eye problem

eye problem

6 days ago, I suddenly experienced an irritation in my right
eye, in the outer corner. It felt like something was in there,
a bit of dust perhaps. I couldn't dislodge it, I now believe
nothing was actually in the eye. However, that part of the
eye was bloodshot, it looked like an injury of some sort.

There was no trauma, no obvious explanation.

The irritation continued for almost 2 days, and finally subsided.
What remained, was a soreness in that part of the eye. It
felt like a muscle pull, strange as that sounds, like the
blink muscle was sore. "It only hurts when I blink", haha.

This has continued without relief. I can sleep, but the
soreness has not dissipated. Also, it's sensitive to touch -
I don't touch the cornea directly, but if I rub the eyelid,
it's tender.

Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
possibilities are. I don't like to run to doctors unless
it's necessary.

--
Rich

Re: eye problem

On May 29, 9:43 pm, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> 6 days ago, I suddenly experienced an irritation in my right
> eye, in the outer corner.  It felt like something was in there,
> a bit of dust perhaps.  I couldn't dislodge it, I now believe
> nothing was actually in the eye.  However, that part of the
> eye was bloodshot, it looked like an injury of some sort.
>
> There was no trauma, no obvious explanation.
>
> The irritation continued for almost 2 days, and finally subsided.
> What remained, was a soreness in that part of the eye.  It
> felt like a muscle pull, strange as that sounds, like the
> blink muscle was sore.  "It only hurts when I blink", haha.
>
> This has continued without relief.  I can sleep, but the
> soreness has not dissipated.  Also, it's sensitive to touch -
> I don't touch the cornea directly, but if I rub the eyelid,
> it's tender.
>
> Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
> to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
> possibilities are.  I don't like to run to doctors unless
> it's necessary.
>
> --
> Rich

There may still be a tiny foreign body in there that you could not
see. If it was splinter-like or sharp in any way, you could have
driven it into tissue in your efforts to dislodge it. Even if there
is no foreign body, you could have also created some inflammation or
irritation in those sensitive tissues by the rubbing. It should
subside within 24 - 48 hours or so, however, so if you are still
having a problem, you should probably see someone about it.

--tension

Re: eye problem

On May 30, 12:43 am, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
> Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
> to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
> possibilities are.  I don't like to run to doctors unless
> it's necessary.
>
> --
> Rich



As long as you checked the internet first, why even bother with an
exam ?

Re: eye problem

spammer wrote:

> On May 30, 12:43 am, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
>> Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
>> to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
>> possibilities are. I don't like to run to doctors unless
>> it's necessary.
>
> As long as you checked the internet first, why even bother with an
> exam ?

Because SOMETIMES a simple description will elicit an answer that makes
a visit to the doctor unnecessary. Yeah, it happens all the time to
lots of people in lots of different situations including non-medical.
That's what usenet is for, and it works pretty well assuming people have
something between their ears.

I've gone to doctors whose answer was a simple "I don't know." Not "I
don't know, but I can look it up" or "I don't know, here's the name of a
specialist" or "I don't know, let me talk to my colleague". Just "I
don't know", the same answer I could have gotten from my next door
neighbor, the one with limited English, for free.

I never went back to that doctor and he left (or was ejected from) the
practice within 6 months.

--
Cheers,
Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I never understood why anyone would go to the trouble to write a novel
when you can just go out and buy one for a few bucks." -- lpogoda

Re: eye problem

On May 31, 11:10 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail,com > wrote:
> spammer wrote:
> > On May 30, 12:43 am, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>
> >> Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
> >> to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
> >> possibilities are.  I don't like to run to doctors unless
> >> it's necessary.
>
> > As long as you checked the internet first, why even bother with an
> > exam ?
>
> Because SOMETIMES a simple description will elicit an answer that makes
> a visit to the doctor unnecessary.  Yeah, it happens all the time to
> lots of people in lots of different situations including non-medical.
> That's what usenet is for, and it works pretty well assuming people have
> something between their ears.
>
> I've gone to doctors whose answer was a simple "I don't know."  Not "I
> don't know, but I can look it up" or "I don't know, here's the name of a
> specialist" or "I don't know, let me talk to my colleague".  Just "I
> don't know", the same answer I could have gotten from my next door
> neighbor, the one with limited English, for free.
>

If you want to rely on the web for your medical needs, that's your
business. I wouldn't recommend doing this for anyone who has something
"between their ears".

Re: eye problem

spammer wrote:
> On May 31, 11:10 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> spammer wrote:
>>> On May 30, 12:43 am, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>>> Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
>>>> to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
>>>> possibilities are. I don't like to run to doctors unless
>>>> it's necessary.
>>> As long as you checked the internet first, why even bother with an
>>> exam ?
>> Because SOMETIMES a simple description will elicit an answer that makes
>> a visit to the doctor unnecessary. Yeah, it happens all the time to
>> lots of people in lots of different situations including non-medical.
>> That's what usenet is for, and it works pretty well assuming people have
>> something between their ears.
>>
>> I've gone to doctors whose answer was a simple "I don't know." Not "I
>> don't know, but I can look it up" or "I don't know, here's the name of a
>> specialist" or "I don't know, let me talk to my colleague". Just "I
>> don't know", the same answer I could have gotten from my next door
>> neighbor, the one with limited English, for free.
>>
>
> If you want to rely on the web for your medical needs, that's your
> business. I wouldn't recommend doing this for anyone who has something
> "between their ears".

So, trust your doctor completely, don't do any research, don't look at
options, just do exactly what your doctor says since he is always the
best god to worship?

The medical profession is interested in profitable therapies, patentable
drugs, and restriction of medical graduates. It is a "for profit"
business and consequently doesn't know nor does it care what is best for
each individual patient.

So, get informed BEFORE seeing your doctor. Internet resources are one
option.

--

Pramesh Rutaji

p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply

Re: eye problem

On Jun 2, 12:04 pm, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy,com > wrote:
>
> So, trust your doctor completely, don't do any research, don't look at
> options, just do exactly what your doctor says since he is always the
> best god to worship?
>
> The medical profession is interested in profitable therapies, patentable
> drugs, and restriction of medical graduates.  It is a "for profit"
> business and consequently doesn't know nor does it care what is best for
> each individual patient.
>
> So, get informed BEFORE seeing your doctor.  Internet resources are one
> option.
>
> --
>


This is "Zetsu logic". I thought you were smarter than that.

Re: eye problem

spammer wrote:
> On Jun 2, 12:04 pm, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy,com > wrote:
>> So, trust your doctor completely, don't do any research, don't look at
>> options, just do exactly what your doctor says since he is always the
>> best god to worship?
>>
>> The medical profession is interested in profitable therapies, patentable
>> drugs, and restriction of medical graduates. It is a "for profit"
>> business and consequently doesn't know nor does it care what is best for
>> each individual patient.
>>
>> So, get informed BEFORE seeing your doctor. Internet resources are one
>> option.
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
> This is "Zetsu logic". I thought you were smarter than that.

I don't know about "zetsu logic" but I don't ever trust a professional
of any kind unconditionally (doctors are only on kind of "professional")
and I realize that the economics of medicine is a major influence on
what options are even possible within the for-profit framework. Ask two
doctors, get three opinions.

--

Pramesh Rutaji

p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply

Re: eye problem

On Jun 2, 9:04 am, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy,com > wrote:

> So, trust your doctor completely, don't do any research, don't look at
> options, just do exactly what your doctor says since he is always the
> best god to worship?


There are better reasons to do what your doctor says than worship.
Unless you have the same level of knowledge that he/she has, then
there are several years of reading, training and experience to suggest
that he/she might just have an edge over you in determining whether
your problems in minor or major in the first place. There are many
more ways than just doing exactly what your doctor says, by the way,
in responding to a doctors visit. You have a mouth, and you, as the
patient, are expected to advocate for yourself and that includes
asking your doctor questions about what he/she is recommending for
you. Trust has nothing to do with it, if communication is intact. A
good doctor can explain to you what is wrong, why it is not minor if
that's the case, and why you should do whatever it is he/she is
recommending. And if they do not, then you must ask. In the same
spirit as your own post which recommends doing research, looking at
options, you must do exactly the same in a doctors office when you are
presenting him/her with your problem. Solving it is a two-way street,
and requires involvement from both parties.

By the way, what makes you think that trusting your doctor, and doing
research are mutually exclusive?


>
> The medical profession is interested in profitable therapies, patentable
> drugs, and restriction of medical graduates.  It is a "for profit"
> business and consequently doesn't know nor does it care what is best for
> each individual patient.

The medical profession does not make money off profitable therapies.
The companies who make the therapies make the money off profitable
therapies. Patentable drugs make money for pharmaceutical companies,
not for physicians. I am very curious indeed as to how you think the
medical profession makes money by restricting medical graduates,
whatever that actually means.

The "medical profession" as you call it, is not a money-making guild.
Each practitioner is attempting to earn a living independently, or as
a member of a medical group (along the size of a small business) or as
a salaried employee of a hospital. Each physician is not some
contributor to a "medical profession" collective or corporation and it
is fallacious of you to think that he or she would act like a
corporation. There is no money for any single physician to "drum up
business" for. It is very fashionable right now for people to sling a
great deal of mud on physicians as if they are part and parcel of a
big "healthcare industry conspiracy" but really, that is getting a bit
paranoid. Your remark that "it" doesn't know or care what is best for
any individual patient is clear evidence that you are losing
perspective. This individual is not going to present himself to "the
medical profession" that does not know or care. If he goes, he is
going to an individual physician as human as you or I. Who, whether
he is trying to make a profit like any fair-minded businessman or just
working for a straight salary, is going to be as guided by his own
values and moralities in how he serves the public and conducts his
business just in the same way as any other human might.
>
> So, get informed BEFORE seeing your doctor.  Internet resources are one
> option.

> Pramesh Rutaji

You will note that I did advocate getting informed. The internet,
however, is not exactly the trustworthy source you seem to think it
is. If you spend your efforts to inform yourself by searching the
internet, I would not consider you a serious researcher since you seem
willing to consider a source which could be contributed to by any Tom,
Dick or Harry as potentially reliable. Really, if I had to take my
chances with a total stranger, I would at least like to see an office
and an MD behind his name. You just finished telling everybody they
should not trust their doctor, but they should trust a total stranger
on the usenet to give them information they can use to consider
themselves informed. A bit of a contradiction, that.

Now I will tell you that, if you go back and read my first post in
response to this poster, you will see the very reasonable response
that was, in fact, given to him by a physician, and not one that is
out rabidly raising the stock of all the brotherhood!

--tension

Re: eye problem

tension on the wire wrote:

> There are better reasons to do what your doctor says than worship.
> Unless you have the same level of knowledge that he/she has, then
> there are several years of reading, training and experience to suggest
> that he/she might just have an edge over you in determining whether
> your problems in minor or major in the first place.

A friend's kid, a Caltech graduate in biology who went on to medical
school, said she was shocked to find that med school required
memorization, not thinking. She's now a board-certified ER Doc, BTW.

> On Jun 2, 9:04 am, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy,com > wrote:
>
>> The medical profession is interested in profitable therapies, patentable
>> drugs, and restriction of medical graduates. It is a "for profit"
>> business and consequently doesn't know nor does it care what is best for
>> each individual patient.
>
> The medical profession does not make money off profitable therapies.
> The companies who make the therapies make the money off profitable
> therapies. Patentable drugs make money for pharmaceutical companies,
> not for physicians. I am very curious indeed as to how you think the
> medical profession makes money by restricting medical graduates,
> whatever that actually means.

Standard union practice: restrict the number of members, thereby
increasing the income of each one.

Remember when Bill Clinton was going to pay <BIGNAME> Medical School to
cut the number of admissions? Whatever happened to that?

> The "medical profession" as you call it, is not a money-making guild.

Do you really believe that? I have yet to hear the AMA espouse anything
that does NOT increase business for the medical profession.

> Each practitioner is attempting to earn a living independently, or as
> a member of a medical group (along the size of a small business) or as
> a salaried employee of a hospital. Each physician is not some
> contributor to a "medical profession" collective or corporation and it
> is fallacious of you to think that he or she would act like a
> corporation.

Every doctor around here is indeed a corporation. Ever heard of limited
liability?

> You will note that I did advocate getting informed. The internet,
> however, is not exactly the trustworthy source you seem to think it
> is. If you spend your efforts to inform yourself by searching the
> internet, I would not consider you a serious researcher since you seem
> willing to consider a source which could be contributed to by any Tom,
> Dick or Harry as potentially reliable. Really, if I had to take my
> chances with a total stranger, I would at least like to see an office
> and an MD behind his name. You just finished telling everybody they
> should not trust their doctor, but they should trust a total stranger
> on the usenet to give them information they can use to consider
> themselves informed. A bit of a contradiction, that.

Not necessarily. If you read enough of what a given poster writes you
figure out who's full of shit and who isn't. Or at least I do.

The doctor I went to ("I don't know.") was a member of a group practice,
apparently in good standing with his fellow wizards. I'm glad to know
he's gone now, but I have to wonder how many people were or will be
treated badly or not treated at all.

--
Cheers,
Bev
=============================================================Everyone crashes. Some get back on. Some don't. Some can't.

Re: eye problem

On Jun 2, tension on the wire <tension at h...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> I am very curious indeed as to how you think the
> medical profession makes money by restricting medical graduates,
> whatever that actually means.
>
> The "medical profession" as you call it, is not a money-making guild.

Let me guess - you went to college, took
Ec 101, and got a passing grade, right?


--
Rich

Re: eye problem

On Jun 2, 11:55 pm, tension on the wire <tension at h...@yahoo,com >
wrote:
> I am verycuriousindeed as to how you think the
> medical profession makes money by restricting medical graduates,
> whatever that actually means.

You (genuinely) should do some research on this.

It's called "artificial scarcity," in Economic terms. It's much the
same as real estate developers lobbying for "greenbelts" in the city.
Less buildable land equates to greater pricing for THEIR properties.

A sample:

"The Council on Medical Education and Hospitals of the American
Medical Association approves medical schools. In order for a medical
school to get and stay on its list of approved schools it has to meet
the standards of the Council.

The power of the Council has been demonstrated at various times when
there has been pressure to reduce numbers. For example, in the 1930's
during the depression, the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals
wrote a letter to the various medical schools saying the medical
schools were admitting more students than could be given the proper
kind of training. In the next year or two, every school reduced the
number it was admitting, giving very strong presumptive evidence that
the recommendation had some effect."

Re: eye problem

In simpler terms, it's called supply and demand. When the supply is
reduced, the ratio tilts towards the demand and the price goes up up
up... Economics 101. [Currently we see the opposite in the real
estate market, as the demand for housing decreases, the supply
increases, the prices plummet and the whole market collapses.]

On Jun 3, 4:46 pm, Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:55 pm, tension on the wire <tension at h...@yahoo,com >
> wrote:
>
> > I am verycuriousindeed as to how you think the
> > medical profession makes money by restricting medical graduates,
> > whatever that actually means.
>
> You (genuinely) should do some research on this.
>
> It's called "artificial scarcity," in Economic terms.  It's much the
> same as real estate developers lobbying for "greenbelts" in the city.
> Less buildable land equates to greater pricing for THEIR properties.
>
> A sample:
>
> "The Council on Medical Education and Hospitals of the American
> Medical Association approves medical schools. In order for a medical
> school to get and stay on its list of approved schools it has to meet
> the standards of the Council.
>
> The power of the Council has been demonstrated at various times when
> there has been pressure to reduce numbers. For example, in the 1930's
> during the depression, the Council on Medical Education and Hospitals
> wrote a letter to the various medical schools saying the medical
> schools were admitting more students than could be given the proper
> kind of training. In the next year or two, every school reduced the
> number it was admitting, giving very strong presumptive evidence that
> the recommendation had some effect."

Re: eye problem

On May 31, spammer <sereb...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> > Of course I don't expect a diagnosis here, I just want
> > to know if these symptoms sound familiar, what the
> > possibilities are.  I don't like to run to doctors unless
> > it's necessary.
>
>  As long as you checked the internet first, why even
> bother with an exam ?

Dude, chill.

The idea is to do some research, get some
information before visiting the doc, find out
what questions to ask.

When you go to a car mechanic, you just
swallow anything he says, you never ask
any questions beforehand, never look in
a tech manual? I bet your mechanic loves you...


--
Rich

Re: eye problem

On Jun 2, 6:16 pm, RichD <r delaney2...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>>
> >  As long as you checked the internet first, why even
> > bother with an exam ?
>
> Dude, chill.
>
> The idea is to do some research, get some
> information before visiting the doc, find out
> what questions to ask.

Why not say "my eye hurts" face to face to your doc? Suppose you had
something that needed immediate attention, where checking the internet
would have cost you your sight?


>
> When you go to a car mechanic, you just
> swallow anything he says, you never ask
> any questions beforehand, never look in
> a tech manual?  I bet your mechanic loves you...

Nope, not at all. I do my own repairs. I don't "swallow" anything
anyone says. And since when is the internet a source of only truth?