Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The dentist
says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

Robert wrote:

> Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
> wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The dentist
> says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.
>


Trolling again?

First, they are both dentists.

Second, the *general* dentist may have a better idea of decay potential
and even periodontal problems relating to your case.

The OS is good for looking for current pathology, but may not have
watched as many wisdom teeth day in and day out over the course of
a lifetime.

Tough call,
Steve

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

On May 15, 6:40 am, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Robert wrote:
> > Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
> > wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The dentist
> > says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.
>
> Trolling again?
>
> First, they are both dentists.
>
> Second, the *general* dentist may have a better idea of decay potential
> and even periodontal problems relating to your case.
>
> The OS is good for looking for current pathology, but may not have
> watched as many wisdom teeth day in and day out over the course of
> a lifetime.
>
> Tough call,
> Steve

Yeah, they are both "dentists"... but for each kind of operation there
are more qualified "dentists" such as "orthodontist(braces and
other)", "oral surgeon(surgery)", "periodontist(gums)",
"endodontist(root canals)", "prosthododontist (appliances)"... so they
all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

stacanov@gmail,com wrote:
>
> Yeah, they are both "dentists"... but for each kind of operation there
> are more qualified "dentists" such as "orthodontist(braces and
> other)", "oral surgeon(surgery)", "periodontist(gums)",
> "endodontist(root canals)", "prosthododontist (appliances)"... so they
> all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.


Who're ya callin' "simple"?

Steve ;-)

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:07:39 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:

>stacanov@gmail,com wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, they are both "dentists"... but for each kind of operation there
>> are more qualified "dentists" such as "orthodontist(braces and
>> other)", "oral surgeon(surgery)", "periodontist(gums)",
>> "endodontist(root canals)", "prosthododontist (appliances)"... so they
>> all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.
>
>
>Who're ya callin' "simple"?
>
>Steve ;-)


Does jackanov, er meant wankanov, oh nevermind...
actually have any dental degree ? Doubtful, very doubtful.

>so they all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.

Oh, really ? Where do you get your "information" yakov ?
Goofle, Yuhoo ?

A master dentist can 'operate' any of the named speciaties.
Some generalist do not wish to perform certain procedures.
That is their right and option, and is the real reason that there
are 'specialists' in dentistry.

Patients in my practice are rarely refered to any of your above
named specialties except for orthodontics. I just don't like to
bend wires, but have done many ortho cases.
My personal interest is Endodontics, but readily treat all
patients needs in all the above named specialties.

Am a master of my craft and can provide treatment to
my patients at a level usually above, and nominally equal
to any specialty service that is available in my geographic
area. Ask Amatus if I have any *skills*.

As far as 'simple', I call *you* a *simpleton*.
You have no clue about dental treatment in the real world.

Where did you get your dental degree 'jakinov' ?

Super Wal-Mart ?

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

He might be from Philly

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Amatus

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<Newbie@bix.nex> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 18:07:39 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins,com > wrote:
>
>>stacanov@gmail,com wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, they are both "dentists"... but for each kind of operation there
>>> are more qualified "dentists" such as "orthodontist(braces and
>>> other)", "oral surgeon(surgery)", "periodontist(gums)",
>>> "endodontist(root canals)", "prosthododontist (appliances)"... so they
>>> all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.
>>
>>
>>Who're ya callin' "simple"?
>>
>>Steve ;-)
>
>
> Does jackanov, er meant wankanov, oh nevermind...
> actually have any dental degree ? Doubtful, very doubtful.
>
>>so they all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.
>
> Oh, really ? Where do you get your "information" yakov ?
> Goofle, Yuhoo ?
>
> A master dentist can 'operate' any of the named speciaties.
> Some generalist do not wish to perform certain procedures.
> That is their right and option, and is the real reason that there
> are 'specialists' in dentistry.
>
> Patients in my practice are rarely refered to any of your above
> named specialties except for orthodontics. I just don't like to
> bend wires, but have done many ortho cases.
> My personal interest is Endodontics, but readily treat all
> patients needs in all the above named specialties.
>
> Am a master of my craft and can provide treatment to
> my patients at a level usually above, and nominally equal
> to any specialty service that is available in my geographic
> area. Ask Amatus if I have any *skills*.
>
> As far as 'simple', I call *you* a *simpleton*.
> You have no clue about dental treatment in the real world.
>
> Where did you get your dental degree 'jakinov' ?
>
> Super Wal-Mart ?
>
>

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> Who're ya callin' "simple"?

Steve, I mean "simple" dentist as word, as not "ortho" dontist dentist and so on...

> Does jackanov, er meant wankanov, oh nevermind...

Dear Dr. Iamsostupidthatcantrememberanyname,
I am so pleased that I am talking with so *skilled* person as you, and
I surely will ask Amatus about it and also about your vision and hands
disorders, which do not let you to write names well...

I see your *degree* don't learned you to respect people... pity

And you are very right -- I have no dental degree. But I have a
practice to talk about things I know. I have a degree in business and
administration and I work in dental industry for a long time.
Of course my English isn't excellent...

I hope *a master of ... craft* will be also a master of
respectfulness.

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

stacanov@gmail,com wrote:
>> Who're ya callin' "simple"?
>
> Steve, I mean "simple" dentist as word, as not "ortho" dontist > dentist and so on...
>
>> Does jackanov, er meant wankanov, oh nevermind...
>
> Dear Dr. Iamsostupidthatcantrememberanyname,
> I am so pleased that I am talking with so *skilled* person as you, and
> I surely will ask Amatus about it and also about your vision and hands
> disorders, which do not let you to write names well...
>
> I see your *degree* don't learned you to respect people... pity
>
> And you are very right -- I have no dental degree. But I have a
> practice to talk about things I know. I have a degree in business and
> administration and I work in dental industry for a long time.
> Of course my English isn't excellent...
>
> I hope *a master of ... craft* will be also a master of
> respectfulness.


IOW, you want the whole package. I find that's so hard to find--for
what I'm paying them.

Steve

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:19:28 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung@earthlink,net > wrote:

>> And you are very right -- I have no dental degree. But I have a
>> practice to talk about things I know. I have a degree in business and
>> administration and I work in dental industry for a long time.

No doubt your exhaustive 'experience' in the dental field
is as a patient.

>> Of course my English isn't excellent...

You don't say.
>>
>> I hope *a master of ... craft* will be also a master of
>> respectfulness.
>
Hold your breath there. BRB.

>
>IOW, you want the whole package. I find that's so hard to find--for
>what I'm paying them.
>
>Steve

Yep, sirwankalot got what he paid for.

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?



The question was who is better qualified to say whether a wisdom
tooth needs to be extracted. Not who is better qualified to do
the extraction.

I stand by my original comments.

Steve

>>Robert wrote:
>>
>>>Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
>>>wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The dentist
>>>says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.
>>
>>Trolling again?
>>
>>First, they are both dentists.
>>
>>Second, the *general* dentist may have a better idea of decay potential
>>and even periodontal problems relating to your case.
>>
>>The OS is good for looking for current pathology, but may not have
>>watched as many wisdom teeth day in and day out over the course of
>>a lifetime.
>>
>>Tough call,
>>Steve
>
>
> Yeah, they are both "dentists"... but for each kind of operation there
> are more qualified "dentists" such as "orthodontist(braces and
> other)", "oral surgeon(surgery)", "periodontist(gums)",
> "endodontist(root canals)", "prosthododontist (appliances)"... so they
> all know more in their specialty than simple general dentist.

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:40:08 -0500, Steven Fawks
<tuthjockey@myturbonet,com > wrote:

>Robert wrote:
>
>> Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
>> wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The dentist
>> says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.
>>
>
>
>Trolling again?

Yep he's trolling again.
>
>First, they are both dentists.

And Robert is not...

>Steve

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

Steven Fawks wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>
>> Here is a confusing situation. Who is better qualified to say whether a
>> wisdom tooth should be extracted - an oral surgeon or a dentist? The
>> dentist
>> says it should be extracted soon, the oral surgeon says it looks fine.
>>
>
>
> Trolling again?
>
> First, they are both dentists.
>
> Second, the *general* dentist may have a better idea of decay potential
> and even periodontal problems relating to your case.
>
> The OS is good for looking for current pathology, but may not have
> watched as many wisdom teeth day in and day out over the course of
> a lifetime.
>
> Tough call,
> Steve


My call is that either a generalist or an oral surgeon should be
equally qualified to say whether retaining a 3rd molar is likely to
cause problems. The operator is the one who will make the judgment as
to whether the cure is likely to be worse than the disease.
Obviously, there are general dentists, and possibly even oral surgeons
who don't know what the heck they're talking about. But since many
generalists (including me) don't remove impactions, I leave the judgment
as to whether to extract to the oral surgeon. Of course, that still
leaves me with the choice whether to refer for evaluation or not.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http :// www .dentaltwins,com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
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> My call is that either a generalist or an oral surgeon should be equally
> qualified to say whether retaining a 3rd molar is likely to cause
> problems. The operator is the one who will make the judgment as to
> whether the cure is likely to be worse than the disease.
> Obviously, there are general dentists, and possibly even oral surgeons who
> don't know what the heck they're talking about. But since many
> generalists (including me) don't remove impactions, I leave the judgment
> as to whether to extract to the oral surgeon. Of course, that still
> leaves me with the choice whether to refer for evaluation or not.

Thanks. The wisdom tooth is not impacted. Honestly, I don't know exactly why
the generalist is saying they'll need to come out soon. I guess he wants to
save me what he thinks will be problems down the road.

Incidentally, what do oral surgeons do that generalists don't do? I mean,
what would you go to an OS for that you just simply would not go to a
dentist for?

Re: Dentist vs Oral Surgeon?

Robert wrote:
>
> Thanks. The wisdom tooth is not impacted. Honestly, I don't know exactly why
> the generalist is saying they'll need to come out soon. I guess he wants to
> save me what he thinks will be problems down the road.
>
> Incidentally, what do oral surgeons do that generalists don't do? I mean,
> what would you go to an OS for that you just simply would not go to a
> dentist for?
>
>
>
>
>
>

As Newbie says, a generalist may legally perform any and all of the
procedures of any specialist. The catch is that he/she will be held
legally to the standard of what a prudent specialist in the particular
area of dentistry would do.
I'm sure there are generalists that do it all. In fact, in more rural
areas I'm sure this is the rule rather than the exception. But all of
the specialties have advanced, and it takes significant effort to stay
current with standard practice in the various specialties.
I have every reason to believe that Newbie does endo as well as many
and maybe most endodontists. There is no arcane knowledge not open to
the generalist seeking advanced training. I have chosen to let my
extraction skills decline. This is a practical matter, as I don't have
that many extractions in my practice, so I have chosen to limit the
surgical extractions to those where I don't anticipate doing a lot of
cutting and sectioning. Once in a while I'm wrong about a tooth, and
even then I usually manage one way or another.
But the judgement to refer is one every generalist must make for
him/herself. I have tons of terrific specialists within a 10 minute
drive from my office. This means I don't have to prove my manhood by
doing procedures (esp. surgical) that I'd prefer not to, and concentrate
on restorative and prosthetic dentistry.

Steve

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"Steven Bornfeld" wrote in message
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> him/herself. I have tons of terrific specialists within a 10 minute drive
> from my office. This means I don't have to prove my manhood by doing
> procedures (esp. surgical) that I'd prefer not to, and concentrate on
> restorative and prosthetic dentistry.

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis. I'd say that your patients are damn
lucky.

I think both the OS and the (new) dentist are great, but since I can have
the teeth taken out easier than I can have them put back in, I'll go with
the OS for now :)

This particular OS is both an MD and a DDS, although that might be the norm.