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Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Reply from: Sue
Date: 30 Mar 2008, 20:32
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Anne, you are so correct!

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Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Anne V." <ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:KCOHj.634$Nc5.171@newssvr27.news.prodigy,net ...
> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial anger
> doesn't exist won't make it go away. Addressing it head on is going to
> make a lot of people uncomfortable for a while, but we may get some true
> understanding out of it, which may help us lay the groundwork to begin to
> put the issue to rest. People fear what they don't understand, that's
> plain, simple fact, and there's no way to get past fear and ignorance
> except through education and understanding. It's my hope that we've seen
> the beginning of that.
>
> Anne
>
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message
> news:fsms6t$5s2$1@news.datemas.de...
>> The Audacity of Rhetoric
>>
>> By Thomas Sowell
>>
>> It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into
>> knots trying to evade the obvious.
>>
>> Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what
>> his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack
>> Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - and a
>> bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.
>>
>> It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny.
>>
>> Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought
>> out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends
>> carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."
>>
>> These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and
>> punk rock performance poets" - in Obama's own words - as well as the
>> "more politically active black students." He later visited a former
>> member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he
>> ran for state senator.
>>
>> Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened
>> to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the
>> kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college - members of
>> the left, anti-American counter-culture.
>>
>> In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama - "A
>> Bound Man" - it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people
>> seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing
>> up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as
>> it were - and, like many converts, he went overboard.
>>
>> Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S.
>> Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable
>> consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite
>> inconsistencies in what he says.
>>
>> The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being
>> the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has
>> required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a
>> post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together.
>>
>> The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and
>> entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's
>> talent and a warning about his reliability.
>>
>> There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the
>> views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less
>> reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's
>> bringing us all together?
>>
>> Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who
>> on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became
>> politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah
>> Wright?
>>
>> One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment
>> by his grandmother - "a typical white person," he says - with an
>> organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and white
>> America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright.
>>
>> Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different
>> except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look
>> similar verbally, however different they are in the real world.
>>
>> Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and
>> Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the
>> black community.
>>
>> There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among
>> whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the
>> KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is
>> it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?
>>
>> While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from
>> now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks
>> who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for
>> decades to come.
>>
>> Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational
>> standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that
>> all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against
>> them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity
>> it may have.
>>
>
>



Reply from: Phyllis Nilsson
Date: 30 Mar 2008, 23:16
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Anger, racial or otherwise, that someone holds onto for 50 years is
ridiculous. Being angry about how one's great grandparents were treated as
slaves is ridiculous. If they don't have anything better to do with their
lives they need to go to anger management classes instead of spreading it.

"Anne V." <ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal,net > wrote in message
news:KCOHj.634$Nc5.171@newssvr27.news.prodigy,net ...
> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial anger
> doesn't exist won't make it go away.



Reply from: Sue
Date: 30 Mar 2008, 23:39
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Anne and I rest our case!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Phyllis Nilsson" <phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express,com > wrote in message
news:trOdnRNtMqjVnm3anZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@buckeye-express,com ...
> Anger, racial or otherwise, that someone holds onto for 50 years is
> ridiculous. Being angry about how one's great grandparents were treated
> as slaves is ridiculous. If they don't have anything better to do with
> their lives they need to go to anger management classes instead of
> spreading it.
>
> "Anne V." <ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal,net > wrote in message
> news:KCOHj.634$Nc5.171@newssvr27.news.prodigy,net ...
>> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial
>> anger doesn't exist won't make it go away.
>
>



Reply from: Sue
Date: 31 Mar 2008, 00:11
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Sorry to be speaking for you, Anne.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in message
news:Nfudnebnksx7lW3anZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d@comcast,com ...
> Anne and I rest our case!
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
> "Phyllis Nilsson" <phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express,com > wrote in message
> news:trOdnRNtMqjVnm3anZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@buckeye-express,com ...
>> Anger, racial or otherwise, that someone holds onto for 50 years is
>> ridiculous. Being angry about how one's great grandparents were treated
>> as slaves is ridiculous. If they don't have anything better to do with
>> their lives they need to go to anger management classes instead of
>> spreading it.
>>
>> "Anne V." <ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>> news:KCOHj.634$Nc5.171@newssvr27.news.prodigy,net ...
>>> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial
>>> anger doesn't exist won't make it go away.
>>
>>
>
>



Reply from: Anne V.
Date: 31 Mar 2008, 17:59
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

No, I agree with you. I just haven't been online since it was posted!

Anne

"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in message
news:KvydnebzYNscjW3anZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast,com ...
> Sorry to be speaking for you, Anne.
>
> --
> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
> "Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in message
> news:Nfudnebnksx7lW3anZ2dnUVZ_h6hnZ2d@comcast,com ...
>> Anne and I rest our case!
>>
>> --
>> Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
>> "Phyllis Nilsson" <phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express,com > wrote in message
>> news:trOdnRNtMqjVnm3anZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@buckeye-express,com ...
>>> Anger, racial or otherwise, that someone holds onto for 50 years is
>>> ridiculous. Being angry about how one's great grandparents were treated
>>> as slaves is ridiculous. If they don't have anything better to do with
>>> their lives they need to go to anger management classes instead of
>>> spreading it.
>>>
>>> "Anne V." <ahvasquez@NOSPAMsbcglobal,net > wrote in message
>>> news:KCOHj.634$Nc5.171@newssvr27.news.prodigy,net ...
>>>> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial
>>>> anger doesn't exist won't make it go away.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Reply from: Marsha
Date: 31 Mar 2008, 01:38
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Anne V. wrote:
> But he's got people talking about it, doesn't he? Pretending racial anger
> doesn't exist won't make it go away. Addressing it head on is going to make
> a lot of people uncomfortable for a while, but we may get some true
> understanding out of it, which may help us lay the groundwork to begin to
> put the issue to rest. People fear what they don't understand, that's
> plain, simple fact, and there's no way to get past fear and ignorance except
> through education and understanding. It's my hope that we've seen the
> beginning of that.
>
> Anne

I did not personally cause their anger, nor do I know anyone who did,
and I resent being lumped into the group who has been perceived to have
caused all of their problems. It's much healthier to let it go and move
on. I'm not saying they should forget, but picking at scabs that are
trying to heal does not solve anything.

Marsha/Ohio


Reply from: Anne V.
Date: 31 Mar 2008, 18:09
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

I know what you're saying, and in many ways I agree with how you feel, but I
suspect it's not quite that easy. I wish it were. I think some of it's
going to involve mutual understanding and acceptance of cultural
differences, and that's where we have an opportunity to both educate and
learn.

Anne

"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fsp88v$5cq$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> I did not personally cause their anger, nor do I know anyone who did, and
> I resent being lumped into the group who has been perceived to have caused
> all of their problems. It's much healthier to let it go and move on. I'm
> not saying they should forget, but picking at scabs that are trying to
> heal does not solve anything.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>




Reply from: Marsha
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 02:14
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Anne,

I have no problem with cultural differences. This country is made up of
so many different cultures it will make anyone's head spin. What I have
a problem with is any person who tries to blame all of their ills on
someone or something, and doesn't even try to get past it. Wright's
hate-filled sermons disgusted me. He's supposed to be a minister, for
God's sake.

Marsha

Anne V. wrote:

> I know what you're saying, and in many ways I agree with how you feel, but I
> suspect it's not quite that easy. I wish it were. I think some of it's
> going to involve mutual understanding and acceptance of cultural
> differences, and that's where we have an opportunity to both educate and
> learn.
>
> Anne
>
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message news:fsp88v$5cq$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>>I did not personally cause their anger, nor do I know anyone who did, and
>>I resent being lumped into the group who has been perceived to have caused
>>all of their problems. It's much healthier to let it go and move on. I'm
>>not saying they should forget, but picking at scabs that are trying to
>>heal does not solve anything.
>>
>>Marsha/Ohio
>>
>
>
>
>


Reply from: Gisele
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 03:05
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

On Apr 1, 6:14=EF=BF=BDpm, Marsha <m...@xeb,net > wrote:
> Anne,
>
> I have no problem with cultural differences. =EF=BF=BDThis country is made=
up of
> so many different cultures it will make anyone's head spin. =EF=BF=BDWhat =
I have
> a problem with is any person who tries to blame all of their ills on
> someone or something, and doesn't even try to get past it. =EF=BF=BDWright=
's
> hate-filled sermons disgusted me. =EF=BF=BDHe's supposed to be a minister,=
for
> God's sake.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> Anne V. wrote:
> > I know what you're saying, and in many ways I agree with how you feel, b=
ut I
> > suspect it's not quite that easy. =EF=BF=BDI wish it were. =EF=BF=BDI th=
ink some of it's
> > going to involve mutual understanding and acceptance of cultural
> > differences, and that's where we have an opportunity to both educate and=

> > learn.
>
> > Anne
>
> > "Marsha" <m...@xeb,net > wrote in messagenews:fsp88v$5cq$1@news.datemas.d=
e...
>
> >>I did not personally cause their anger, nor do I know anyone who did, an=
d
> >>I resent being lumped into the group who has been perceived to have caus=
ed
> >>all of their problems. =EF=BF=BDIt's much healthier to let it go and mov=
e on. =EF=BF=BDI'm
> >>not saying they should forget, but picking at scabs that are trying to
> >>heal does not solve anything.
>
> >>Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I don't listen to any ministers, ever.

Reply from: Sue
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 03:41
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Agreed. Don't they all basically spew their own form of hate -- believe this
or burn in hell! Do this or else eternal damnation. Isn't that lovely crap.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- still rabid UW DAWG fan!
"Gisele" <Gdubson@aol,com > wrote in message
news:d10f5959-69df-45ed-93f1-ebd10d98556c@s13g2000prd.googlegroups,com ...
On Apr 1, 6:14?pm, Marsha <m...@xeb,net > wrote:
> Anne,
>
> I have no problem with cultural differences. ?This country is made up of
> so many different cultures it will make anyone's head spin. ?What I have
> a problem with is any person who tries to blame all of their ills on
> someone or something, and doesn't even try to get past it. ?Wright's
> hate-filled sermons disgusted me. ?He's supposed to be a minister, for
> God's sake.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> Anne V. wrote:
> > I know what you're saying, and in many ways I agree with how you feel,
> > but I
> > suspect it's not quite that easy. ?I wish it were. ?I think some of it's
> > going to involve mutual understanding and acceptance of cultural
> > differences, and that's where we have an opportunity to both educate and
> > learn.
>
> > Anne
>
> > "Marsha" <m...@xeb,net > wrote in
> > messagenews:fsp88v$5cq$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> >>I did not personally cause their anger, nor do I know anyone who did,
> >>and
> >>I resent being lumped into the group who has been perceived to have
> >>caused
> >>all of their problems. ?It's much healthier to let it go and move on.
> >>?I'm
> >>not saying they should forget, but picking at scabs that are trying to
> >>heal does not solve anything.
>
> >>Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I don't listen to any ministers, ever.



Reply from: Jeannie
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 13:20
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

"Sue" <medlawtrans@comcast,net > wrote in
news:CPSdneYWu8lceW_anZ2dnUVZ_vumnZ2d@comcast,com :

> Agreed. Don't they all basically spew their own form of hate --
> believe this or burn in hell! Do this or else eternal damnation. Isn't
> that lovely crap.

Your ability to lump everyone into one category is very unflattering and
just ruins any credibility you may have had in any of your arguements.

Reply from: Marsha
Date: 03 Apr 2008, 01:00
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Sue wrote:
> Agreed. Don't they all basically spew their own form of hate -- believe this
> or burn in hell! Do this or else eternal damnation. Isn't that lovely crap.
>

I don't know what churches you have attended, buy no church I've ever
been to has said anything like that.

Marsha/Ohio


Reply from: Anne V.
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 17:15
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

I wasn't referring to you in particular. Actually, there have been a few
people I've met IRL recently who brought this issue home to me. Nicest
people you could meet--as long as you're white, or even Hispanic. Since I'm
white and my BF is Hispanic, I didn't have any reason to find out
immediately what their attitudes were toward blacks, and I was absolutely
shocked when I did. No, that kind of behavior doesn't excuse the kind of
things that were said in Wright's sound bites (BTW, is that supposed to be
"bites" or "bytes"? I'm always confused on that one), but it made me
realize that we haven't come as far in extinguishing racism as I'd always
assumed we had. That really saddens me.

Also, have you read or seen Wright's sermon in total? While still
controversial, the full context brings the tone down quite a bit. It's only
a few seconds of the sermon that get shown on TV, the ones most likely to
create an uproar. You know how the media work; during a hurricane, they
find the biggest puddle that they can, and they all cluster around it to
report how horrible conditions are. It's much the same with this.

Anne

"Marsha" <mas@xeb,net > wrote in message
news:fsuj4f$idf$10@news.datemas.de...
> Anne,
>
> I have no problem with cultural differences. This country is made up of
> so many different cultures it will make anyone's head spin. What I have a
> problem with is any person who tries to blame all of their ills on someone
> or something, and doesn't even try to get past it. Wright's hate-filled
> sermons disgusted me. He's supposed to be a minister, for God's sake.
>
> Marsha



Reply from: Gisele
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 20:06
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material


When white people say that blacks should get over racism, it's just a
thing of the past, excuse me, I simply have to laugh.

Gisele


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Reply from: Jeannie
Date: 02 Apr 2008, 20:35
Re: Warning (for Gisele) Contains anti-liberal material

Gisele <Gisele.3794og@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au> wrote in
news:Gisele.3794og@no-mx.forums.yourdomain,com .au:

> When white people say that blacks should get over racism, it's just a
> thing of the past, excuse me, I simply have to laugh.

What about when black people say it?

I can choose to let my past dictate my future. I can choose to become a
victim of it or overcome it and define who I am. I can choose to let what
happened to my grandfather as a child or even young adult dictate who I am
or I can choose to leave it in the past and define who I am without
fighting a battle that was fought and won years ago. People choose to be
victims of the past, whether it be their past or their relatives' pasts. I
choose to define who I am and who I want to be despite my past.


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