Talking of Implants..............

Talking of Implants..............

..........Whats the minimum a person can get away with, without the need for bridges, overdentures etc?
I had to have all my teeth out recently (all except the back 2 which were "unerupted" so weren't touched by dentist) and am finding
it hard to get along with these here dentures, and i dont think i ever will, tbh.
So i am looking at getting implants, with abutment(?) teeth inbetween. The cost of a full 30 implants is prohibitive. Is there a
maximum "span" of abutments that could be more or less permenently bonded to said implants, so as to keep costs down?

T&L

Re: Talking of Implants..............


"Tom & Linda" <tl@nothanks,com > wrote in message news:013f9895$0$8657$c3e8da3@news.astraweb,com ...
> ..........Whats the minimum a person can get away with, without the need for bridges, overdentures etc?
> I had to have all my teeth out recently (all except the back 2 which were "unerupted" so weren't touched by dentist) and am
> finding it hard to get along with these here dentures, and i dont think i ever will, tbh.
> So i am looking at getting implants, with abutment(?) teeth inbetween. The cost of a full 30 implants is prohibitive. Is there a
> maximum "span" of abutments that could be more or less permenently bonded to said implants, so as to keep costs down?
>
> T&L

I meant to say without the need for *REMOVABLE bridges

T&L

Re: Talking of Implants..............

Depends on the size of jaws, the height of the bone, the width of the jaws,
the relationship between the upper and lower jaws, the quality of the bone,
etc. Some people can get by with 6-8 implants upper and 6-8 implants lower.

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Amatus

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"Tom & Linda" <tl@nothanks,com > wrote in message
news:013f9895$0$8657$c3e8da3@news.astraweb,com ...
> ..........Whats the minimum a person can get away with, without the need
> for bridges, overdentures etc?
> I had to have all my teeth out recently (all except the back 2 which were
> "unerupted" so weren't touched by dentist) and am finding it hard to get
> along with these here dentures, and i dont think i ever will, tbh.
> So i am looking at getting implants, with abutment(?) teeth inbetween. The
> cost of a full 30 implants is prohibitive. Is there a maximum "span" of
> abutments that could be more or less permenently bonded to said implants,
> so as to keep costs down?
>
> T&L
>

Re: Talking of Implants..............

Amatus Cremona wrote:
> Depends on the size of jaws, the height of the bone, the width of the jaws,
> the relationship between the upper and lower jaws, the quality of the bone,
> etc. Some people can get by with 6-8 implants upper and 6-8 implants lower.
>


Yes, but we should be clear--the move is to MORE fixtures in some areas
rather than less, esp. in type III bone. I have done a 3-unit bridge in
the anterior maxilla supported by 2 implant fixtures, but this won't get
the workout a molar bridge would get.
I think that with 6-8 implants esp. in the upper you are probably
talking about premolar occlusion. Do you agree?

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Re: Talking of Implants..............

Yes !

With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.

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Amatus

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"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote in message
news:Zz8Gj.3627$Qv5.2885@trnddc03...
> Amatus Cremona wrote:
>> Depends on the size of jaws, the height of the bone, the width of the
>> jaws, the relationship between the upper and lower jaws, the quality of
>> the bone, etc. Some people can get by with 6-8 implants upper and 6-8
>> implants lower.
>>
>
>
> Yes, but we should be clear--the move is to MORE fixtures in some areas
> rather than less, esp. in type III bone. I have done a 3-unit bridge in
> the anterior maxilla supported by 2 implant fixtures, but this won't get
> the workout a molar bridge would get.
> I think that with 6-8 implants esp. in the upper you are probably talking
> about premolar occlusion. Do you agree?
>
> Steve
>
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> http :// www .dentaltwins,com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

Re: Talking of Implants..............

Amatus Cremona wrote:
> Yes !
>
> With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.
>


Me too.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Re: Talking of Implants..............


Even a horse shoe shaped upper with 6 O-rings can be quite
stable and retentive.

D

> Amatus Cremona wrote:
>
>> Yes !
>>
>> With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.
>>
>
>
> Me too.
>
> Steve
>

Re: Talking of Implants..............

yup

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Amatus

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"Dartos" <tuthjockey@myturbonet,com > wrote in message
news:1206476610_37557@news.newsville,com ...
>
> Even a horse shoe shaped upper with 6 O-rings can be quite
> stable and retentive.
>
> D
>
>> Amatus Cremona wrote:
>>
>>> Yes !
>>>
>>> With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>

Re: Talking of Implants..............

On Mar 25, 11:23 pm, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce,com > wrote:
> Yes !
>
> With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.
>
> --
> /
>
> Amatus
>
> /
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins,com > wrote in messagenews:Zz8Gj.3627$Qv5.2885@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > Amatus Cremona wrote:
> >> Depends on the size of jaws, the height of the bone, the width of the
> >> jaws, the relationship between the upper and lower jaws, the quality of
> >> the bone, etc.  Some people can get by with 6-8 implants upper and 6-8
> >> implants lower.
>
> > Yes, but we should be clear--the move is to MORE fixtures in some areas
> > rather than less, esp. in type III bone.  I have done a 3-unit bridge in
> > the anterior maxilla supported by 2 implant fixtures, but this won't get
> > the workout a molar bridge would get.
> > I think that with 6-8 implants esp. in the upper you are probably talking
> > about premolar occlusion.  Do you agree?
>
> > Steve
>
> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > http :// www .dentaltwins,com
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I would normally only place 2 implants for mandibular overdentures and
a maximum of 4 for the maxilla. Bars are not necessary if the implants
are placed parallel. Stud abutments and a variety of O-rings can
provide variable levels of retention. Though the O-rings need to be
changed periodically, they are a far more economical solution for
middle income patients here in Asia. I'm not sure what the standard is
in the US. For elderly patients, I find that fewer are often better as
these patients may lack the dexterity to insert a complex prosthesis.

http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
New Age Cosmetic Dentists (Singapore)

Re: Talking of Implants..............

For the patient with some residual ridge remaining, 2-3 Locator Abutments
work great. But, for the patient with no vertical ridge left at all, you
need more.

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Amatus

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"Dr Chan" <drchan@hougangdental,com > wrote in message
news:85143e9e-f257-4764-9fde-0576b8cdec10@e23g2000prf.googlegroups,com ...
On Mar 25, 11:23 pm, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce,com > wrote:
> Yes !
>
> With only 6 implants, I would prefer a bar retained overdenture.
>
> --
> /
>
> Amatus
>
> /
> "Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins,com > wrote in
> messagenews:Zz8Gj.3627$Qv5.2885@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > Amatus Cremona wrote:
> >> Depends on the size of jaws, the height of the bone, the width of the
> >> jaws, the relationship between the upper and lower jaws, the quality of
> >> the bone, etc. Some people can get by with 6-8 implants upper and 6-8
> >> implants lower.
>
> > Yes, but we should be clear--the move is to MORE fixtures in some areas
> > rather than less, esp. in type III bone. I have done a 3-unit bridge in
> > the anterior maxilla supported by 2 implant fixtures, but this won't get
> > the workout a molar bridge would get.
> > I think that with 6-8 implants esp. in the upper you are probably
> > talking
> > about premolar occlusion. Do you agree?
>
> > Steve
>
> > --
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> > http :// www .dentaltwins,com
> > Brooklyn, NY
> > 718-258-5001- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I would normally only place 2 implants for mandibular overdentures and
a maximum of 4 for the maxilla. Bars are not necessary if the implants
are placed parallel. Stud abutments and a variety of O-rings can
provide variable levels of retention. Though the O-rings need to be
changed periodically, they are a far more economical solution for
middle income patients here in Asia. I'm not sure what the standard is
in the US. For elderly patients, I find that fewer are often better as
these patients may lack the dexterity to insert a complex prosthesis.

http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
New Age Cosmetic Dentists (Singapore)

Re: Talking of Implants..............


In my part of the world, the usual number of implants to retain
a denture is zero....

;-(
D

Dr Chan wrote:
> I would normally only place 2 implants for mandibular overdentures and
> a maximum of 4 for the maxilla. Bars are not necessary if the implants
> are placed parallel. Stud abutments and a variety of O-rings can
> provide variable levels of retention. Though the O-rings need to be
> changed periodically, they are a far more economical solution for
> middle income patients here in Asia. I'm not sure what the standard is
> in the US. For elderly patients, I find that fewer are often better as
> these patients may lack the dexterity to insert a complex prosthesis.
>
> http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
> New Age Cosmetic Dentists (Singapore)

Re: Talking of Implants..............

Dartos wrote:
>
> In my part of the world, the usual number of implants to retain
> a denture is zero....


I imagine that goes for the vast majority of areas of the world,
including mine--if people are "lucky" enough to have access to even that.

Steve

>
> ;-(
> D
>
> Dr Chan wrote:
>> I would normally only place 2 implants for mandibular overdentures and
>> a maximum of 4 for the maxilla. Bars are not necessary if the implants
>> are placed parallel. Stud abutments and a variety of O-rings can
>> provide variable levels of retention. Though the O-rings need to be
>> changed periodically, they are a far more economical solution for
>> middle income patients here in Asia. I'm not sure what the standard is
>> in the US. For elderly patients, I find that fewer are often better as
>> these patients may lack the dexterity to insert a complex prosthesis.
>>
>> http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
>> New Age Cosmetic Dentists (Singapore)
>


--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Re: Talking of Implants..............

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:55:51 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:

>Dartos wrote:
>>
>> In my part of the world, the usual number of implants to retain
>> a denture is zero....
>
>
> I imagine that goes for the vast majority of areas of the world,
>including mine--if people are "lucky" enough to have access to even that.
>
>Steve
>
>>
>> ;-(
>> D


Same here.

Re: Talking of Implants..............

On Mar 27, 5:45 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> In my part of the world, the usual number of implants to retain
> a denture is zero....
>
> ;-(
> D
>
>
>
> Dr Chan wrote:
> > I would normally only place 2 implants for mandibular overdentures and
> > a maximum of 4 for the maxilla. Bars are not necessary if the implants
> > are placed parallel. Stud abutments and a variety of O-rings can
> > provide variable levels of retention. Though the O-rings need to be
> > changed periodically, they are a far more economical solution for
> > middle income patients here in Asia. I'm not sure what the standard is
> > in the US. For elderly patients, I find that fewer are often better as
> > these patients may lack the dexterity to insert a complex prosthesis.
>
> > http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
> > New Age Cosmetic Dentists (Singapore)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Same for the vast majority of my denture cases too, but some patients
have low ridge but want better retention, so overdentures are
indicated.

http :// www .luckyplazadental,com
New Age Cosmetic Dentists

Re: Talking of Implants..............

On Mar 25, 7:52 am, "Tom & Linda" <t...@nothanks,com > wrote:
> ..........Whats the minimum a person can get away with, without the need for bridges, overdentures etc?
> I had to have all my teeth out recently (all except the back 2 which were "unerupted" so weren't touched by dentist) and am finding
> it hard to get along with these here dentures, and i dont think i ever will, tbh.
> So i am looking at getting implants, with abutment(?) teeth inbetween. The cost of a full 30 implants is prohibitive. Is there a
> maximum "span" of abutments that could be more or less permenently bonded to said implants, so as to keep costs down?
>
> T&L

I've managed to do full lower arch implant supported fixed bridges
with just 6 implants and 6 pontics.