OT: horses and space shuttles

OT: horses and space shuttles

The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5
inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because
that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S. railroads were built
by English expatriates. Why did the English build them that way? Because the
first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad
tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge
then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs & tools
that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. So why
did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break
on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the
spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first
long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for
their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the
roads? The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear of
destroying their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman war chariots.

Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome,they were all alike
in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4
feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial
Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the
next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up
with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots
were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of two war horses.

Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the
story... When we see a space shuttle sitting on its launching pad, there are
two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These are
solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at their
factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might have preferred
to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by train from the
factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run
thru a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel is slightly wider than the
railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses'
behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most
advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by
the width of a horse's ass!

Re: horses and space shuttles

This reminds me of one of my very favorite poems called, "The Cowpath."

Essentially it starts with a wobbly calf staggering along his first unsteady
steps, making a slight depression in the grass. Of course other animals
followed this slightly easier pathway, to larger ones, to country pathways
and to roads, all following that path the wobbly calf took instead of
straightening the road to make it efficient. New England is full of matured
"Cowpaths".

Barb C.
"Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@earthlink,net > wrote in message
news:0e-dnURUSN2sA6zVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
> The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet,
> 8.5 inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
> Because that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S. railroads
> were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them that
> way? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built
> the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they"
> use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the
> same jigs & tools that they used for building wagons, which used that
> wheel spacing. So why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
>
> Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break
> on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the
> spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first
> long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome
> for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in
> the roads? The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear of
> destroying their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman war chariots.
>
> Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome,they were all alike
> in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4
> feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial
> Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the
> next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came
> up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war
> chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of two war
> horses.
>
> Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the
> story... When we see a space shuttle sitting on its launching pad, there
> are two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These
> are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at
> their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might have
> preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by
> train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the
> factory had to run thru a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel is slightly
> wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as
> two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the
> world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two
> thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass!
>
>
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

But aren't those wobbly calf trails fun?

When I was little, we went to Pine Lodge in the Capitan Mountains, a 50-mile
trip on a dirt and gravel road. Glen and I rode in the back of the '36 Ford
pickemup, sometimes sitting on the tailgate when we had to go real slow.

Heading west, we passed 13-Mile Hill, then on to Jones Ranch, the Sand
Hills, the Windmill, Rattlesnake Ridge, then down the Stair Steps to
Purcella flats, hoping it had not rained recently so we could get through.
If we made it that far, we passed 17-mile corner, then Cactus Hill, and past
Bugtussel, on to 4-Mile Corner. The road got even rougher, and we passed
the Rocks at the old Lumber Mill, on past the Campground, and we were almost
there!

By then it was very dark, and the cabin only had kerosene lanterns for
light. I trimmed the wicks and cleaned the globes with newspapers, using a
flashlight. Dad started the fire in the fireplace while Mom started supper.
We sat down to eat, when Dad saw "something" outside the window. He stared,
and I dived under the table....

Nowadays, the road has been paved, straightened, and totally avoids The
Stair Steps and Purcella Flats. Back then, getting there or not getting
there was half the fun!

Neal
"Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl,net > wrote in message
news:39qdnZYqxLMgL6zVnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@tampabaydsl,com ...
> This reminds me of one of my very favorite poems called, "The Cowpath."
>
> Essentially it starts with a wobbly calf staggering along his first
> unsteady steps, making a slight depression in the grass. Of course other
> animals followed this slightly easier pathway, to larger ones, to country
> pathways and to roads, all following that path the wobbly calf took
> instead of straightening the road to make it efficient. New England is
> full of matured "Cowpaths".
>
> Barb C.
> "Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@earthlink,net > wrote in message
> news:0e-dnURUSN2sA6zVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>> The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet,
>> 8.5 inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
>> Because that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S. railroads
>> were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them that
>> way? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built
>> the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they"
>> use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the
>> same jigs & tools that they used for building wagons, which used that
>> wheel spacing. So why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
>>
>> Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would
>> break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's
>> the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The
>> first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial
>> Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts
>> in the roads? The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear
>> of destroying their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman war
>> chariots.
>>
>> Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome,they were all
>> alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of
>> 4 feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial
>> Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the
>> next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came
>> up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war
>> chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of two
>> war horses.
>>
>> Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the
>> story... When we see a space shuttle sitting on its launching pad, there
>> are two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These
>> are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at
>> their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might have
>> preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by
>> train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the
>> factory had to run thru a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel is slightly
>> wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as
>> two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the
>> world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two
>> thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

Oh, I agree, Neal. Even in cities (Boston, Newport) you sometimes find
these neat little alleyways. There was a great book store in Newport I used
to go to on my lunch hour on one of these alleyways. Also in Rhode Island I
used to ride Indian trails that probably started out that way.

Barb C.
"Neal" <nealbrown1@msn,com > wrote in message
news:69drjiF327mnbU1@mid.individual,net ...
> But aren't those wobbly calf trails fun?
>
> When I was little, we went to Pine Lodge in the Capitan Mountains, a
> 50-mile trip on a dirt and gravel road. Glen and I rode in the back of
> the '36 Ford pickemup, sometimes sitting on the tailgate when we had to go
> real slow.
>
> Heading west, we passed 13-Mile Hill, then on to Jones Ranch, the Sand
> Hills, the Windmill, Rattlesnake Ridge, then down the Stair Steps to
> Purcella flats, hoping it had not rained recently so we could get through.
> If we made it that far, we passed 17-mile corner, then Cactus Hill, and
> past Bugtussel, on to 4-Mile Corner. The road got even rougher, and we
> passed the Rocks at the old Lumber Mill, on past the Campground, and we
> were almost there!
>
> By then it was very dark, and the cabin only had kerosene lanterns for
> light. I trimmed the wicks and cleaned the globes with newspapers, using
> a flashlight. Dad started the fire in the fireplace while Mom started
> supper. We sat down to eat, when Dad saw "something" outside the window.
> He stared, and I dived under the table....
>
> Nowadays, the road has been paved, straightened, and totally avoids The
> Stair Steps and Purcella Flats. Back then, getting there or not getting
> there was half the fun!
>
> Neal
> "Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl,net > wrote in message
> news:39qdnZYqxLMgL6zVnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@tampabaydsl,com ...
>> This reminds me of one of my very favorite poems called, "The Cowpath."
>>
>> Essentially it starts with a wobbly calf staggering along his first
>> unsteady steps, making a slight depression in the grass. Of course other
>> animals followed this slightly easier pathway, to larger ones, to country
>> pathways and to roads, all following that path the wobbly calf took
>> instead of straightening the road to make it efficient. New England is
>> full of matured "Cowpaths".
>>
>> Barb C.
>> "Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@earthlink,net > wrote in message
>> news:0e-dnURUSN2sA6zVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>>> The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet,
>>> 8.5 inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
>>> Because that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S.
>>> railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build
>>> them that way? Because the first rail lines were built by the same
>>> people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they
>>> used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built
>>> the tramways used the same jigs & tools that they used for building
>>> wagons, which used that wheel spacing. So why did the wagons have that
>>> particular odd spacing?
>>>
>>> Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would
>>> break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's
>>> the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The
>>> first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial
>>> Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the
>>> ruts in the roads? The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match
>>> for fear of destroying their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman
>>> war chariots.
>>>
>>> Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome,they were all
>>> alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge
>>> of 4 feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an
>>> Imperial Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live
>>> forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what
>>> horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the
>>> Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate
>>> the back end of two war horses.
>>>
>>> Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the
>>> story... When we see a space shuttle sitting on its launching pad, there
>>> are two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank.
>>> These are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol
>>> at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might
>>> have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be
>>> shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line
>>> from the factory had to run thru a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel
>>> is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is
>>> about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of
>>> what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was
>>> determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about that
for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty. Could
you help out on that one?

Neal


"Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@earthlink,net > wrote in message
news:0e-dnURUSN2sA6zVnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
> The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet,
> 8.5 inches. That is an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
> Because that's the way they built them in England, and the U.S. railroads
> were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them that
> way? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built
> the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they"
> use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the
> same jigs & tools that they used for building wagons, which used that
> wheel spacing. So why did the wagons have that particular odd spacing?
>
> Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break
> on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the
> spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first
> long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome
> for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in
> the roads? The ruts in the roads, which everyone had to match for fear of
> destroying their wagon wheels, were first formed by Roman war chariots.
>
> Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome,they were all alike
> in the matter of wheel spacing. The U.S. standard railroad gauge of 4
> feet-8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial
> Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the
> next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came
> up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war
> chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back end of two war
> horses.
>
> Thus we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the
> story... When we see a space shuttle sitting on its launching pad, there
> are two booster rockets attached to the side of the main fuel tank. These
> are solid rocket boosters, or SRB's. The SRB's are made by Thiokol at
> their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRB's might have
> preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRB's had to be shipped by
> train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the
> factory had to run thru a tunnel in the mountains. The tunnel is slightly
> wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as
> two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the
> world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two
> thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass!
>
>
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles


"Neal" <nealbrown1@msn,com > wrote in message
news:69dqc0F3170rkU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about that
> for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty. Could
> you help out on that one?
>
> Neal
>


Anything to help you sleep Neal.

Now, what keeps me up at night is what exists beyond infinity.

Please help me Neal!

ed

Re: horses and space shuttles

Durn!! I gotta sleep on that a little - charge up my brain cells, don't you
know. The only thing I can think of off the top of my hade is that my son
can't get his Infinity in the garage - too much mess!

Neal

"Ed Chait" <edchait4remove@earthlink,net > wrote in message
news:stWdnT8jyqGuSKzVnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@earthlink,com ...
>
> "Neal" <nealbrown1@msn,com > wrote in message
> news:69dqc0F3170rkU1@mid.individual,net ...
>> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about
>> that for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty.
>> Could you help out on that one?
>>
>> Neal
>>
>
>
> Anything to help you sleep Neal.
>
> Now, what keeps me up at night is what exists beyond infinity.
>
> Please help me Neal!
>
> ed
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

Ed Chait wrote:
>
> Now, what keeps me up at night is what exists beyond infinity.


Not totally sure, but this web page (which was created by the husband of
a homeschooling friend of mind) has a very interesting concept of what
infinity is.

http :// www .c3.lanl.gov/mega-math/workbk/infinity/inhotel.html

Re: horses and space shuttles

Neal wrote:
> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about that
> for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty. Could
> you help out on that one?

I saw a documentary that said why. The men have a device that is a
combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.

Re: horses and space shuttles

The men have a device that is a
> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.
-----------

You have got to be kidding me. We can fly a man/woman to the moon, but we
can't figure out a system where they can go potty without soiling
themselves??? I don't get it. They must change their diapers a few time a
day, and if they can accomplish that in the spacecraft I would think they
could accomplish going in a container of some sort.

I think the men might like the "zero gravity with some vacuum type
thing....." so they're not looking for better solutions to this problem. :)

--
Kathy
www .ambergriscaye,com /villadelsol
"Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply" <samhill@TRASHsonic,net > wrote in
message news:4832110a$0$34578$742ec2ed@news.sonic,net ...
> Neal wrote:
>> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about
>> that for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty.
>> Could you help out on that one?
>
> I saw a documentary that said why. The men have a device that is a
> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.

Re: horses and space shuttles

This is not correct, Kathy.

Look back earlier in the thread. Somebody either wrote her on SMT or sent
me an e-mail about what they really do. It is not diapers!

Neal

"Kathycarp" <k@thyc@rp@comc@st,net > wrote in message
news:asOdnZTiJ_E0U6PVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast,com ...
> The men have a device that is a
>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.
> -----------
>
> You have got to be kidding me. We can fly a man/woman to the moon, but we
> can't figure out a system where they can go potty without soiling
> themselves??? I don't get it. They must change their diapers a few time a
> day, and if they can accomplish that in the spacecraft I would think they
> could accomplish going in a container of some sort.
>
> I think the men might like the "zero gravity with some vacuum type
> thing....." so they're not looking for better solutions to this problem.
> :)
>
> --
> Kathy
> www .ambergriscaye,com /villadelsol
> "Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply" <samhill@TRASHsonic,net > wrote in
> message news:4832110a$0$34578$742ec2ed@news.sonic,net ...
>> Neal wrote:
>>> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about
>>> that for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty.
>>> Could you help out on that one?
>>
>> I saw a documentary that said why. The men have a device that is a
>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

Here is the link about how they really do it.

http :// www .straightdope,com /classics/a3_032b.html


"Kathycarp" <k@thyc@rp@comc@st,net > wrote in message
news:asOdnZTiJ_E0U6PVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast,com ...
> The men have a device that is a
>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.
> -----------
>
> You have got to be kidding me. We can fly a man/woman to the moon, but we
> can't figure out a system where they can go potty without soiling
> themselves??? I don't get it. They must change their diapers a few time a
> day, and if they can accomplish that in the spacecraft I would think they
> could accomplish going in a container of some sort.
>
> I think the men might like the "zero gravity with some vacuum type
> thing....." so they're not looking for better solutions to this problem.
> :)
>
> --
> Kathy
> www .ambergriscaye,com /villadelsol
> "Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply" <samhill@TRASHsonic,net > wrote in
> message news:4832110a$0$34578$742ec2ed@news.sonic,net ...
>> Neal wrote:
>>> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about
>>> that for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go potty.
>>> Could you help out on that one?
>>
>> I saw a documentary that said why. The men have a device that is a
>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for both.
>
>

Re: horses and space shuttles

I didn't see any other comments on this, but thank you for the link. (After
I posted I wondered why they didn't at least use a catheter for #1). Very
interesting. I'm glad there's a better way than using diapers!

--
Kathy
www .ambergriscaye,com /villadelsol
"Neal" <nealbrown1@msn,com > wrote in message
news:6a874mF363qaoU1@mid.individual,net ...
> Here is the link about how they really do it.
>
> http :// www .straightdope,com /classics/a3_032b.html
>
>
> "Kathycarp" <k@thyc@rp@comc@st,net > wrote in message
> news:asOdnZTiJ_E0U6PVnZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> The men have a device that is a
>>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for
>>> both.
>> -----------
>>
>> You have got to be kidding me. We can fly a man/woman to the moon, but we
>> can't figure out a system where they can go potty without soiling
>> themselves??? I don't get it. They must change their diapers a few time a
>> day, and if they can accomplish that in the spacecraft I would think they
>> could accomplish going in a container of some sort.
>>
>> I think the men might like the "zero gravity with some vacuum type
>> thing....." so they're not looking for better solutions to this problem.
>> :)
>>
>> --
>> Kathy
>> www .ambergriscaye,com /villadelsol
>> "Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply" <samhill@TRASHsonic,net > wrote in
>> message news:4832110a$0$34578$742ec2ed@news.sonic,net ...
>>> Neal wrote:
>>>> Oh, thank you, Ed!! Now I can sleep at night. I have wondered about
>>>> that for years, almost as much as wondering how the astronauts go
>>>> potty. Could you help out on that one?
>>>
>>> I saw a documentary that said why. The men have a device that is a
>>> combination of a urinal adapted for zero gravity with some vacuum type
>>> thing for #1 and use diapers for #2, and the ladies use diapers for
>>> both.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: OT: horses and space shuttles

Thank you, Rae! Now I know what my next dinner table topic is going to be.

Neal


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>
> http :// www .straightdope,com /classics/a3_032b.html
>
> There ya go, Neal. Sounds like fun, doesn't it? LOL
>
>
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