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Gisele wrote:

>>I hear many of our black, local town councilmen, other city leaders,
>>etc. trying to put an end to the playing of the "victim" card - asking
>>how long
>>are they going to cry and whine about something that happened to people
>>they don't even know - family or not.
>>
>
> I think that as black people, that is a legitimate thing for THEM to
> ask. Not the same thing as you or I saying, "okay, racism is over,
> everybody back in the pool!" Speaking of pool, the small Southern
> Illinois town that my husband grew up in refused to build a new swimming
> pool simply because they didn't want to let the black residents swim in
> it. This is something that happened in the last 10 years, so don't tell
> me racism is dead.
>
> Gisele
>

Where in her post do you see anything about racism being over?

Marsha/Ohio

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Marsha <mas@xeb,net > wrote in news:ft14la$lb5$3@news.datemas.de:

> Where in her post do you see anything about racism being over?

I was wondering the same thing!!

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Did any of us say racism was dead? And what makes racism any worse than any
other discrimination?

"Gisele" <Gisele.379hl9@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote in message
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> I think that as black people, that is a legitimate thing for THEM to
> ask. Not the same thing as you or I saying, "okay, racism is over,
> everybody back in the pool!" Speaking of pool, the small Southern
> Illinois town that my husband grew up in refused to build a new swimming
> pool simply because they didn't want to let the black residents swim in
> it. This is something that happened in the last 10 years, so don't tell
> me racism is dead.
>
> Gisele
>
>
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Gisele <Gisele.379hl9@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote in
news:Gisele.379hl9@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au:

> I think that as black people, that is a legitimate thing for THEM to
> ask. Not the same thing as you or I saying, "okay, racism is over,
> everybody back in the pool!" Speaking of pool, the small Southern
> Illinois town that my husband grew up in refused to build a new swimming
> pool simply because they didn't want to let the black residents swim in
> it. This is something that happened in the last 10 years, so don't tell
> me racism is dead.

I didn't tell you racism is dead.

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On Apr 2, 6:14=EF=BF=BDpm, Jeannie <jwilson...@comcastspamkills,net > wrote:
> RaeMorrill <RaeMorrill.379...@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote innews=
:RaeMorrill.379cqw@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au:
>
> > Jeannie, it's been a long time since my friend told me this story, so I
> > honestly do not remember what, if any, tickets he got. May have just
> > been warning, if anything, and if it was anything it was something
> > minor, speeding or maybe some inspection-related issue. My friend is a
> > very matter-of-fact person and I don't believe she was exagerating by
> > any means. I know I've certainly never been stopped unless there was a
> > reason, and certainly not multiple times. I don't always keep it at the
> > speed limit, and I still have rarely been pulled over - but I'm a white
> > woman.
>
> I didn't mean for you to think that I thought she was exaggerating. =EF=BF=
=BDI was
> just curious as to what they cited him with. =EF=BF=BDI'm a white woman wi=
th a lead
> foot and I've been pulled over plenty. =EF=BF=BDLOL

I used to gripe about being pulled over, but now when I look back on
it... I can actually see what may have happened. I got pulled over
once while having my foot off of the gas on what I call a slow decline
into a 25 m-p-h zone. It was before I had hit the actual sign and
after the "25 mph ahead" sign. I thought he was just being an ass for
pulling me over, so I felt the need to explain to him that I generally
don't slam on the breaks when I see a 25 mph ahead sign and instead
coast down and that I was only going 5 over still at the time he came
up over the hill. He said I should probalby get new tires because he
had me at "7" over. lol. At any rate, in looking back on it, he
probably can't just tell where the signs on my side of the road are
from his side of the road that quickly and just assumes a certain zone
from here to there may be it, even if it looks different from the
other side of the road. lol. Back then I told everyone he was picking
on me because of where I was when he decided I was going "over", but
in hindsight I can see how it could happen, as much as it pains me to
admit it. lol. The only tickets I have ever rec'd was when DH was with
me, before he was a cop, but I've definitely deserved all of the ones
I got off for simply because I was breaking the law, regardless of my
excuse. If you cross the lines even once, like when that reflex kicks
in to where your arms automatically compensate for whichever way your
head is turning, you're what one might call weaving too and it is just
a reason to be ABLE to pull you over JUST IN CASE they can find more.
They are supposed to do that. They also have to fill the car with
light at night out of safety for themselves via flashlights. Some
prefer the right side of the car so they don't get hit by a car
themselves. Most HAVE to double up after a certain time of night or
after dark out of safety for themselves too.

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Recnetly a man in a nearby town stopped a woman, acting as a policeman, and
raped her. He was white and so was she. It happens to lots of people
everywhere, unfortunately.

"RaeMorrill" <RaeMorrill.3798rk@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote in
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>
> I don't know about every police department everywhere, but it happens
> here. An MT and friend of mine in my same town is married to a black man
> (African born). He worked a late shift at a company in Portland. Many
> times he was stopped on his way home for no reason (no citations at
> least most of the times). She finally got fed up and wrote to Mike
> Chitwood, the COP in Portland at the time. She'd say if he told her she
> was speeding, she'd say, "I'm not black" just kidding with him. But, it
> really isn't funny to think that happens. No different than if they
> stopped every blonde or brunnette on some nebuluous excuse.
>
> There was an article in a recent Reader's Digest on towns that
> basically still try to keep blacks out.
>
>
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Gisele <Gisele.373bdu@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote in
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> I guess they've never been
> stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!

Well, if you are in the drug-infested area of downtown Charleston that is
nearly 100% black population, you sure enough will get stopped simply if
you are white and driving through - and it's not to give you directions but
they automatically assume you are there to buy drugs or are a supplier.

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Not surprised at being annoyed about it....using it as a crutch, yes.

The funny thing is, my black best friend in Detroit and I got into a
fight as children ....she and I walked home (we lived across the
street from each other) on opposite sides of the street. She called me
a honkey. I said "I know you are, but what am I" rubber-bounce-glue
saying, etc. and she told me I didn't even know what one was. I
pretended I did and kept on going. It wasn't until I got home and
asked my mom what a honkey was that I discovered there was a real
difference between us, other than the obvious color of our skin.

The not so funny thing is that 35 years later, my daughter, who also
had no idea there was a difference, came home in 1st grade sharing
that her black friend told her that "all white people are stupid." Had
the shoe been on the other foot, my daughter would have been kicked
out of school for saying the same thing with black substituted for
white in that statement.

Also, my sister, a friend, and I stopped at a restaurant to use the
bathroom in Detroit one time. Two black girls came out of the bathroom
that was being guarded by a black security guard. My sister and the
friend went to go in, and the security guard crossed his arms, stepped
in front of the door, and announced the bathroom was closed and
refused them entry. We wound up having to find a dumpster they could
go behind in the streets, wherein they were screamed at by another
black person "White *itches!".

My problem is that 35 years ago it was a black person who schooled me
in racism, just as it was last year with my daughter. What do you
think would have happened had a white security guard denied entrace to
a restroom on a black person?

My feeling is that if this very thing weren't perpetuated so heavily
with such venom, rather than simply for historical purposes, the
perceived differences would eventually fade. Sure, there are terrible
racist groups out there, but they don't represent white-America as a
whole.

A pastor and his teachings/sermons play a significant role of
parishoners, and as such, he had a greater responsibility and failed
all of those people. As a parishoner of that church...for failing to
seek out a suitable leader.....did he fail to change churches simply
because he didn't want to be bothered? What would THAT say about a
potential leader of this country? I don't buy the whole idea that he
never heard him say anything similar is all of those years - just
another sad attempt at covering up the truth out of fear and in a
childish manner no different than Bill's.

The sad thing about this post to me is that I'm actually almost scared
to share stories on MY real-life encounters. lol.


> What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
> to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
> at their social situation in this country. =EF=BF=BDI guess they've never =
been
> stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
>
> Gisele
>

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Black people were denied entrances to bathrooms, and restaurants and stores
and in some places still are. You just happened to be experiencing what they
experience. You are living their experience and are seeing it is not
comfortable and is not pleasant and is horrible in your own country.
Something they have had but on a grander, government endorsed basis for
years (even signs "No coloreds"). Yes, it is happening still today. I
believe it was in 2006 Oprah was denied access to a store.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Chris" <chrissypete2@aol,com > wrote in message
news:cff8cbdb-be44-41dc-b0c1-17978373c636@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
Not surprised at being annoyed about it....using it as a crutch, yes.

The funny thing is, my black best friend in Detroit and I got into a
fight as children ....she and I walked home (we lived across the
street from each other) on opposite sides of the street. She called me
a honkey. I said "I know you are, but what am I" rubber-bounce-glue
saying, etc. and she told me I didn't even know what one was. I
pretended I did and kept on going. It wasn't until I got home and
asked my mom what a honkey was that I discovered there was a real
difference between us, other than the obvious color of our skin.

The not so funny thing is that 35 years later, my daughter, who also
had no idea there was a difference, came home in 1st grade sharing
that her black friend told her that "all white people are stupid." Had
the shoe been on the other foot, my daughter would have been kicked
out of school for saying the same thing with black substituted for
white in that statement.

Also, my sister, a friend, and I stopped at a restaurant to use the
bathroom in Detroit one time. Two black girls came out of the bathroom
that was being guarded by a black security guard. My sister and the
friend went to go in, and the security guard crossed his arms, stepped
in front of the door, and announced the bathroom was closed and
refused them entry. We wound up having to find a dumpster they could
go behind in the streets, wherein they were screamed at by another
black person "White *itches!".

My problem is that 35 years ago it was a black person who schooled me
in racism, just as it was last year with my daughter. What do you
think would have happened had a white security guard denied entrace to
a restroom on a black person?

My feeling is that if this very thing weren't perpetuated so heavily
with such venom, rather than simply for historical purposes, the
perceived differences would eventually fade. Sure, there are terrible
racist groups out there, but they don't represent white-America as a
whole.

A pastor and his teachings/sermons play a significant role of
parishoners, and as such, he had a greater responsibility and failed
all of those people. As a parishoner of that church...for failing to
seek out a suitable leader.....did he fail to change churches simply
because he didn't want to be bothered? What would THAT say about a
potential leader of this country? I don't buy the whole idea that he
never heard him say anything similar is all of those years - just
another sad attempt at covering up the truth out of fear and in a
childish manner no different than Bill's.

The sad thing about this post to me is that I'm actually almost scared
to share stories on MY real-life encounters. lol.


> What's funny to me is that some white people are surprised and amazed
> to find out that some black people are still just a little bit annoyed
> at their social situation in this country. ?I guess they've never been
> stopped by a cop in traffic simply because they were white!
>
> Gisele
>

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"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in
news:-e-dnZJIEayLiWzanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast,com :

> Black people were denied entrances to bathrooms, and restaurants and
> stores and in some places still are.

Can you provide documentation of where black people are denied entrances to
bathrooms, restaurants, stores, etc.?

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Jeannie <jwilson421@comcastspamkills,net > wrote in
news:Xns9A729B257D86Cjwilson421comcastnet@216.196.97.136:

> "Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in
> news:-e-dnZJIEayLiWzanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
>> Black people were denied entrances to bathrooms, and restaurants and
>> stores and in some places still are.
>
> Can you provide documentation of where black people are denied
> entrances to bathrooms, restaurants, stores, etc.?
>

Are or were? I know for a fact about several "weres" in my town from the
late 50s/early to mid 60s.



--
~Donna
http :// www ,fr ugalsewing,com
Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-create.

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On Mar 31, 3:33=EF=BF=BDpm, Donna <do...@exitstageleftcroakerwoods,com > wrot=
e:
> Jeannie <jwilson...@comcastspamkills,net > wrote innews:Xns9A729B257D86Cjwi=
lson421comcastnet@216.196.97.136:
>
> > "Sue" <medlawtr...@comcast,net > wrote in
> >news:-e-dnZJIEayLiWzanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast,com :
>
> >> Black people were denied entrances to bathrooms, and restaurants and
> >> stores and in some places still are.
>
> > Can you provide documentation of where black people are denied
> > entrances to bathrooms, restaurants, stores, etc.? =EF=BF=BD
>
> Are or were? I know for a fact about several "weres" in my town from the
> late 50s/early to mid 60s.
>
> --
> ~Donna http :// www ,fr ugalsewing,com
> Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-create.

We all know they "were," but even then there were members of other
races more than willing to help them out and stand alongside them to
change that. Granted, it may have been the reverse of what it is
today, i.e. more against than for, but a bunch of idiots don't qualify
all as ignorant either and definitely not so for 100s of years to
come. I don't downtalk blacks in general as a result of how I was
treated by a handful. I can recognize the difference.

I just heard that the ramblings of that minister were what was
recorded on some education tapes that are passed out/sold. Is that
true? I'm afraid I've only caught snippets after the big expose on the
whole deal.

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Donna <donna@exitstageleftcroakerwoods,com > wrote in
news:Xns9A729E38F3B3Adonnacroakerwoodscom@69.28.186.120:

>> Black people were denied entrances to bathrooms, and restaurants and
>>> stores and in some places still are.
>>
>> Can you provide documentation of where black people are denied
>> entrances to bathrooms, restaurants, stores, etc.?
>>
>
> Are or were? I know for a fact about several "weres" in my town from the
> late 50s/early to mid 60s.

She said..."and in some places still are", which is what I was asking
about. I know that used to happen but am wondering where it is still
happening.