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> People are not judging Barack by Wright, but rather by the fact that
> Barack spent 20 years sitting in church listening to Wright's own
> brand of hate-filled sermons - or do you somehow think the few
> examples you heard on TV are the absolute only times these ugly words
> ever came out of Wright's mouth and the rest of the time he was a
> cherub?

Only his congregation would know that. Are they a bunch of bomb
throwing activists?

Gisele


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Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Gisele wrote:

>> People are not judging Barack by Wright, but rather by the fact that
>>Barack spent 20 years sitting in church listening to Wright's own
>>brand of hate-filled sermons - or do you somehow think the few
>>examples you heard on TV are the absolute only times these ugly words
>>ever came out of Wright's mouth and the rest of the time he was a
>>cherub?
>
>
> Only his congregation would know that. Are they a bunch of bomb
> throwing activists?
>
> Gisele
>
>

Words can be just as lethal as bombs. Putting people into a frenzy over
perceived injustices is not a good idea. Can you imagine what would
happen if a white "minister" (I have serious doubts about whether Wright
should be called a minister) gave such sermons about reverse
discrimination?

Marsha/Ohio

Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Have you heard Robertson and Falwell? You don't consider what they say
inflammatory? They are as bad if not worse than Wright in some of their
rants.

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"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fsp8g5$5cq$2@news.datemas.de...
> Gisele wrote:
>
>>> People are not judging Barack by Wright, but rather by the fact that
>>>Barack spent 20 years sitting in church listening to Wright's own
>>>brand of hate-filled sermons - or do you somehow think the few
>>>examples you heard on TV are the absolute only times these ugly words
>>>ever came out of Wright's mouth and the rest of the time he was a
>>>cherub?
>>
>>
>> Only his congregation would know that. Are they a bunch of bomb
>> throwing activists?
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>>
>
> Words can be just as lethal as bombs. Putting people into a frenzy over
> perceived injustices is not a good idea. Can you imagine what would
> happen if a white "minister" (I have serious doubts about whether Wright
> should be called a minister) gave such sermons about reverse
> discrimination?
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

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> Words can be just as lethal as bombs. Putting people into a frenzy over
> perceived injustices is not a good idea.

Last time I checked, speech was free in this country. And people are
free to listen to the speech of others. I didn't get into a lather over
the words of Falwell, and I'm not inclined to be worried about this guy
Wright.

Gisele


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Gisele wrote:
>> Words can be just as lethal as bombs. Putting people into a frenzy over
>>perceived injustices is not a good idea.
>
>
> Last time I checked, speech was free in this country. And people are
> free to listen to the speech of others. I didn't get into a lather over
> the words of Falwell, and I'm not inclined to be worried about this guy
> Wright.
>
> Gisele
>

Now you're being silly. Of course, we all know that liberals don't
believe in responsibility to go with that freedom of speech, or what it
takes to keep that particular freedom.

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You have that backwards, the ones who lack self-responsibility are
republicans, remember I worked with them I saw it first hand and I ran .....

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"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fspcnv$1j3$1@news.datemas.de...
> Gisele wrote:
>>> Words can be just as lethal as bombs. Putting people into a frenzy over
>>>perceived injustices is not a good idea.
>>
>>
>> Last time I checked, speech was free in this country. And people are
>> free to listen to the speech of others. I didn't get into a lather over
>> the words of Falwell, and I'm not inclined to be worried about this guy
>> Wright.
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>
> Now you're being silly. Of course, we all know that liberals don't
> believe in responsibility to go with that freedom of speech, or what it
> takes to keep that particular freedom.
>

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Sue wrote:

> You have that backwards, the ones who lack self-responsibility are
> republicans, remember I worked with them I saw it first hand and I ran .....
>

You have limited experience with one group in your area. That does not
make you an expert on all conservatives.

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No it is not limited when I read and hear national directives sent to all
from the RNC and Rove/Bush themselves. Sorry you won't get away with trying
to sell that. I heard it and saw it. It was on a national level sent down to
local levels.

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"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fspeog$1j3$3@news.datemas.de...
> Sue wrote:
>
>> You have that backwards, the ones who lack self-responsibility are
>> republicans, remember I worked with them I saw it first hand and I ran
>> .....
>>
>
> You have limited experience with one group in your area. That does not
> make you an expert on all conservatives.
>

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Sue, the main problem I have with the candidates is they seem to be
saying they want to represent the middle class and understand their
economic problems. This includes both Republican and Democratic
candidates.

No, they don't! Do any of the three have to worry about paying their
bills each month? Are any of them going without health insurance
because they can't afford both that and their mortgage? Did they have
to send their children to public schools since there weren't any
private schools within their budget? Yeah, right, I sincerely doubt
it!

The last politician I trusted to speak for me was Ross Perot. Granted
he became filthy rich, but he started his company, EDS, with only
$1,000 of seed money. He understood finances, something strongly
needed in our next President. Do any of the three current candidates
know you do NOT spend more money than you take in? If so, that one
would get my vote come November.

Judity

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Judity wrote:

> Sue, the main problem I have with the candidates is they seem to be
> saying they want to represent the middle class and understand their
> economic problems. This includes both Republican and Democratic
> candidates.
>
> No, they don't! Do any of the three have to worry about paying their
> bills each month? Are any of them going without health insurance
> because they can't afford both that and their mortgage? Did they have
> to send their children to public schools since there weren't any
> private schools within their budget? Yeah, right, I sincerely doubt
> it!
>
> The last politician I trusted to speak for me was Ross Perot. Granted
> he became filthy rich, but he started his company, EDS, with only
> $1,000 of seed money. He understood finances, something strongly
> needed in our next President. Do any of the three current candidates
> know you do NOT spend more money than you take in? If so, that one
> would get my vote come November.
>
> Judity

Which of the three candidates understands that personal responsibility
is the right thing to do? Certainly not either of the liberal
candidates. Social programs for anyone and everyone are their
specialty. While there are people who need help, I strongly resent
perfectly able people jumping on the bandwagon because of some perceived
idea of being owed.

Marsha/Ohio

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But you think bailing out the rich is okay because . . . . . ?

Corporate welfare is the biggest crisis in this country and what is
destroying us and our economy right NOW and is the product of the
administration and previous ones as well. That is the MAIN problem that must
stop. That is the real social issue and real welfare. It is the blindness of
people that think poverty welfare is draining and cannot see that there is
far more welfare to corporations and bail outs to them then there will ever
be with social programs.

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"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fspi7b$1j3$5@news.datemas.de...
> Judity wrote:
>
>> Sue, the main problem I have with the candidates is they seem to be
>> saying they want to represent the middle class and understand their
>> economic problems. This includes both Republican and Democratic
>> candidates.
>>
>> No, they don't! Do any of the three have to worry about paying their
>> bills each month? Are any of them going without health insurance
>> because they can't afford both that and their mortgage? Did they have
>> to send their children to public schools since there weren't any
>> private schools within their budget? Yeah, right, I sincerely doubt
>> it!
>>
>> The last politician I trusted to speak for me was Ross Perot. Granted
>> he became filthy rich, but he started his company, EDS, with only
>> $1,000 of seed money. He understood finances, something strongly
>> needed in our next President. Do any of the three current candidates
>> know you do NOT spend more money than you take in? If so, that one
>> would get my vote come November.
>>
>> Judity
>
> Which of the three candidates understands that personal responsibility is
> the right thing to do? Certainly not either of the liberal candidates.
> Social programs for anyone and everyone are their specialty. While there
> are people who need help, I strongly resent perfectly able people jumping
> on the bandwagon because of some perceived idea of being owed.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

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"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in
news:556dnR27MpVEqm3anZ2dnUVZ_vumnZ2d@comcast,com :

> You have that backwards, the ones who lack self-responsibility are
> republicans, remember I worked with them I saw it first hand and I ran
> .....

So you can speak first-hand about the ones you work for but lumping them
all in one pile is very closed-minded.

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Marsha <mas@xeb,net > wrote in news:fsms6t$5s2$1@news.datemas.de:

> The Audacity of Rhetoric
>
> By Thomas Sowell

I wonder who will be the first person to spout back something a Christian
leader did that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic or something a
Republican did 85000 years ago?

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But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial anger
doesn't exist won't make it go away. Addressing it head on is going to make
a lot of people uncomfortable for a while, but we may get some true
understanding out of it, which may help us lay the groundwork to begin to
put the issue to rest. People fear what they don't understand, that's
plain, simple fact, and there's no way to get past fear and ignorance except
through education and understanding. It's my hope that we've seen the
beginning of that.

Anne

"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fsms6t$5s2$1@news.datemas.de...
> The Audacity of Rhetoric
>
> By Thomas Sowell
>
> It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into
> knots trying to evade the obvious.
>
> Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his
> pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama
> just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time — and a bunch of
> mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.
>
> It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny.
>
> Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought
> out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends
> carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."
>
> These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and
> punk rock performance poets" — in Obama's own words — as well as the "more
> politically active black students." He later visited a former member of
> the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for
> state senator.
>
> Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened
> to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the
> kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college — members of the
> left, anti-American counter-culture.
>
> In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama — "A
> Bound Man" — it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people
> seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing
> up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it
> were — and, like many converts, he went overboard.
>
> Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S.
> Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable
> consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite
> inconsistencies in what he says.
>
> The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being
> the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has required
> him to project an entirely different persona, that of a post-racial leader
> who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together.
>
> The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and
> entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent
> and a warning about his reliability.
>
> There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the
> views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less
> reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's
> bringing us all together?
>
> Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who
> on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became
> politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah
> Wright?
>
> One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment
> by his grandmother — "a typical white person," he says — with an organized
> campaign of public vilification of America in general and white America in
> particular, by Jeremiah Wright.
>
> Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different
> except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look
> similar verbally, however different they are in the real world.
>
> Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and
> Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the
> black community.
>
> There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among
> whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the
> KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is
> it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?
>
> While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from
> now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks
> who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for
> decades to come.
>
> Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards,
> or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their
> problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That
> is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may
> have.
>