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NTI failure continued
I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
opening, slide bars, etc.
The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
being a large part of your problem.
I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
happen.
If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
for a referral.
ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
opening, slide bars, etc.
The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
being a large part of your problem.
I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
happen.
If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
for a referral.
ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 15, 10:05 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
>
> Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> being a large part of your problem.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> happen.
>
> If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> for a referral.
> ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
> injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
> me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
> though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
> could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
> they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
> unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
> or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
> thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
> a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
> popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
> tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
> it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
> at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
> can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
> pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
ive also been told that because i have a joint that is popping and
grating every few days, that i have some joint damage
that could be made worse by using an NTI. Also, ive been informed that
the NTI will help quickly, but after three weeks the pain will
return.
It just seems like all the muscles in the back of my head and neck, as
well as my jaw have been in spasm for months, but nobody has given me
any solution for this, except for buckets of pills that just make me
tired. almost a year of this nightmare has been going on, and im
afraid im either making things worse by doing nothing, or worse by
wearing something like the NTI. what the heck do i do?
On May 15, 10:05 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
>
> Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> being a large part of your problem.
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> happen.
>
> If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> for a referral.
> ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
> injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
> me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
> though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
> could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
> they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
> unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
> or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
> thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
> a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
> popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
> tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
> it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
> at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
> can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
> pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
ive also been told that because i have a joint that is popping and
grating every few days, that i have some joint damage
that could be made worse by using an NTI. Also, ive been informed that
the NTI will help quickly, but after three weeks the pain will
return.
It just seems like all the muscles in the back of my head and neck, as
well as my jaw have been in spasm for months, but nobody has given me
any solution for this, except for buckets of pills that just make me
tired. almost a year of this nightmare has been going on, and im
afraid im either making things worse by doing nothing, or worse by
wearing something like the NTI. what the heck do i do?
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 16, 7:53 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 15, 10:05 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> > in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
>
> > Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> > Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> > not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> > opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> > The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> > indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> > being a large part of your problem.
>
> > I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> > with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> > happen.
>
> > If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> > basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> > for a referral.
> > ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
> > injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
> > me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
> > though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
> > could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
> > they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
> > unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
> > or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
> > thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
> > a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
> > popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
> > tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
> > it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
> > at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
> > can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
> > pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
>
> ive also been told that because i have a joint that is popping and
> grating every few days, that i have some joint damage
> that could be made worse by using an NTI. Also, ive been informed that
> the NTI will help quickly, but after three weeks the pain will
> return.
> It just seems like all the muscles in the back of my head and neck, as
> well as my jaw have been in spasm for months, but nobody has given me
> any solution for this, except for buckets of pills that just make me
> tired. almost a year of this nightmare has been going on, and im
> afraid im either making things worse by doing nothing, or worse by
> wearing something like the NTI. what the heck do i do?
btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
On May 16, 7:53 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 15, 10:05 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > I didn't read everything in detail, but if you never left the NTI
> > in for even one whole night, how could you deem it a failure?
>
> > Nobody said getting control of extreme clenching was a piece of cake.
>
> > Plus, just because a neurologist prescribed an NTI, all NTI's are
> > not alike and you may need to experiment a little on vertical
> > opening, slide bars, etc.
>
> > The fact that the NTI changed your symptoms is actually a good
> > indication that you are on the right track with the clenching
> > being a large part of your problem.
>
> > I don't think I've ever seen a clencher that could not be helped
> > with an NTI. I have seen a few patients who wouldn't let it
> > happen.
>
> > If you are serious about dealing with your problem, give us a
> > basic geographical location and we might have a name in mind
> > for a referral.
> > ok look, i was a clencher in the first place then dislocated,tore,
> > injured, whatever my tmj. JIM BOYD made
> > me two devices not soon after. i wore it for almost three weeks, even
> > though i would wake up violently clenched down much harder than i
> > could imagine, and then deal with piercing pain in my jaw joints as
> > they would relax, and then the pain in both sides of my face was
> > unbelievable. i dont know if i was injured too soon to have the thing
> > or what, but it caused me incredible pain. after i stopped wearing the
> > thing, the nightmare earface pain headache that leveled me stayed for
> > a couple weeks. now almost a year later, im still dealing with
> > popping,grating, clenching and neck headaches and eyepain,face
> > tightness and spasms. nothing else is working, and im tempted to pop
> > it in again, but i am scared of that pain coming back. The professors
> > at UCLA also have nothing but bad things to say about the NTI, like it
> > can cause major injuries or whatever. I dont know , nobody believes my
> > pain, neurologists,dentist whatever.
>
> ive also been told that because i have a joint that is popping and
> grating every few days, that i have some joint damage
> that could be made worse by using an NTI. Also, ive been informed that
> the NTI will help quickly, but after three weeks the pain will
> return.
> It just seems like all the muscles in the back of my head and neck, as
> well as my jaw have been in spasm for months, but nobody has given me
> any solution for this, except for buckets of pills that just make me
> tired. almost a year of this nightmare has been going on, and im
> afraid im either making things worse by doing nothing, or worse by
> wearing something like the NTI. what the heck do i do?
btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
Re: NTI failure continued
jerm wrote:
> btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
out.
Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
Steve
jerm wrote:
> btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
out.
Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
Steve
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> jerm wrote:
> > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> out.
> whoa man, easy on the bs im just stating my experience and what ive been told, which is probably bs.
i think personallly my jaw had been injured too soon to wear the
thing.
question is what the heck do i do now?..........when i wasnt
responding positively Dr. boyd decided not to return my emails
anymore, so i dont know
what im supposed to do.
> Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> Steve
On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> jerm wrote:
> > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> out.
> whoa man, easy on the bs im just stating my experience and what ive been told, which is probably bs.
i think personallly my jaw had been injured too soon to wear the
thing.
question is what the heck do i do now?..........when i wasnt
responding positively Dr. boyd decided not to return my emails
anymore, so i dont know
what im supposed to do.
> Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> Steve
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> jerm wrote:
> > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> out.
>
> Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> Steve
do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> jerm wrote:
> > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> out.
>
> Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> Steve
do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 16, 10:17 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
> > jerm wrote:
> > > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> > That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> > you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> > out.
>
> > Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> > theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> > Steve
>
> do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
> got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
neck,head pain, but
the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
On May 16, 10:17 pm, jerm <blown...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 16, 9:56 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
> > jerm wrote:
> > > btw, im in huntington beach,ca orange county
>
> > That would make Dr. Boyd the obvious choice. But somehow
> > you didn't stay with him long enough to get things worked
> > out.
>
> > Your dependence upon the 'experts' who are against the NTI
> > theories are likely to blame for much of your trouble.
>
> > Steve
>
> do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
> got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
neck,head pain, but
the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
Re: NTI failure continued
Well, I ain't no "TMJ expert", but I know of some cases where the
"experts" did way more harm than good!
Like I said earlier, NTI dentists get so used to listening for a
few minutes, making an NTI, and a week later things are much better,
that a lot of diagnostic testing is usually not worth the effort
or expense.
Get control of the clenching monster and patients get better. Pretty
plain and simple.
Once in a while, things do not respond positively for the first
NTI design. If the patient disappears, does not report the
problems, and help work towards a solution, there is nothing
that can be done. Especially if they don't trust the possibility
that a simple piece of plastic can help them more than serveral
'experts' with white coats.
I've had patients with a class II (overbite) who needed a maxillary
NTI with a shelf cut into it to reduce the total opening with the
NTI in place. I've had patients with very worn dentition that needed
maxillary and mandibular NTIs that opened the bite 4-6 mm.
I've had a few patients return and say, "I can't wear that thing"
(which is total BS). I've had a few with such a messed up arrangement
of teeth that I really couldn't figure out how to construct a decent
NTI.
I can't really tell you much more from here. A good NTI dentist is
where I would go and work with them to find the best design for you.
Difficult cases don't always resolve every symptom, and may not
feel great in a week or two. That doesn't mean that there are
more effective, safer treatments available.
JMO,
Steve
>>do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
>>got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
>
>
> well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
> neck,head pain, but
> the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
Well, I ain't no "TMJ expert", but I know of some cases where the
"experts" did way more harm than good!
Like I said earlier, NTI dentists get so used to listening for a
few minutes, making an NTI, and a week later things are much better,
that a lot of diagnostic testing is usually not worth the effort
or expense.
Get control of the clenching monster and patients get better. Pretty
plain and simple.
Once in a while, things do not respond positively for the first
NTI design. If the patient disappears, does not report the
problems, and help work towards a solution, there is nothing
that can be done. Especially if they don't trust the possibility
that a simple piece of plastic can help them more than serveral
'experts' with white coats.
I've had patients with a class II (overbite) who needed a maxillary
NTI with a shelf cut into it to reduce the total opening with the
NTI in place. I've had patients with very worn dentition that needed
maxillary and mandibular NTIs that opened the bite 4-6 mm.
I've had a few patients return and say, "I can't wear that thing"
(which is total BS). I've had a few with such a messed up arrangement
of teeth that I really couldn't figure out how to construct a decent
NTI.
I can't really tell you much more from here. A good NTI dentist is
where I would go and work with them to find the best design for you.
Difficult cases don't always resolve every symptom, and may not
feel great in a week or two. That doesn't mean that there are
more effective, safer treatments available.
JMO,
Steve
>>do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
>>got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
>
>
> well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
> neck,head pain, but
> the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 17, 7:26 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Well, I ain't no "TMJ expert", but I know of some cases where the
> "experts" did way more harm than good!
>
> Like I said earlier, NTI dentists get so used to listening for a
> few minutes, making an NTI, and a week later things are much better,
> that a lot of diagnostic testing is usually not worth the effort
> or expense.
>
> Get control of the clenching monster and patients get better. Pretty
> plain and simple.
>
> Once in a while, things do not respond positively for the first
> NTI design. If the patient disappears, does not report the
> problems, and help work towards a solution, there is nothing
> that can be done. Especially if they don't trust the possibility
> that a simple piece of plastic can help them more than serveral
> 'experts' with white coats.
>
> I've had patients with a class II (overbite) who needed a maxillary
> NTI with a shelf cut into it to reduce the total opening with the
> NTI in place. I've had patients with very worn dentition that needed
> maxillary and mandibular NTIs that opened the bite 4-6 mm.
>
> I've had a few patients return and say, "I can't wear that thing"
> (which is total BS). I've had a few with such a messed up arrangement
> of teeth that I really couldn't figure out how to construct a decent
> NTI.
>
> I can't really tell you much more from here. A good NTI dentist is
> where I would go and work with them to find the best design for you.
>
> Difficult cases don't always resolve every symptom, and may not
> feel great in a week or two. That doesn't mean that there are
> more effective, safer treatments available.
>
thanks for the reply steve, i might have to give it another go,
especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.
> JMO,
> Steve
>
> >>do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
> >>got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
>
> > well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
> > neck,head pain, but
> > the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
On May 17, 7:26 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Well, I ain't no "TMJ expert", but I know of some cases where the
> "experts" did way more harm than good!
>
> Like I said earlier, NTI dentists get so used to listening for a
> few minutes, making an NTI, and a week later things are much better,
> that a lot of diagnostic testing is usually not worth the effort
> or expense.
>
> Get control of the clenching monster and patients get better. Pretty
> plain and simple.
>
> Once in a while, things do not respond positively for the first
> NTI design. If the patient disappears, does not report the
> problems, and help work towards a solution, there is nothing
> that can be done. Especially if they don't trust the possibility
> that a simple piece of plastic can help them more than serveral
> 'experts' with white coats.
>
> I've had patients with a class II (overbite) who needed a maxillary
> NTI with a shelf cut into it to reduce the total opening with the
> NTI in place. I've had patients with very worn dentition that needed
> maxillary and mandibular NTIs that opened the bite 4-6 mm.
>
> I've had a few patients return and say, "I can't wear that thing"
> (which is total BS). I've had a few with such a messed up arrangement
> of teeth that I really couldn't figure out how to construct a decent
> NTI.
>
> I can't really tell you much more from here. A good NTI dentist is
> where I would go and work with them to find the best design for you.
>
> Difficult cases don't always resolve every symptom, and may not
> feel great in a week or two. That doesn't mean that there are
> more effective, safer treatments available.
>
thanks for the reply steve, i might have to give it another go,
especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.
> JMO,
> Steve
>
> >>do i need to get imaging at this point ??.....seems like i never even
> >>got an exam before the NTI. He just popped one in.
>
> > well, i tried wearing it last night, and it did help the back of my
> > neck,head pain, but
> > the cramping pain on the side of my jaw that pops seems worse.
Re: NTI failure continued
I thought this was worth re-posting
> especially since the white coats dont seem
> to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> for the spasms.
I thought this was worth re-posting
> especially since the white coats dont seem
> to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> for the spasms.
Re: NTI failure continued
Amatus Cremona wrote:
> I thought this was worth re-posting
>
>
>
>>especially since the white coats dont seem
>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
>>for the spasms.
Very true.
Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
be referred to get him out of their hair.
D
Amatus Cremona wrote:
> I thought this was worth re-posting
>
>
>
>>especially since the white coats dont seem
>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
>>for the spasms.
Very true.
Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
be referred to get him out of their hair.
D
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Amatus Cremona wrote:
> > I thought this was worth re-posting
>
> >>especially since the white coats dont seem
> >>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> >>for the spasms.
>
> Very true.
>
> Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
> labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
> be referred to get him out of their hair.
>
> D
oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
drugs(none of which
do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
be getting better too.
On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Amatus Cremona wrote:
> > I thought this was worth re-posting
>
> >>especially since the white coats dont seem
> >>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> >>for the spasms.
>
> Very true.
>
> Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
> labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
> be referred to get him out of their hair.
>
> D
oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
drugs(none of which
do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
be getting better too.
Re: NTI failure continued
Not saying that you're out of the woods, but we'll see
what happens over the next few weeks...
:-)
D
jerm wrote:
> On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
>>Amatus Cremona wrote:
>>
>>>I thought this was worth re-posting
>>
>>>>especially since the white coats dont seem
>>>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
>>>>for the spasms.
>>
>>Very true.
>>
>>Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
>>labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
>>be referred to get him out of their hair.
>>
>>D
>
>
> oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
> to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
> drugs(none of which
> do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
> elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
> the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
> are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
> for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
> my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
> be getting better too.
Not saying that you're out of the woods, but we'll see
what happens over the next few weeks...
:-)
D
jerm wrote:
> On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
>>Amatus Cremona wrote:
>>
>>>I thought this was worth re-posting
>>
>>>>especially since the white coats dont seem
>>>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
>>>>for the spasms.
>>
>>Very true.
>>
>>Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
>>labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
>>be referred to get him out of their hair.
>>
>>D
>
>
> oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
> to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
> drugs(none of which
> do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
> elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
> the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
> are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
> for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
> my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
> be getting better too.
Re: NTI failure continued
On May 19, 11:23 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Not saying that you're out of the woods, but we'll see
> what happens over the next few weeks...
>
> :-)
> D
>
> jerm wrote:
> > On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
> >>Amatus Cremona wrote:
>
> >>>I thought this was worth re-posting
>
> >>>>especially since the white coats dont seem
> >>>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> >>>>for the spasms.
>
> >>Very true.
>
> >>Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
> >>labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
> >>be referred to get him out of their hair.
>
> >>D
>
> > oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
> > to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
> > drugs(none of which
> > do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
> > elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
> > the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
> > are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
> > for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
> > my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
> > be getting better too.
My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.
On May 19, 11:23 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
> Not saying that you're out of the woods, but we'll see
> what happens over the next few weeks...
>
> :-)
> D
>
> jerm wrote:
> > On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet,com > wrote:
>
> >>Amatus Cremona wrote:
>
> >>>I thought this was worth re-posting
>
> >>>>especially since the white coats dont seem
> >>>>to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
> >>>>for the spasms.
>
> >>Very true.
>
> >>Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
> >>labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
> >>be referred to get him out of their hair.
>
> >>D
>
> > oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
> > to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
> > drugs(none of which
> > do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
> > elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
> > the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
> > are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
> > for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
> > my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
> > be getting better too.
My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.
Re: NTI failure continued
jerm wrote:
> My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
> touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
> open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
> that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.
Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.
Usually, a little juditious adjustment at the dental office gets things
evened out.
It also is not uncommon to awake and notice your teeth don't feel
like they are biting normally, but have things straighten out after
breakfast.
What kind of injury did you have? Was your jaw broken? I forgot.
D
jerm wrote:
> My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
> touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
> open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
> that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.
Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.
Usually, a little juditious adjustment at the dental office gets things
evened out.
It also is not uncommon to awake and notice your teeth don't feel
like they are biting normally, but have things straighten out after
breakfast.
What kind of injury did you have? Was your jaw broken? I forgot.
D
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