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Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
The Audacity of Rhetoric
By Thomas Sowell
It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into
knots trying to evade the obvious.
Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what
his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack
Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time — and a
bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.
It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny.
Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought
out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends
carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."
These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and
punk rock performance poets" — in Obama's own words — as well as the
"more politically active black students." He later visited a former
member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he
ran for state senator.
Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened
to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the
kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college — members of
the left, anti-American counter-culture.
In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama — "A
Bound Man" — it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people
seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in
growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to
blackness, as it were — and, like many converts, he went overboard.
Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S.
Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable
consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite
inconsistencies in what he says.
The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being
the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has
required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a
post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together.
The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and
entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's
talent and a warning about his reliability.
There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the
views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less
reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's
bringing us all together?
Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left?
Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became
politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah
Wright?
One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment
by his grandmother — "a typical white person," he says — with an
organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and
white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright.
Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different
except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look
similar verbally, however different they are in the real world.
Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and
Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the
black community.
There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among
whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined
the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it
OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?
While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from
now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks
who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for
decades to come.
Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational
standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message
that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked
against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much
audacity it may have.
The Audacity of Rhetoric
By Thomas Sowell
It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into
knots trying to evade the obvious.
Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what
his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack
Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time — and a
bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.
It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny.
Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought
out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends
carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."
These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and
punk rock performance poets" — in Obama's own words — as well as the
"more politically active black students." He later visited a former
member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he
ran for state senator.
Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened
to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the
kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college — members of
the left, anti-American counter-culture.
In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama — "A
Bound Man" — it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people
seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in
growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to
blackness, as it were — and, like many converts, he went overboard.
Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S.
Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable
consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite
inconsistencies in what he says.
The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being
the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has
required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a
post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together.
The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and
entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's
talent and a warning about his reliability.
There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the
views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less
reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's
bringing us all together?
Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left?
Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became
politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah
Wright?
One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment
by his grandmother — "a typical white person," he says — with an
organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and
white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright.
Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different
except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look
similar verbally, however different they are in the real world.
Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and
Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the
black community.
There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among
whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined
the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it
OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?
While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from
now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks
who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for
decades to come.
Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational
standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message
that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked
against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much
audacity it may have.
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Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast . net > wrote in
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> They sure aren't
> nitpicking that pig that McCain had. You hear nothing about him. And
> his demonization of the Catholics -- I think that tirade lasted a day
> or two. He was as bad if not worse than Wright but they are playing
> his rhetoric ad nauseam, gee I wonder how come?
That'll probably come out by the democrats in the general election. I
don't mean that to be negative against democrats but right now, there is
nobody on the republican side against McCain. Hilary's camp is too busy
trying to demonize Obama right now and IMO, it's doing more harm than good
for the Dem party. Why bring out all the ugliness within your own party?
Leave that up to the other party. LOL
"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast . net > wrote in
news:_6udnSIjOLYWjnLanZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast . com :
> They sure aren't
> nitpicking that pig that McCain had. You hear nothing about him. And
> his demonization of the Catholics -- I think that tirade lasted a day
> or two. He was as bad if not worse than Wright but they are playing
> his rhetoric ad nauseam, gee I wonder how come?
That'll probably come out by the democrats in the general election. I
don't mean that to be negative against democrats but right now, there is
nobody on the republican side against McCain. Hilary's camp is too busy
trying to demonize Obama right now and IMO, it's doing more harm than good
for the Dem party. Why bring out all the ugliness within your own party?
Leave that up to the other party. LOL
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
What preacher after 9/11 or Katrina said that it was the fault of the
gays and lesbians and pro-choicers? That was not so very long ago! If
I can ignore that prominent nutjob, I can also ignore Wright. I would
be voting for Obama, not for his pastor.
What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
at their social situation in this country. I guess they've never been
stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
Gisele
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What preacher after 9/11 or Katrina said that it was the fault of the
gays and lesbians and pro-choicers? That was not so very long ago! If
I can ignore that prominent nutjob, I can also ignore Wright. I would
be voting for Obama, not for his pastor.
What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
at their social situation in this country. I guess they've never been
stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
Gisele
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Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
Gisele wrote:
> What preacher after 9/11 or Katrina said that it was the fault of the
> gays and lesbians and pro-choicers? That was not so very long ago! If
> I can ignore that prominent nutjob, I can also ignore Wright. I would
> be voting for Obama, not for his pastor.
>
We all know he was a nut job.
> What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
> to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
> at their social situation in this country. I guess they've never been
> stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
>
> Gisele
>
>
What I'm surprised and amazed about is the black (and white) people who
try to turn everything into a race issue and blame everyone else for
their troubles. Of course there is still prejudice in some parts of the
country. I saw a lot of prejudice growing up because we were extremely
poor, but it doesn't do any good to hang on to that memory. I certainly
wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
the rich.
Marsha
Gisele wrote:
> What preacher after 9/11 or Katrina said that it was the fault of the
> gays and lesbians and pro-choicers? That was not so very long ago! If
> I can ignore that prominent nutjob, I can also ignore Wright. I would
> be voting for Obama, not for his pastor.
>
We all know he was a nut job.
> What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
> to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
> at their social situation in this country. I guess they've never been
> stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
>
> Gisele
>
>
What I'm surprised and amazed about is the black (and white) people who
try to turn everything into a race issue and blame everyone else for
their troubles. Of course there is still prejudice in some parts of the
country. I saw a lot of prejudice growing up because we were extremely
poor, but it doesn't do any good to hang on to that memory. I certainly
wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
the rich.
Marsha
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
> I certainly
> wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
> the rich.
>
> Marsha
>
And you won't hear most of them doing that, since organized religion is
mostly a moneyed interest. I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
over these days?
Gisele
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> I certainly
> wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
> the rich.
>
> Marsha
>
And you won't hear most of them doing that, since organized religion is
mostly a moneyed interest. I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
over these days?
Gisele
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Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
Ronald Reagan didn't stay out of church altogether. He just didn't have
cameramen around shooting pictures of it.
"Gisele" <Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in message
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>
>> I certainly
>> wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
>> the rich.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>
> And you won't hear most of them doing that, since organized religion is
> mostly a moneyed interest. I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
> simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
> over these days?
>
> Gisele
>
>
> --
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>
Ronald Reagan didn't stay out of church altogether. He just didn't have
cameramen around shooting pictures of it.
"Gisele" <Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in message
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>
>> I certainly
>> wouldn't defend a preacher who blames all of poor people's troubles on
>> the rich.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>
> And you won't hear most of them doing that, since organized religion is
> mostly a moneyed interest. I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
> simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
> over these days?
>
> Gisele
>
>
> --
> Gisele
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Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
Gisele <Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in
news:Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au:
> I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
> simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
> over these days?
How do you know this - that he stayed out of church altogether??
Gisele <Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in
news:Gisele.373eqm@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au:
> I guess Ronald Reagan had the right idea by
> simply staying out of church altogether, I wonder how well that would go
> over these days?
How do you know this - that he stayed out of church altogether??
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
((Of course there is still prejudice in some parts of the
country.))
Marsha, I don't know about prejudice against people of another race
from what I am. No, I tell a lie! My first friend when I moved out on
my own to Boston was a black woman named Nina. She and her friends
made a shy country girl feel welcome. My mother, a wee bit of a snob,
said she'd disown me if I didn't find white friends instead. I quickly
learned not to share any more of my new life with my family and
remained friends with Nina for years. At that point in my life, I was
still a coward and unable to stand up for what I considered right.
Trust me, though, when I say I've felt prejudice because I'm a woman,
and a single one at that. In the early 1960's, one boss told me he
didn't want female computer operators because they were too
distracting to the men working in the room. That was the first (and
last) time a man ever told I was distracting.
Another boss years in the late 1970's told me the odds were
astronomical against my being a computer programmer in a field
dominated by men. I made it and worked extra hard to show the
chauvinist I was equal to or even better than his other programmers.
When I was looking at buying my first home back in 1974, the old
geezer who owned one of the houses I checked out told me I'd never
qualify for a loan since I was a woman. Well, I did quite easily and
smiled whenever I passed his house that burned months later.
Still, even though I'd like to see a woman as our next President, the
one we are being offered is not my choice. Perhaps it's the stale,
old baggage she'd bring to the job, mainly her husband. The idea of
having a black man in the running is exciting, but I'm not sure if
he's the right man either. I'm willing to listen before finally
making up my mind about him.
Judity
My pieces written so far in 2008
* w w w .writing . com /main/view item/item id/1368966
or read any of my other stories in the link below
* judity.Writing . com /
((Of course there is still prejudice in some parts of the
country.))
Marsha, I don't know about prejudice against people of another race
from what I am. No, I tell a lie! My first friend when I moved out on
my own to Boston was a black woman named Nina. She and her friends
made a shy country girl feel welcome. My mother, a wee bit of a snob,
said she'd disown me if I didn't find white friends instead. I quickly
learned not to share any more of my new life with my family and
remained friends with Nina for years. At that point in my life, I was
still a coward and unable to stand up for what I considered right.
Trust me, though, when I say I've felt prejudice because I'm a woman,
and a single one at that. In the early 1960's, one boss told me he
didn't want female computer operators because they were too
distracting to the men working in the room. That was the first (and
last) time a man ever told I was distracting.
Another boss years in the late 1970's told me the odds were
astronomical against my being a computer programmer in a field
dominated by men. I made it and worked extra hard to show the
chauvinist I was equal to or even better than his other programmers.
When I was looking at buying my first home back in 1974, the old
geezer who owned one of the houses I checked out told me I'd never
qualify for a loan since I was a woman. Well, I did quite easily and
smiled whenever I passed his house that burned months later.
Still, even though I'd like to see a woman as our next President, the
one we are being offered is not my choice. Perhaps it's the stale,
old baggage she'd bring to the job, mainly her husband. The idea of
having a black man in the running is exciting, but I'm not sure if
he's the right man either. I'm willing to listen before finally
making up my mind about him.
Judity
My pieces written so far in 2008
* w w w .writing . com /main/view item/item id/1368966
or read any of my other stories in the link below
* judity.Writing . com /
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material
> Now you're being silly. Of course, we all know that liberals don't
> believe in responsibility to go with that freedom of speech, or what it
> takes to keep that particular freedom.
>
> So, if people want to keep that freedom, they are supposed to shut up?
Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
because of racial profiling? If not....
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> Now you're being silly. Of course, we all know that liberals don't
> believe in responsibility to go with that freedom of speech, or what it
> takes to keep that particular freedom.
>
> So, if people want to keep that freedom, they are supposed to shut up?
Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
because of racial profiling? If not....
Gisele
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> Which of the three candidates understands that personal responsibility
> is the right thing to do?
Social programs for our country, or our troops in Iraq for the next
hundred years? Oh, how to choose????
Gisele
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> Which of the three candidates understands that personal responsibility
> is the right thing to do?
Social programs for our country, or our troops in Iraq for the next
hundred years? Oh, how to choose????
Gisele
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We'll see where the money is going to come from to pay for all those social
programs for 300 million people.
"Gisele" <Gisele.374b4n@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in message
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> Social programs for our country, or our troops in Iraq for the next
> hundred years? Oh, how to choose????
>
> Gisele
>
>
> --
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>
We'll see where the money is going to come from to pay for all those social
programs for 300 million people.
"Gisele" <Gisele.374b4n@no-mx.forums.yourdomain . com .au> wrote in message
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> Social programs for our country, or our troops in Iraq for the next
> hundred years? Oh, how to choose????
>
> Gisele
>
>
> --
> Gisele
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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Gisele wrote:
> Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
> because of racial profiling? If not....
>
> Gisele
>
So every police department in the entire country stops cars with black
people in it just for the hell of it? There is still prejudice in this
country, but I don't believe it's nearly as widespread as the
fear-mongers would have everyone believe. You've been listening to
Wright and his ilk way too much.
Marsha
Gisele wrote:
> Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
> because of racial profiling? If not....
>
> Gisele
>
So every police department in the entire country stops cars with black
people in it just for the hell of it? There is still prejudice in this
country, but I don't believe it's nearly as widespread as the
fear-mongers would have everyone believe. You've been listening to
Wright and his ilk way too much.
Marsha
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OMG!
--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Marsha" <mas@xeb . net > wrote in message news:fsrtgo$7pf$2@news.datemas.de...
> Gisele wrote:
>> Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
>> because of racial profiling? If not....
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>
> So every police department in the entire country stops cars with black
> people in it just for the hell of it? There is still prejudice in this
> country, but I don't believe it's nearly as widespread as the fear-mongers
> would have everyone believe. You've been listening to Wright and his ilk
> way too much.
>
> Marsha
>
OMG!
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"Marsha" <mas@xeb . net > wrote in message news:fsrtgo$7pf$2@news.datemas.de...
> Gisele wrote:
>> Once again, I have to ask if you have been stopped in your car by police
>> because of racial profiling? If not....
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>
> So every police department in the entire country stops cars with black
> people in it just for the hell of it? There is still prejudice in this
> country, but I don't believe it's nearly as widespread as the fear-mongers
> would have everyone believe. You've been listening to Wright and his ilk
> way too much.
>
> Marsha
>
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I don't know about every police department everywhere, but it happens
here. An MT and friend of mine in my same town is married to a black man
(African born). He worked a late shift at a company in Portland. Many
times he was stopped on his way home for no reason (no citations at
least most of the times). She finally got fed up and wrote to Mike
Chitwood, the COP in Portland at the time. She'd say if he told her she
was speeding, she'd say, "I'm not black" just kidding with him. But, it
really isn't funny to think that happens. No different than if they
stopped every blonde or brunnette on some nebuluous excuse.
There was an article in a recent Reader's Digest on towns that
basically still try to keep blacks out.
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I don't know about every police department everywhere, but it happens
here. An MT and friend of mine in my same town is married to a black man
(African born). He worked a late shift at a company in Portland. Many
times he was stopped on his way home for no reason (no citations at
least most of the times). She finally got fed up and wrote to Mike
Chitwood, the COP in Portland at the time. She'd say if he told her she
was speeding, she'd say, "I'm not black" just kidding with him. But, it
really isn't funny to think that happens. No different than if they
stopped every blonde or brunnette on some nebuluous excuse.
There was an article in a recent Reader's Digest on towns that
basically still try to keep blacks out.
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