel. You're on the M13 tram route which will take you to places
>> with interchange to the S-Bahn (overhead fast railway) and the
>> Underground (U-Bahn).
>>
>> Both areas are regarded as part of the Berlin "Szene" ("scene") and
>> are safe.
>>
>> Personally, I'd go for Savignyplatz because of the transport links at
>> Zoo, but see what others say.
>>
>> Buy a "Tageskarte" (day ticket) at the machines at an S-Bahn or
>> underground station - instructions in English too. Currently a
>> Tageskarte for zones A and B is € 6.10 - if you want to go to Potsdam
>> you'll need a day ticket for zones A,B and C - this is € 6.50. Forget
>> the City Tour Card and Berlin Welcome Card unless you have clear plans
>> of what you want to see - the CTC and BWC are more expensive but offer
>> discounts tocertain tourist attractions.
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
>> now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
>
> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts of
> Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores round
> the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of the
> city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has much more
> of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art galleries and
> little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the Prenzauler Berg
> area, and it was fabulous.
>
> T.
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> wrote in
news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net :
> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
> of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
> round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
> the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
> much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
> galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
> Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
This may be a valid statement when comparing Prenzlauer Berg vs.
Kurfürstendamm, but not about "East Berlin" vs. "West Berlin". Berlin
is a much too diverse city to make such statements about the two former
parts. Of course there are parts with 19th century housing, cobblestone
streets and gas lanterns in both former parts of the city, both have
areas with art galleries, and of course East Berlin has its share of
sterile shopping malls. Nowadays you cannot tell from a typical street
scenery if you are in East or West Berlin. You can probably tell if
you're in the inner city or in a suburb, but that's it.
--
La mer au ciel d'été confond ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs, la mer
Bergère d'azur infinie
Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> wrote in
news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net :
> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
> of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
> round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
> the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
> much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
> galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
> Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
This may be a valid statement when comparing Prenzlauer Berg vs.
Kurfürstendamm, but not about "East Berlin" vs. "West Berlin". Berlin
is a much too diverse city to make such statements about the two former
parts. Of course there are parts with 19th century housing, cobblestone
streets and gas lanterns in both former parts of the city, both have
areas with art galleries, and of course East Berlin has its share of
sterile shopping malls. Nowadays you cannot tell from a typical street
scenery if you are in East or West Berlin. You can probably tell if
you're in the inner city or in a suburb, but that's it.
--
La mer au ciel d'été confond ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs, la mer
Bergère d'azur infinie
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
Thanks to everyone who replied, all the info is much appreciated and
will help us plan our trip. We've decided to stay in Charlottenburg
this time....hopefully there'll be a next visit!
Thanks to everyone who replied, all the info is much appreciated and
will help us plan our trip. We've decided to stay in Charlottenburg
this time....hopefully there'll be a next visit!
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
On 12 May 2008 08:34:28 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke <see@sig.nature> wrote:
>Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> wrote in
>news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net :
>
>> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
>> of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
>> round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
>> the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
>> much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
>> galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
>> Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
>
>This may be a valid statement when comparing Prenzlauer Berg vs.
>Kurfürstendamm, but not about "East Berlin" vs. "West Berlin". Berlin
>is a much too diverse city to make such statements about the two former
>parts. Of course there are parts with 19th century housing, cobblestone
>streets and gas lanterns in both former parts of the city, both have
>areas with art galleries, and of course East Berlin has its share of
>sterile shopping malls. Nowadays you cannot tell from a typical street
>scenery if you are in East or West Berlin. You can probably tell if
>you're in the inner city or in a suburb, but that's it.
Wolfgang's right - it's getting more and more difficult to tell "East"
from "West". There has been an unbelievable amount of restoration in
the East - and the former, grey, crumbling facades of older buildings
are (almost) a thing of the past. There are still a few places which
look like "typical" DDR - parts of Lichtenberg, Hohenschönhausen and
Weissensee, for example, but they're the exception now rather than the
rule. Shops, cafés and businesses have opened up in what were formerly
streets devoid of anything except the occasional "Konsum" or "HO"
Lebensmittel shops and corner pub.
(Konsum and HO - Handelsorganisation der DDR - state retail groups)
The Communist high-rises in Marzahn (etc) have also had a facelift.
For some Ostalgia you could try this (near Ostbahnhof - East station)
http :// www .ostel.eu/ostelen/index.html
Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
On 12 May 2008 08:34:28 GMT, Wolfgang Schwanke <see@sig.nature> wrote:
>Tom P <notreallylgogp@freenet.de> wrote in
>news:68o0mvF2r6kanU1@mid.individual,net :
>
>> I was in Berlin last weekend, personally I found the ex-socialist parts
>> of Berlin much more interesting than the western parts. The big stores
>> round the K'Damm are much the same as in any other big city, and much of
>> the city in the west was sanitized in the '70s. The eastern side has
>> much more of the original Berlin flavour, with cobbled streets, art
>> galleries and little street cafes and restaurants. We stayed in the
>> Prenzauler Berg area, and it was fabulous.
>
>This may be a valid statement when comparing Prenzlauer Berg vs.
>Kurfürstendamm, but not about "East Berlin" vs. "West Berlin". Berlin
>is a much too diverse city to make such statements about the two former
>parts. Of course there are parts with 19th century housing, cobblestone
>streets and gas lanterns in both former parts of the city, both have
>areas with art galleries, and of course East Berlin has its share of
>sterile shopping malls. Nowadays you cannot tell from a typical street
>scenery if you are in East or West Berlin. You can probably tell if
>you're in the inner city or in a suburb, but that's it.
Wolfgang's right - it's getting more and more difficult to tell "East"
from "West". There has been an unbelievable amount of restoration in
the East - and the former, grey, crumbling facades of older buildings
are (almost) a thing of the past. There are still a few places which
look like "typical" DDR - parts of Lichtenberg, Hohenschönhausen and
Weissensee, for example, but they're the exception now rather than the
rule. Shops, cafés and businesses have opened up in what were formerly
streets devoid of anything except the occasional "Konsum" or "HO"
Lebensmittel shops and corner pub.
(Konsum and HO - Handelsorganisation der DDR - state retail groups)
The Communist high-rises in Marzahn (etc) have also had a facelift.
For some Ostalgia you could try this (near Ostbahnhof - East station)
http :// www .ostel.eu/ostelen/index.html
Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen
Re: Where to stay in Berlin - Traveplatz or Charlottenburg?
<ll_1002@yahoo,com > skrev i meddelandet
news:38cb2494-2864-4550-8d85-2d7d38686f10@j33g2000pri.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
> decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
> Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
> What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
> convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
> links). Would appreciate any info.
---------
I would suggest you to stay in the Savignyplatzarea as in my opinion it's
a cozy area but still quiet on a little distance from Kudamm
<ll_1002@yahoo,com > skrev i meddelandet
news:38cb2494-2864-4550-8d85-2d7d38686f10@j33g2000pri.googlegroups,com ...
> Hi, I'll be going to Berlin with a friend in June. We're trying to
> decide if we should stay in Traveplatz or in Charlottenburg (near
> Savignyplatz). Anyone here can shed some light on these two areas?
> What are these places like? We're most concerned about safety and
> convenience (must have shops and restaurants nearby, good transport
> links). Would appreciate any info.
---------
I would suggest you to stay in the Savignyplatzarea as in my opinion it's
a cozy area but still quiet on a little distance from Kudamm
