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ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
clenching. i dont know who to believe.
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From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net >
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one.
I'll
wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
Im still HERE.....thanks
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From: jerm <blown...@gmail,com >
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!!
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> <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
in my
post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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From: jerm <blown...@gmail,com >
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!!
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> <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
Yes im still here
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From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net >
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> > Webby
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
Hello,
First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
think
would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
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From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net >
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>
ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
clenching. i dont know who to believe.
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From: The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net >
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one.
I'll
wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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> <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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From: jerm <blown...@gmail,com >
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
in my
post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700
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> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> > Webby
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
Hello,
First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
think
would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
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> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
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> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>
Re: nti failure
I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
Clenching on the device was interupting your clenching on your
natural teeth!
Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
opening, slide bars, etc.
The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
being a large part of your problem.
I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
happen.
If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
for a referral.
Steve Fawks
> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
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>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
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> I'll
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>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>Webby
>
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>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>Webby
>
>
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>Webby
>
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>>><2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
>
>
>>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>>Webby
>
>
>>btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
>>dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
>>in my
>>post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
>>joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
>>of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
>>their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
>
>
> Hello,
>
> First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
> sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
> think
> would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
>
> And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
> assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
> Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
> results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
> since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
>
> Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
>
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I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
Clenching on the device was interupting your clenching on your
natural teeth!
Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
opening, slide bars, etc.
The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
being a large part of your problem.
I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
happen.
If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
for a referral.
Steve Fawks
> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
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>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
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>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
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>
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>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>Webby
>
>
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
> Local: Sun, May 11 2008 6:45 pm
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>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>Webby
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>>On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
>>
>>>In article
>>><2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
>
>
>>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
>>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
>>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
>>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
>>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
>>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
>>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
>>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
>>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
>>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
>>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
>>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
>>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
>>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
>>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
>>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
>
>>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
>>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
>
>>>Webby
>
>
>>btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
>>dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
>>in my
>>post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
>>joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
>>of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
>>their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
>
>
> Hello,
>
> First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
> sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
> think
> would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
>
> And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
> assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
> Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
> results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
> since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
>
> Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
>
> Webby
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> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700
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Re: nti failure
On May 15, 4:20 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
> Clenching on the device was interupting your clenching on your
> natural teeth!
>
> Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> being a large part of your problem.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> happen.
>
> If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> for a referral.
>
> Steve Fawks> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
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> >>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one.
> > I'll
> > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
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> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
>
> > Im still HERE.....thanks
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> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
>
> > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> > in my
> > post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> > joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
>
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> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
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>
> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
>
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> >>On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
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> >>>In article
> >>><2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
>
> >>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>>Webby
>
> >>btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> >>dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> >>in my
> >>post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> >>joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> >>of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> >>their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
>
> > Hello,
>
> > First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
> > sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
> > think
> > would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
>
> > And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
> > assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
> > Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
> > results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
> > since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
>
> > Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
>
> > Webby
>
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On May 15, 4:20 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
> Clenching on the device was interupting your clenching on your
> natural teeth!
>
> Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> being a large part of your problem.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> happen.
>
> If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> for a referral.
>
> Steve Fawks> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> > Reply Reply to author Forward
>
> > You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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> >>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
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> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
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> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
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> > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
>
> > btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> > dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> > in my
> > post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> > joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> > of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> > their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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> >> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>Webby
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> > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700
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> >>On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
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> >>>In article
> >>><2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
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> >>> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>>>ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> >>>>than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> >>>>at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> >>>>neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> >>>>completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> >>>>back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> >>>>two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> >>>>being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> >>>>worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> >>>>seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> >>>>tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> >>>>hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> >>>>called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> >>>>tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> >>>>telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> >>>>clenching. i dont know who to believe.
>
> >>>I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> >>>wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
>
> >>>Webby
>
> >>btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> >>dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> >>in my
> >>post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> >>joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> >>of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> >>their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
>
> > Hello,
>
> > First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
> > sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
> > think
> > would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
>
> > And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
> > assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
> > Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
> > results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
> > since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
>
> > Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
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Re: nti failure
I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been
very pleased with the results.
That does not mean that anything in life is 100%. However the
NTI is very close with a little work.
If you would have listened to Dr. Boyd, he would have told you
that any change in your symptoms meant that the clenching and the
NTI intervention showed that you were on the right track. You
(and Jim) had just not found the right design combo to make things
better.
For the average case, 15 minutes, a 'standard' NTI and everything
is fixed in no time. For a severe case, it takes weeks and maybe
several NTI combinations to find a system that works. That isn't
a $150-$500 sequence of events. NTI dentists get used to 'shooting
fish in a barrel', but an occassional patient does not fit the
mold.
The 'specialists' that dis the NTI are usually those that would
fit the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
Keep working on it and you'll have braces, crowns, and surgery.
That'll help a lot.......or not. :-(
JMO,
Steve Fawks
BTW, bottom posting at 4-5 pages of text is a good way to have your
message missed completely.
> I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most
> painful
> stabbing headaches in my ears ive ever felt. id wake up in the middle
> of the night
> violently clamped down feeling my jaw joints falling back in as i
> would wake up.
> im a clencher and i had dislocated or injured my right side not too
> long before getting the
> NTI. Like I said Dr. Boyd made the thing, in fact made 2, and it just
> caused me more pain.
> i dont know, maybe the thing has healed some and it might work at this
> point. but im not sure
> i want to risk the excruciating pain that it gave me before. And
> these whatever specialists at UCLA have
> really had bad things to say about the device.
I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been
very pleased with the results.
That does not mean that anything in life is 100%. However the
NTI is very close with a little work.
If you would have listened to Dr. Boyd, he would have told you
that any change in your symptoms meant that the clenching and the
NTI intervention showed that you were on the right track. You
(and Jim) had just not found the right design combo to make things
better.
For the average case, 15 minutes, a 'standard' NTI and everything
is fixed in no time. For a severe case, it takes weeks and maybe
several NTI combinations to find a system that works. That isn't
a $150-$500 sequence of events. NTI dentists get used to 'shooting
fish in a barrel', but an occassional patient does not fit the
mold.
The 'specialists' that dis the NTI are usually those that would
fit the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
Keep working on it and you'll have braces, crowns, and surgery.
That'll help a lot.......or not. :-(
JMO,
Steve Fawks
BTW, bottom posting at 4-5 pages of text is a good way to have your
message missed completely.
> I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most
> painful
> stabbing headaches in my ears ive ever felt. id wake up in the middle
> of the night
> violently clamped down feeling my jaw joints falling back in as i
> would wake up.
> im a clencher and i had dislocated or injured my right side not too
> long before getting the
> NTI. Like I said Dr. Boyd made the thing, in fact made 2, and it just
> caused me more pain.
> i dont know, maybe the thing has healed some and it might work at this
> point. but im not sure
> i want to risk the excruciating pain that it gave me before. And
> these whatever specialists at UCLA have
> really had bad things to say about the device.
Re: nti failure
I missed it, until I saw Steve's post and went back to check. I don't have
the interest to scroll down more than a short distance looking for a fresh
reply.
--
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Amatus
/
"Steven Fawks" <tuthjockey@myturbonet,com > wrote in message
news:1210987496_100916@news.newsville,com ...
> I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been
> very pleased with the results.
>
> That does not mean that anything in life is 100%. However the
> NTI is very close with a little work.
>
> If you would have listened to Dr. Boyd, he would have told you
> that any change in your symptoms meant that the clenching and the
> NTI intervention showed that you were on the right track. You
> (and Jim) had just not found the right design combo to make things
> better.
>
> For the average case, 15 minutes, a 'standard' NTI and everything
> is fixed in no time. For a severe case, it takes weeks and maybe
> several NTI combinations to find a system that works. That isn't
> a $150-$500 sequence of events. NTI dentists get used to 'shooting
> fish in a barrel', but an occassional patient does not fit the
> mold.
>
> The 'specialists' that dis the NTI are usually those that would
> fit the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
>
> Keep working on it and you'll have braces, crowns, and surgery.
>
> That'll help a lot.......or not. :-(
>
> JMO,
> Steve Fawks
>
> BTW, bottom posting at 4-5 pages of text is a good way to have your
> message missed completely.
>
>
>> I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most
>> painful
>> stabbing headaches in my ears ive ever felt. id wake up in the middle
>> of the night
>> violently clamped down feeling my jaw joints falling back in as i
>> would wake up.
>> im a clencher and i had dislocated or injured my right side not too
>> long before getting the
>> NTI. Like I said Dr. Boyd made the thing, in fact made 2, and it just
>> caused me more pain.
>> i dont know, maybe the thing has healed some and it might work at this
>> point. but im not sure
>> i want to risk the excruciating pain that it gave me before. And
>> these whatever specialists at UCLA have
>> really had bad things to say about the device.
I missed it, until I saw Steve's post and went back to check. I don't have
the interest to scroll down more than a short distance looking for a fresh
reply.
--
/
Amatus
/
"Steven Fawks" <tuthjockey@myturbonet,com > wrote in message
news:1210987496_100916@news.newsville,com ...
> I've used them exclusively for 8 years or so and have been
> very pleased with the results.
>
> That does not mean that anything in life is 100%. However the
> NTI is very close with a little work.
>
> If you would have listened to Dr. Boyd, he would have told you
> that any change in your symptoms meant that the clenching and the
> NTI intervention showed that you were on the right track. You
> (and Jim) had just not found the right design combo to make things
> better.
>
> For the average case, 15 minutes, a 'standard' NTI and everything
> is fixed in no time. For a severe case, it takes weeks and maybe
> several NTI combinations to find a system that works. That isn't
> a $150-$500 sequence of events. NTI dentists get used to 'shooting
> fish in a barrel', but an occassional patient does not fit the
> mold.
>
> The 'specialists' that dis the NTI are usually those that would
> fit the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
>
> Keep working on it and you'll have braces, crowns, and surgery.
>
> That'll help a lot.......or not. :-(
>
> JMO,
> Steve Fawks
>
> BTW, bottom posting at 4-5 pages of text is a good way to have your
> message missed completely.
>
>
>> I wore the thing for almost three weeks and it only caused the most
>> painful
>> stabbing headaches in my ears ive ever felt. id wake up in the middle
>> of the night
>> violently clamped down feeling my jaw joints falling back in as i
>> would wake up.
>> im a clencher and i had dislocated or injured my right side not too
>> long before getting the
>> NTI. Like I said Dr. Boyd made the thing, in fact made 2, and it just
>> caused me more pain.
>> i dont know, maybe the thing has healed some and it might work at this
>> point. but im not sure
>> i want to risk the excruciating pain that it gave me before. And
>> these whatever specialists at UCLA have
>> really had bad things to say about the device.
Re: nti failure
I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can
swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort.
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/
Amatus
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"jerm" <blownout@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:aac1f158-c46d-4153-8356-2a972f3e87d2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
clenching. i dont know who to believe.
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Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700
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> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one.
I'll
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: NTI failure and headache confusion!!!!!!!
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
in my
post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:01:01 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> > Webby
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
Hello,
First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
think
would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700
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> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment sug
I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can
swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort.
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news:aac1f158-c46d-4153-8356-2a972f3e87d2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups,com ...
ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
clenching. i dont know who to believe.
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Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:43:09 -0700
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> clenching. i dont know who to believe.
I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one.
I'll
wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
in my
post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT)
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> jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> Webby
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jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment suggested. so although my jaw
> > > hurts and i clench every night there is no relation? These are so-
> > > called specialists. do i just keep searching for a dentist who will
> > > tell me i have tmj and take all of my money? sheesh. one neuro tried
> > > telling me i have transformed migraine and another thinks its from the
> > > clenching. i dont know who to believe.
> > I'd like to offer a reply if you're still lurking/waiting for one. I'll
> > wait to formulate the post until I know that or when you're "here".
> > Webby
> btw this whole thing started after i opened my mouth sideways and
> dislocated somethings. since then it pops about weekly and the muscle
> in my
> post skull and neck and face are constantly in spasm,pinching my jaw
> joint. regardless of all of this, the three other "tmj specialists", 2
> of them ucla proffessors, see nothing wrong and tried to funnel me to
> their pain psychologist. absolutely ridiculous.
Hello,
First, I'm wondering if you would mind cross-posting your thread to
sci.med.dentistry ... There are a number of dentists there whom I
think
would be interested in discussing this with you and smd's readers.
And secondly, since you're seeing dentists associated with UCLA, I'm
assuming you could make a trip to San Diego for an opinion with Dr.
Boyd. Since you've been prescribed an NTI, and you did not find the
results effective, maybe a visit to see him (the inventor) is in order
since he's only a couple hours away from LA.
Hoping to see the thread cross-posted to sci.med.dentistry
Webby
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:52 -0700
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> On May 4, 4:43 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox,net > wrote:
> > In article
> > <2ea7280d-d35e-413c-800f-a27415603...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >,
> > jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > > ive woken up with a headache in the back of my head and neck for more
> > > than a year. i am a severe nightime clencher, and i do believe that is
> > > at the root of my problem. however, i tried an NTI, prescribed by a
> > > neurologist and i only would wake up in the middle of the night
> > > completely clamped down on it, and would feel my jaw joints moving
> > > back into socket or something after i would take it out. for the next
> > > two weeks i would have the most excruciating headache(like knives
> > > being twisted into my ears). i more than dissapointed, as nothing has
> > > worked for my clenching and headahces. and to make matters worse, it
> > > seems that the 3 TMJ specialists did their exam and couldnt find any
> > > tenderdness of my joint, so no treatment sug
Re: nti failure
Amatus Cremona wrote:
> I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can
> swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort.
>
Could very well be. I don't know how long ago he had Jim make one
and I don't know if it was on the max. or mand.
Change the vertical, check for posterior contacts in excursion, and
use a mand. appliance to lessen the chance for cuspid contact.
Good place to start.
Steve
Amatus Cremona wrote:
> I bet the NTI has not had the DE reduced in height and that the patient can
> swing his lower cuspid over to hit the DE with little effort.
>
Could very well be. I don't know how long ago he had Jim make one
and I don't know if it was on the max. or mand.
Change the vertical, check for posterior contacts in excursion, and
use a mand. appliance to lessen the chance for cuspid contact.
Good place to start.
Steve
