Success Curiosity

Success Curiosity

Hello,
I know many people who benefited from the Bates method.
Out of curiosity, has anyone improved their eyesight to perfect? i.e.
started with 20/50 or worse and improved it to better than 20/20?

Please briefly share your experience,
PA

Re: Success Curiosity

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apavel@gmail,com wrote:

> Hello,
> I know many people who benefited from the Bates method.
> Out of curiosity, has anyone improved their eyesight to perfect? i.e.
> started with 20/50 or worse and improved it to better than 20/20?


I'm not aware of any definition of "perfect". 20/20 simply means that a
person sees at 20 feet what a normal person sees at 20 feet. 20/50
means that a person sees at 20 feet what a normal person sees at 50 feet.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
dabel@sonic,net

Re: Success Curiosity

Hi PA,

I have been practicing the Bates method for a many months, but my
eyesight is still very far from perfect. However, I have received
great temporary success in improving my sight. I have had many very
sharp clear flashes, all very memorable. One clear flash I had, while
looking at my eye chart, was somewhere between 10/20 and 10/10.

As for my visual condition, it would take an insanely long time to
explain. But basically I'll just say I have about 4 diopters of myopia
in each eye, which varies all the time, and has gotten much worse
before. In fact, there were a few times when I tested myself with my
eye chart at 10 feet, but couldn't read the top letter, even though
it's posted in my bedroom and I have had it for a VERY long time. So I
stepped closer but I STILL couldn't read it. Actually I wasn't even
aware that it was an "S" until I got like a foot away!!! O o

So considering how bad my eyes are, I'm amazed at how much the Bates
method has done for me so far. I get clear flashes all the time,
daily. I KNOW that it works (don't even ask, I have been observing
this for months...), so it's just a matter of relaxing all the time.
Then my cure will be permanent. I don't consider 20/20 vision to be
acceptable; I expect a level of telescopic and microscopic eyesight,
or at the very least 20/5 vision (eagle eyes). Then again, I wouldn't
mind going around with 20/10 vision (2x better than normal
vision)..,it 's definitely much better than my usual 20/400 - 20/800
eyesight, LOL!

I have also received COUNTLESS other benefits from practicing the
Bates method, most of which are not vision-related so I will not write
about them now. Also I'm an extremely busy person, so I don't have the
time now anyway.

If you're interested in reading more about my success, I posted a
bunch of stuff on the iblindness.org forum. Here's a list of all my
posts:

http :// www .iblindness.org/community/search.php?author id•4&sr=posts

(All my posts might not be what you're looking for. In that case, you
can use the search feature.)

Hope this helps,
Jason

Re: Success Curiosity

People like Jason have posted a LOT of stuff.

Work with an eye doctor. Have him/her perform a thorough cycloplegic
refraction before you start your natural vision improvement program,
and then after.

Let us know the results.

Oddly, nobody's ever been willing to do this.

So ... all we're left with is unverifiable, third-hand anecdotes that
simply may or may not be true, and -- even if they ARE true -- may or
may not have anything to do with people's attempts at the Bates
method.

I've been doing more yoga over the last few months. Now my hair is
greying at the temples. Should I attribute the grey to the yoga?

The Bates advocates surely would.

I'm not suggesting you don't try it. I AM, however, suggesting that
you use science as a way of NOT fooling yourself.

Like Jason and Zetsu have, and try to get others to do.

Re: Success Curiosity

So NOBODY has been able to improve their eyesight past 20/40 or so??
Dan Abel, my question is not a hard one. There is no reason to define
"perfect" "normal" whatever.. My question was very clear: "Has anyone
been able to improve their vision from worse than 20/50 (myopia) to
better than 20/20 (normal vision)".

My eyesight is about 20/50 and I am losing hope. I've read many many
and many stories where people have improved from -10D or so, but I've
never heard of anyone to improve to normal - 20/20 or better.
Everyone keeps saying they can do it, but nobody has ever done it.

Re: Success Curiosity

Don't concern yourself with what others have managed to accomplish or
have not accomplished. Just get down to practicing the cure of
imperfect sight yourself, independently, as has been directed in the
1920 book and magazines, and you will recover perfect vision. Do not
lose hope. If you seek motivation, then read the Stories from The
Clinic. Hope this helps.

Re: Success Curiosity

On Apr 10, 7:14 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail,com > wrote:

> Don't concern yourself with what others have managed to accomplish or
> have not accomplished.

Right ... because THAT would be too much like evidence ... and the
Bates people try to steer you away from that.

Thanks for being so clear on this, Zetsu.

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I will not lie about the matter, Neil. There are not many who are
successful with the method. But this should be no discouragement to
those who are earnestly determined.

Re: Success Curiosity

On Apr 10, 7:39 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> I will not lie about the matter, Neil. There are not many who are
> successful with the method. But this should be no discouragement to
> those who are earnestly determined.

This is much like Otis's "logic," then.

We KNOW that vision often changes with time ... absent ANY
interventions.

- Some people get worse.

- Some stay the same.

- Some get better.

You could, then, ask people to start earnestly playing the fiddle,
every day. Over time,

- the vision of some would improve

- the vision of some would worsen

- the vision of some would stay the same.

You and Otis would attribute the improvements to the earnest fiddle
playing.

Rational, critical, scientific people would not. They would note that
no significant change from a control (did nothing) group occurred.

Again: randomized controlled study, looking for statistically
significant improvement between the two groups. It ain't perfect, but
it's a WHOLE LOT better than your approach: faith.

And THAT's why neither you nor Otis belongs in a sci. group.

Re: Success Curiosity

Neil, Dr. Bates has observed the reduction of myopia from 6% down to
1% by the use of his Snellen chart method. All other methods used
prior to this had failed. The study was conducted with thousands of
different pupils from different areas across the USA. If that's not
what you call a randomized control study, where a statistically
significant improvement has been found between the two groups (if you
have read the article I posted earlier, where Bates talks about all
this then you should understand this) then I don't know what is. This
has been published in the New York Medical Journal, and demonstrated
by Dr.Bates on many later occasions.

Now I should like you to know that when I say 'not many have been
successful' I mean that not many have reached 20/10, perfect sight,
NOT that very few have seen IMPROVEMENTS with the method. In fact,
many have seen immense improvements with the method. And in the case
of myopia, there are numerous cases of a greater than 1.5 diopter
improvement (how is it that a 10 diopter myope is able suddenly to see
20/10 for a very short moment?), which blows away the theory that
organic myopia is incurable.

So, when you say 'some people get better', are you telling me that
some people, without having discarded their glasses, without
practicing any form of Dr Bates' rest method, have acquired perfect
sight? Because I have never heard one SINGLE occurrence of this. Bring
me ONE single case and I will take back everything. One case of this
is all that's necessary.

To the original poster: All you need to do now is discard glasses,
begin reading the work of Bates, practice the methods (24/7) and it's
only a matter of time from there.

Re: Success Curiosity


Dear Friend,

Subject: Vision clearing by non-Bates methods.

While indeed difficult SOME people have been able to
clear their Snellens as stated by Captain Fred Deakins.

Obviously results vary.

Enjoy,

=========

Note: This is a personal message -- not endorsed by the United
States Air Force. Captain Deakins understood the explicit
requirements -- and met and exceeded them.



AIR FORCE PILOT USES THE PLUS LENS TO CLEAR
HIS DISTANT VISION FROM 20/50 TO 20/20

From: Captain Fred Deakins

To: You who must achieve 20/20.

Hello everyone, I'm a new member of this group of pilots and
have found your conversations quite interesting. Like most of
you, I am a believer in alternatives to the western philosophy of
handing out visual crutches to everyone with eyesight / vision
problems. Graduating from college, I found that my vision had
regressed to a myopic 20/50 due to near-point stress. At the
time, I was in the running for a coveted air force pilot slot, but
absolutely had to pass the ophthalmology exam with 20/20
uncorrected (this was back in 1996).

Through good fortune, I found the concept of plus lens vision
restoration and began working feverishly to improve my eyesight.
I worked about 1 hour every day, 5 days a week and gave my eyes a
rest on Saturday and Sunday. I found that by Friday, my vision
was terrible, but come Sunday morning, I had eagle vision without
any squinting or straining. I kept to my schedule leading up to
my initial military flight physical (4 months later) and read the
20/15 over and over again without even knowing it. Needless to
say, my life dream was obtained and I now live in New Jersey
flying jets out of McGuire AFB.

It worked for me, and I know that it's worked for countless
others. Having reset my life goals, I now want to help others who
are striving for better vision. I have started a company called
America 20/20, and our purpose is to provide first rate
instruction and support to those willing to invest time, effort
and commitment with the goal of achieving sharp vision without
glasses or surgery. [Note: Fred Deakins subsequently disbanded
America 20/20 for reasons I am not allowed to talk about. Use your
imagination.]

I'll warn you, though..,it definitely takes work and
persistence on your part. Think about it, our vision deteriorates
from prolonged stress and strain in the eye...for most of us
taking years to develop. Why should we expect to be able to
correct our vision naturally literally over night? Believe me, 4
months is a blink of the eye compared to the 6 or 7 years it took
me to ruin my vision (no pun intended). I stopped doing these
exercises after my flight physical (3 years ago) and still see
20/20 with very little effort (this was impossible for me before
doing this).

It's true that this method (and others) have failed some
people. Those with eye disease excluded, I would be willing to
bet that this is because it took too much effort on their part and
therefore they decided to give up -- and go with the easy
solution...corrective minus lenses or some form of eye surgery.

Anyway, I don't usually write long messages, but this is
important. I care about each and every one of you who are
suffering from any form of disease or accommodative errors of the
eye.


Best Regards,


Captain Fred Deakins, USAF (Ret.)






On Apr 10, 10:00 am, apa...@gmail,com wrote:
> So NOBODY has been able to improve their eyesight past 20/40 or so??
> Dan Abel, my question is not a hard one.  There is no reason to define
> "perfect" "normal" whatever.. My question was very clear:  "Has anyone
> been able to improve their vision from worse than 20/50 (myopia) to
> better than 20/20 (normal vision)".
>
> My eyesight is about 20/50 and I am losing hope.  I've read many many
> and many stories where people have improved from -10D or so, but I've
> never heard of anyone to improve to normal - 20/20 or better.
> Everyone keeps saying they can do it, but nobody has ever done it.

Re: Success Curiosity

On Apr 10, 8:27 am, otisbr...@embarqmail,com wrote:

> While indeed difficult SOME people have been able to
> clear their Snellens as stated by Captain Fred Deakins.

Or their vision simply changed over time.

It can do that, you know. Quite common. Quite well documented.

Helps to have a little education in science, though. Otherwise, you
might just take people like Zetsu and Otis at their word.

That's risky ... at best.

Re: Success Curiosity

Show me ONE case Neil. One case of success without intervention. And
I'll accept defeat.

Re: Success Curiosity

On Apr 10, 8:33 am, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> Show me ONE case Neil. One case of success without intervention. And
> I'll accept defeat.

http :// www .nap.edu/openbook.php?record id20&page3

It followed students over something like 2.5 yrs. You'll see that the
results were exactly as I stated: some got worse, some got better,
some stayed the same.

Highly unlikely that those who got better were "secretly imagining
perfect black...."

Bye-bye.

Re: Success Curiosity

Neil, please read my earlier post.
I said, did anyone recover perfect sight even while wearing their
glasses and without practicing rest methods? I am not asking if some
people merely got a 'little better' or a 'little worse'.

And BTW, 2.5 years is a very long time to wait and see whether you get
better or worse! Wouldn't you rather just spend far less time just
practicing the Bates System and get fully and permanently cured?