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Oils and amalgam fillings
Oils and amalgam fillings
I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They say
it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
because the oil leeches the mercury out.
Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually loosen
silver fillings?!
I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They say
it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
because the oil leeches the mercury out.
Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually loosen
silver fillings?!
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
--
/
Amatus
/
"Robert" <guyinct17@NOSPAMyahoo,com > wrote in message
news:4843e9f3$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv,net ...
>I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
> teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They
> say
> it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
>
> However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
> because the oil leeches the mercury out.
>
> Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually
> loosen
> silver fillings?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
--
/
Amatus
/
"Robert" <guyinct17@NOSPAMyahoo,com > wrote in message
news:4843e9f3$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv,net ...
>I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
> teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They
> say
> it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
>
> However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
> because the oil leeches the mercury out.
>
> Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually
> loosen
> silver fillings?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce,com > wrote in message
news:UXR0k.3437$xZ.91@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc,com ...
> Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
ummm... can someone without a chip on his shoulder answer my question?
"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola@sottovocce,com > wrote in message
news:UXR0k.3437$xZ.91@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc,com ...
> Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
ummm... can someone without a chip on his shoulder answer my question?
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:45:43 -0400, "Amatus Cremona"
<Nicola@sottovocce,com > wrote:
>Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
>
>--
>/
>
>Amatus
HRC or BHO ?
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:45:43 -0400, "Amatus Cremona"
<Nicola@sottovocce,com > wrote:
>Who lives under a bridge and charges a fee to cross?
>
>--
>/
>
>Amatus
HRC or BHO ?
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Robert wrote:
> I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
> teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They say
> it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
>
> However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
> because the oil leeches the mercury out.
>
> Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually loosen
> silver fillings?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
oil for 15-20?
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Robert wrote:
> I read of some new technique that some people are using of swishing their
> teeth with some kind of vegetable oil every day for 15-20 minutes. They say
> it improves their gums. Sounds harmless enough, even if not effective.
>
> However, some also said that this technique can loosen amalgam fillings
> because the oil leeches the mercury out.
>
> Is it possible that long-term exposure of teeth to oils can actually loosen
> silver fillings?!
>
>
>
>
>
>
No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
oil for 15-20?
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
> oil for 15-20?
It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
candy or ice cubes :)
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
> oil for 15-20?
It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
candy or ice cubes :)
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Robert wrote:
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
> news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
>> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
>> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
>> oil for 15-20?
>
> It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
> was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
> to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
> candy or ice cubes :)
>
>
>
>
Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Robert wrote:
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
> news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
>> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
>> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
>> oil for 15-20?
>
> It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
> was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
> to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
> candy or ice cubes :)
>
>
>
>
Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote in message
news:u7Z0k.2108$BV.413@trndny05...
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth structure
> surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
Can you give some examples? Is there any reason to suspect that vegetable
oils might be one of them?
"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote in message
news:u7Z0k.2108$BV.413@trndny05...
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth structure
> surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
Can you give some examples? Is there any reason to suspect that vegetable
oils might be one of them?
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Robert wrote:
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote in message
> news:u7Z0k.2108$BV.413@trndny05...
>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth structure
>> surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
> Can you give some examples? Is there any reason to suspect that vegetable
> oils might be one of them?
>
>
>
I'd go with John's cola hypothesis.
Steve
Robert wrote:
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote in message
> news:u7Z0k.2108$BV.413@trndny05...
>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth structure
>> surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
> Can you give some examples? Is there any reason to suspect that vegetable
> oils might be one of them?
>
>
>
I'd go with John's cola hypothesis.
Steve
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>>
>
>
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
>Steve
HCl would be my choice.
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>>
>
>
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
>Steve
HCl would be my choice.
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Newbie@bix.nex wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>
>>
>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> HCl would be my choice.
I have seen that--with eating disorders. I'm guessing you have too.
Steve
Newbie@bix.nex wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>
>>
>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> HCl would be my choice.
I have seen that--with eating disorders. I'm guessing you have too.
Steve
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:59:51 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung@earthlink,net > wrote:
>Newbie@bix.nex wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>>> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> HCl would be my choice.
>
>
> I have seen that--with eating disorders. I'm guessing you have too.
>
>Steve
Actually one of my son-in-laws was duped into taking a sip of "water"
that was in the battery filling room. He said it was HCl but suspect
it was H2SO4- . Luckily he did not swallow.
Nevertheless the enamel was chalky and highly friable. We
made some custom fluoride trays for him and provided 0.4% SnF gel.
The enamel remineralized and to this day there are no sequelae.
Eight years and counting.
Yep, have treated the anorexia/bulimia patient.
Here's my take...
Clinically, prominent acidic erosion of the lingual surfaces
of the anterior region is very common. That finding in conjunction
with other recognizable symptoms, may the first clue to the
dental practitioner of this disorder.
Occlusal surface acidic erosion is likely to be indicative of longer
term sequelae of the pathologic process and palatal cusp erosion
since enamel is thicker in the upper molars, may be considered by
some as pathognomonic.
In extreme cases mandibular lingual cusp erosion will also be present.
Due to *protection* by the tongue during 'purging' the lower molars
are somewhat 'preserved' for a longer period of time, but are not
immune to acidic damage.
We can help mediate the damage to the teeth, but the underlying
factors causing the behavior must be addressed.
Treatment of the psychological nature is well beyond the scope
of dental practice. However we must at least inform the patient
of our clinical findings and the diagnosis that is suggested.
Informing a patient of our findings, and especially in the presence
of a family member or caretaker can sometimes be enough to
effect seeking treatment for the underlying causes of this disorder.
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:59:51 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung@earthlink,net > wrote:
>Newbie@bix.nex wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:55:54 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
>>> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> HCl would be my choice.
>
>
> I have seen that--with eating disorders. I'm guessing you have too.
>
>Steve
Actually one of my son-in-laws was duped into taking a sip of "water"
that was in the battery filling room. He said it was HCl but suspect
it was H2SO4- . Luckily he did not swallow.
Nevertheless the enamel was chalky and highly friable. We
made some custom fluoride trays for him and provided 0.4% SnF gel.
The enamel remineralized and to this day there are no sequelae.
Eight years and counting.
Yep, have treated the anorexia/bulimia patient.
Here's my take...
Clinically, prominent acidic erosion of the lingual surfaces
of the anterior region is very common. That finding in conjunction
with other recognizable symptoms, may the first clue to the
dental practitioner of this disorder.
Occlusal surface acidic erosion is likely to be indicative of longer
term sequelae of the pathologic process and palatal cusp erosion
since enamel is thicker in the upper molars, may be considered by
some as pathognomonic.
In extreme cases mandibular lingual cusp erosion will also be present.
Due to *protection* by the tongue during 'purging' the lower molars
are somewhat 'preserved' for a longer period of time, but are not
immune to acidic damage.
We can help mediate the damage to the teeth, but the underlying
factors causing the behavior must be addressed.
Treatment of the psychological nature is well beyond the scope
of dental practice. However we must at least inform the patient
of our clinical findings and the diagnosis that is suggested.
Informing a patient of our findings, and especially in the presence
of a family member or caretaker can sometimes be enough to
effect seeking treatment for the underlying causes of this disorder.
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
On Jun 2, 4:55 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
> Robert wrote:
> > "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
> >news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
> >> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
> >> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
> >> oil for 15-20?
>
> > It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
> > was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
> > to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
> > candy or ice cubes :)
>
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
> Steve
>
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http :// www .dentaltwins,com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Do you have any studies showing Hg release as a function of exposure
to bacteria , various liquids etc....uhh yepp, that's what I thought.
Rob,
Keep in mind that dentists do not have a remote clue about the
chemistry
of amalgam and mercury, it's like asking a blind man what time it is..
in fact even hot coffee has been shown to greatly elevate Hg release
from
amalgam for hours, but don't worry about any liquid loosening the Hg.
It
comes off the filling all by itself, as a vapor! (and then will
dissolve in any liquid you swoosh around).
On Jun 2, 4:55 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
> Robert wrote:
> > "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
> >news:0UU0k.2158$v%.1250@trndny04...
> >> No. But this oil stuff sounds nutty to me. I can't get my patients to
> >> brush and floss for 3 minutes, but these folks will rinse with vegetable
> >> oil for 15-20?
>
> > It sounds nutty to me too. But actually I phrased the question wrong. What I
> > was really asking is are there foods or liquids that are known or suspected
> > to loosen amalgam fillings? Resin fillings? (Not including chewing on hard
> > candy or ice cubes :)
>
> Only if you keep in mind that some fluids will destroy the tooth
> structure surrounding the fillings--that'll loosen 'em.
>
> Steve
>
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http :// www .dentaltwins,com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Do you have any studies showing Hg release as a function of exposure
to bacteria , various liquids etc....uhh yepp, that's what I thought.
Rob,
Keep in mind that dentists do not have a remote clue about the
chemistry
of amalgam and mercury, it's like asking a blind man what time it is..
in fact even hot coffee has been shown to greatly elevate Hg release
from
amalgam for hours, but don't worry about any liquid loosening the Hg.
It
comes off the filling all by itself, as a vapor! (and then will
dissolve in any liquid you swoosh around).
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
"Simplicio" <clintonz@prodigy,net > wrote in message
news:ffe15c98-9699-4cd2-a270-5f2c5921cc0f@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> Rob, Keep in mind that dentists do not have a remote clue about the
> chemistry of amalgam and mercury, it's like asking a blind man what time
> it is..
> in fact even hot coffee has been shown to greatly elevate Hg release
> from amalgam for hours, but don't worry about any liquid loosening the Hg.
> It comes off the filling all by itself, as a vapor! (and then will
> dissolve in any liquid you swoosh around).
Well, let me turn that around for you. What independent studies do you have
demonstrating any of your claims? For example, here are a few studies that
suggest that amalgam fillings have better longevity than composites. If the
mercury dissipated like that wouldn't you expect a higher failure rate?
http :// jada.ada.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/6/775
http :// jada.ada.org/cgi/content/abstract/135/8/1127
http :// www .blackwell-synergy,com /doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0722.1992.tb01810.x
(pretty old)
As for the claims about amalgam fillings I only see unsubstantiated
pronouncements on holistic web sites.
"Simplicio" <clintonz@prodigy,net > wrote in message
news:ffe15c98-9699-4cd2-a270-5f2c5921cc0f@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups,com ...
> Rob, Keep in mind that dentists do not have a remote clue about the
> chemistry of amalgam and mercury, it's like asking a blind man what time
> it is..
> in fact even hot coffee has been shown to greatly elevate Hg release
> from amalgam for hours, but don't worry about any liquid loosening the Hg.
> It comes off the filling all by itself, as a vapor! (and then will
> dissolve in any liquid you swoosh around).
Well, let me turn that around for you. What independent studies do you have
demonstrating any of your claims? For example, here are a few studies that
suggest that amalgam fillings have better longevity than composites. If the
mercury dissipated like that wouldn't you expect a higher failure rate?
http :// jada.ada.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/6/775
http :// jada.ada.org/cgi/content/abstract/135/8/1127
http :// www .blackwell-synergy,com /doi/abs/10.1111/j.1600-0722.1992.tb01810.x
(pretty old)
As for the claims about amalgam fillings I only see unsubstantiated
pronouncements on holistic web sites.
Re: Oils and amalgam fillings
Robert wrote:
If the
> mercury dissipated like that wouldn't you expect a higher failure rate?
Who said logic was involved in this argument?
;-)
Steve
Robert wrote:
If the
> mercury dissipated like that wouldn't you expect a higher failure rate?
Who said logic was involved in this argument?
;-)
Steve
