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Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
Now doubt the good doctor Andrew Chung will try to wriggle out
of it but this time his goose is cooked. Shame on Luke a patron saint
of doctors for reporting Jeus's incidenary remarks.
Until now I always thought Jesus was a non violent freak -
turn the other cheek multiple times kind of guy. Gandhi borrowed that
phrase from the Bible and emasculated the Hindus and they were driven
out of Pakistan, Bangladesh , Kashmir . In fact Hinduism itself
teaches you NOT to accept injustice ( Geeta) and to fight for your
rights .
In another verse Jesus refuses to heal a non Jewish woman
saying his message is not to be spent on 'swines' !
Every time a missionary tries to convert a Hindu or Atheist ,
he should be shown this verse in Luke and asked is this what Jesus
meant by dying for our sins.
If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
in great danger from both mad male monotheist religions.
Luke 19.27
Jesus said
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them,
bring them here and slay them in my presence."
...
missionaries will always confuse the issue. The bibles that
present Jesus thus have many violent verses in the Christian bible! I
posted before. Christians have always used bible as a political tool
not as a religious,spiritual tool. Thus they have verses which are
violent but hide them till they convert and then use them to kill
others who refuse. In war both sides invoke the same bible!
Mark 16 verses:
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and
they shall recover
Now doubt the good doctor Andrew Chung will try to wriggle out
of it but this time his goose is cooked. Shame on Luke a patron saint
of doctors for reporting Jeus's incidenary remarks.
Until now I always thought Jesus was a non violent freak -
turn the other cheek multiple times kind of guy. Gandhi borrowed that
phrase from the Bible and emasculated the Hindus and they were driven
out of Pakistan, Bangladesh , Kashmir . In fact Hinduism itself
teaches you NOT to accept injustice ( Geeta) and to fight for your
rights .
In another verse Jesus refuses to heal a non Jewish woman
saying his message is not to be spent on 'swines' !
Every time a missionary tries to convert a Hindu or Atheist ,
he should be shown this verse in Luke and asked is this what Jesus
meant by dying for our sins.
If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
in great danger from both mad male monotheist religions.
Luke 19.27
Jesus said
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them,
bring them here and slay them in my presence."
...
missionaries will always confuse the issue. The bibles that
present Jesus thus have many violent verses in the Christian bible! I
posted before. Christians have always used bible as a political tool
not as a religious,spiritual tool. Thus they have verses which are
violent but hide them till they convert and then use them to kill
others who refuse. In war both sides invoke the same bible!
Mark 16 verses:
16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and
they shall recover
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
"The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose," said Shakespeare.
Why and how are the "scriptures" so contradictory?
Because they are compilations of many earlier documents, and those
earlier documents were mostly written or formulated as oral traditions
by traumatised survivors of the series of catastrophes and subsequent
survivalist emergencies in which both our behaviour patterns and our
religions are rooted.
Of course you, habbie, can pose as a very wise man by pointing out
contradictions in scriptures, of which others are unaware as they are
too busy earning a living.
But what you are doing is not conducive to societal healing.
And yes, Gandhi was a clown. He weakened the Hindus with his naive
disregard of inter-tribal hatreds.
And if he'd tried that stunt with French or Belgian colonists, he
would have just got a bullet in his brain first time round, but the
British humoured him because the British are too "nice" for their own
good, as is shown by the fact that the British - because of their
"niceness," have now allowed themselves to be colonised by the
European Union.
"The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose," said Shakespeare.
Why and how are the "scriptures" so contradictory?
Because they are compilations of many earlier documents, and those
earlier documents were mostly written or formulated as oral traditions
by traumatised survivors of the series of catastrophes and subsequent
survivalist emergencies in which both our behaviour patterns and our
religions are rooted.
Of course you, habbie, can pose as a very wise man by pointing out
contradictions in scriptures, of which others are unaware as they are
too busy earning a living.
But what you are doing is not conducive to societal healing.
And yes, Gandhi was a clown. He weakened the Hindus with his naive
disregard of inter-tribal hatreds.
And if he'd tried that stunt with French or Belgian colonists, he
would have just got a bullet in his brain first time round, but the
British humoured him because the British are too "nice" for their own
good, as is shown by the fact that the British - because of their
"niceness," have now allowed themselves to be colonised by the
European Union.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
Hey, you might find this link interesting:
* answers.yahoo . com /question/index?qid=20070124111610AAnPxw0
Jesus isn't talking about himself, he's continuing on with the story (or
parable) and talking about the lord (of which the story is about)'s response
to his servants' actions.
The Bible is just like most literature you read. You can't take a single
sentence, or a single part, and decide it's meaning from there. You have to
read the surrounding context and a lot of the times research what was
happening during that time frame to understand the meaning behind the message.
It's like doing explications, especially on really complex literature like
The Scarlet Letter. If you just read it word for word without trying to
decipher all the hidden literary elements, it isn't going to mean much.
However, if you spend the time explicating the text you learn a lot behind
the meanings of the words. (You can do the same with The Great Gatsby, and
the list goes on...)
Like most anything, the Bible is often taken out of context to suit the needs
of the person attempting to disqualify it, or use it to their own benefit.
Truly, "The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose." (Shakespeare) as noted
below.
There are many verses that are easily misinterpreted, such as the one you
just used. I am no expert in the Bible, but I have found that a little bit
of research goes a long way.
Hope that helps.
Hey, you might find this link interesting:
* answers.yahoo . com /question/index?qid=20070124111610AAnPxw0
Jesus isn't talking about himself, he's continuing on with the story (or
parable) and talking about the lord (of which the story is about)'s response
to his servants' actions.
The Bible is just like most literature you read. You can't take a single
sentence, or a single part, and decide it's meaning from there. You have to
read the surrounding context and a lot of the times research what was
happening during that time frame to understand the meaning behind the message.
It's like doing explications, especially on really complex literature like
The Scarlet Letter. If you just read it word for word without trying to
decipher all the hidden literary elements, it isn't going to mean much.
However, if you spend the time explicating the text you learn a lot behind
the meanings of the words. (You can do the same with The Great Gatsby, and
the list goes on...)
Like most anything, the Bible is often taken out of context to suit the needs
of the person attempting to disqualify it, or use it to their own benefit.
Truly, "The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose." (Shakespeare) as noted
below.
There are many verses that are easily misinterpreted, such as the one you
just used. I am no expert in the Bible, but I have found that a little bit
of research goes a long way.
Hope that helps.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
habshi wrote:
> If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
> in great danger from both mad male monotheist religions.
> Luke 19.27
>
> Jesus said
> "But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them,
> bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Please don't misquote Jesus. This is totally contrary to his teachings
as recorded in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John available here:
w w w .biblegateway . com )
(eg turn the other cheek, go an extra mile, Jesus didn't let a disciple
use violence to defend him before his arrest, but restored the ear which
had been cut off, the words "Father forgive them" re his crucifiers)
The words you quote above from Luke 19.27 are the last verse of a
parable and not an exhortation - they are what a King in the parable was
saying:
Luke 19:
10 For the Son of Man[a] came to seek and save those who are lost.”
Parable of the Ten Servants.
11 The crowd was listening to everything Jesus said. And because he was
nearing Jerusalem, he told them a story to correct the impression that
the Kingdom of God would begin right away. 12 He said, “A nobleman was
called away to a distant empire to be crowned king and then return. 13
Before he left, he called together ten of his servants and divided among
them ten pounds of silver,[b] saying, ‘Invest this for me while I am gone.’
14 But his people hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We
do not want him to be our king.’
15 “After he was crowned king, he returned and called in the servants
to whom he had given the money. He wanted to find out what their profits
were. 16 The first servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and
made ten times the original amount!’
17 “‘Well done!’ the king exclaimed. ‘You are a good servant. You have
been faithful with the little I entrusted to you, so you will be
governor of ten cities as your reward.’
18 “The next servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and made
five times the original amount.’
19 “‘Well done!’ the king said. ‘You will be governor over five cities.’
20 “But the third servant brought back only the original amount of
money and said, ‘Master, I hid your money and kept it safe. 21 I was
afraid because you are a hard man to deal with, taking what isn’t yours
and harvesting crops you didn’t plant.’
22 “‘You wicked servant!’ the king roared. ‘Your own words condemn
you. If you knew that I’m a hard man who takes what isn’t mine and
harvests crops I didn’t plant, 23 why didn’t you deposit my money in the
bank? At least I could have gotten some interest on it.’
24 “Then, turning to the others standing nearby, the king ordered,
‘Take the money from this servant, and give it to the one who has ten
pounds.’
25 “‘But, master,’ they said, ‘he already has ten pounds!’
26 “‘Yes,’ the king replied, ‘and to those who use well what they are
given, even more will be given. But from those who do nothing, even what
little they have will be taken away.
27 And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their
king—bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’”
28 After telling this story, Jesus went on toward Jerusalem,
I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
habshi wrote:
> If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
> in great danger from both mad male monotheist religions.
> Luke 19.27
>
> Jesus said
> "But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them,
> bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Please don't misquote Jesus. This is totally contrary to his teachings
as recorded in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John available here:
w w w .biblegateway . com )
(eg turn the other cheek, go an extra mile, Jesus didn't let a disciple
use violence to defend him before his arrest, but restored the ear which
had been cut off, the words "Father forgive them" re his crucifiers)
The words you quote above from Luke 19.27 are the last verse of a
parable and not an exhortation - they are what a King in the parable was
saying:
Luke 19:
10 For the Son of Man[a] came to seek and save those who are lost.”
Parable of the Ten Servants.
11 The crowd was listening to everything Jesus said. And because he was
nearing Jerusalem, he told them a story to correct the impression that
the Kingdom of God would begin right away. 12 He said, “A nobleman was
called away to a distant empire to be crowned king and then return. 13
Before he left, he called together ten of his servants and divided among
them ten pounds of silver,[b] saying, ‘Invest this for me while I am gone.’
14 But his people hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We
do not want him to be our king.’
15 “After he was crowned king, he returned and called in the servants
to whom he had given the money. He wanted to find out what their profits
were. 16 The first servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and
made ten times the original amount!’
17 “‘Well done!’ the king exclaimed. ‘You are a good servant. You have
been faithful with the little I entrusted to you, so you will be
governor of ten cities as your reward.’
18 “The next servant reported, ‘Master, I invested your money and made
five times the original amount.’
19 “‘Well done!’ the king said. ‘You will be governor over five cities.’
20 “But the third servant brought back only the original amount of
money and said, ‘Master, I hid your money and kept it safe. 21 I was
afraid because you are a hard man to deal with, taking what isn’t yours
and harvesting crops you didn’t plant.’
22 “‘You wicked servant!’ the king roared. ‘Your own words condemn
you. If you knew that I’m a hard man who takes what isn’t mine and
harvests crops I didn’t plant, 23 why didn’t you deposit my money in the
bank? At least I could have gotten some interest on it.’
24 “Then, turning to the others standing nearby, the king ordered,
‘Take the money from this servant, and give it to the one who has ten
pounds.’
25 “‘But, master,’ they said, ‘he already has ten pounds!’
26 “‘Yes,’ the king replied, ‘and to those who use well what they are
given, even more will be given. But from those who do nothing, even what
little they have will be taken away.
27 And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their
king—bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.’”
28 After telling this story, Jesus went on toward Jerusalem,
I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 29, 7:11 am, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> habshi wrote:
> > If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
> I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
> other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
> for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
How do you explain these:
Why did Jesus ask for swords?
Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one
22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
On Apr 29, 7:11 am, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> habshi wrote:
> > If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
> I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
> other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
> for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
How do you explain these:
Why did Jesus ask for swords?
Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one
22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
uNmaiviLambi wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:11 am, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> habshi wrote:
>>> If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
>
>> I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
>> other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
>> for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords?
>
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
from The Geneva Study Bible:
* bible.crosswalk . com /Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=lu&chapter=022
"He says all this using an allegory, as if he said, "O my friends and
fellow soldiers, you have lived until now in relative peace: but now
there is at hand a most severe battle to be fought, and you must
therefore lay all other things aside and think about dressing yourselves
in armour." And what this armour is, is shown by his own example, when
he prayed afterward in the garden and reproved Peter for striking with
the sword."
>
> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
ACTS 3,23
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear
that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
- this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
uNmaiviLambi wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:11 am, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> habshi wrote:
>>> If Britain remains a xtian country then all non believers are
>
>> I think the words of the king in the parable make sense in the light of
>> other bible verses which warn of judgement to come, both after death and
>> for nations which abandon God and for the world when Jesus returns.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords?
>
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
from The Geneva Study Bible:
* bible.crosswalk . com /Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/gen.cgi?book=lu&chapter=022
"He says all this using an allegory, as if he said, "O my friends and
fellow soldiers, you have lived until now in relative peace: but now
there is at hand a most severe battle to be fought, and you must
therefore lay all other things aside and think about dressing yourselves
in armour." And what this armour is, is shown by his own example, when
he prayed afterward in the garden and reproved Peter for striking with
the sword."
>
> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
ACTS 3,23
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear
that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
- this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
rainandsnow wrote:
> uNmaiviLambi wrote:
>
>> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
>
> ACTS 3,23
>
> 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that
> prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
>
> - this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
I disagree. That form of words expresses intent - not simple future.
--
Mike
rainandsnow wrote:
> uNmaiviLambi wrote:
>
>> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
>
> ACTS 3,23
>
> 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that
> prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
>
> - this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
I disagree. That form of words expresses intent - not simple future.
--
Mike
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
Mike wrote:
> rainandsnow wrote:
>> uNmaiviLambi wrote:
>>
>>> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
>>
>> ACTS 3,23
>>
>> 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear
>> that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
>>
>> - this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
>
> I disagree. That form of words expresses intent - not simple future.
It could do, but if the verse is read in context
(w w w .biblegateway . com /passage/?search=Acts%203%20;&version=48;)
You will see that it was spoken by Peter who was quoting a prophecy by
Moses.
The prophecy is:
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, `A Prophet shall the Lord
your God raise up unto you from your brethren, like unto me; Him shall
ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that
Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.'
Peter seems to be saying that this was a prophecy of Jesus's coming and
that any one who will not hear his message will be destroyed - a grim
warning.
The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
Mike wrote:
> rainandsnow wrote:
>> uNmaiviLambi wrote:
>>
>>> What about Acts 3-23 openly asking for murder of those who oppose!
>>
>> ACTS 3,23
>>
>> 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear
>> that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
>>
>> - this sounds more like a prophecy to me.
>
> I disagree. That form of words expresses intent - not simple future.
It could do, but if the verse is read in context
(w w w .biblegateway . com /passage/?search=Acts%203%20;&version=48;)
You will see that it was spoken by Peter who was quoting a prophecy by
Moses.
The prophecy is:
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, `A Prophet shall the Lord
your God raise up unto you from your brethren, like unto me; Him shall
ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that
Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.'
Peter seems to be saying that this was a prophecy of Jesus's coming and
that any one who will not hear his message will be destroyed - a grim
warning.
The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
How do you explain these:
Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one
22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
How do you explain these:
Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
Luke:
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one
22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 29, 4:46 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike wrote:
> > The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> > listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
If they were for something other than self defence, he'd have wanted
all of them (including himself) to have swords; he wouldn't have said
two were enough.
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
On Apr 29, 4:46 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike wrote:
> > The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> > listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
If they were for something other than self defence, he'd have wanted
all of them (including himself) to have swords; he wouldn't have said
two were enough.
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike wrote:
> > The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> > listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
>
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
'Lection LXXVI
..
7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
...
Lection LXXVIII
..
7. Then came they and laid hands on Jesus. And Simon Peter
stretched forth his hand, and drew his sword and struck a
servant of the high priest's and smote off his ear.
8. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its
place; all they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.
And Jesus touched his ear and healed him.
9. And he said unto Peter, Thinkest thou that I cannot now
pray to my Parent, and He shall presently give me more than
twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be
fulfilled, that thus it must be?
...'
* reluctant-messenger . com /essene/gospel 8.htm
'..the Roman Catholic Church feared the True Humane Gospel of
Christ more than anything else in the world, because it revealed
the true nature of Jesus' Compassionate life style to all Creatures
and the true messages to be a Christian. Hence it should come
as no great surprise that such humane teachings were banished
in the first place, for there was simply no room for Law-Loving
people, who would not raise arms against their fellow man or any
creature of God, who would not vote in political parties, or
compromise true Kingdom loyalty and Sacred Documents, who
could not be ordered to steal others' goods, or to cheat someone
of their rightful inheritance, who could not be made to eat animal
flesh or drink blood even at the threat of losing their lives, who
could not be made or forced to compromise Pure Worship of the
only True God, and the keeping of the Holy Laws. Yes, the Early
Roman Church needed Flesh Eaters, who dulled their senses
with Flesh Eating and Strong Drink, to march in their Armies.
...'
* members.tripod . com /jbrooks2/Greatest Collosal Fraud On Earth.html
On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike wrote:
> > The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
> > listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
>
> Luke:
>
> 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
> take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him
> sell his garment, and buy one
>
> 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
> unto them, It is enough.
'Lection LXXVI
..
7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
...
Lection LXXVIII
..
7. Then came they and laid hands on Jesus. And Simon Peter
stretched forth his hand, and drew his sword and struck a
servant of the high priest's and smote off his ear.
8. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its
place; all they that take the sword shall perish by the sword.
And Jesus touched his ear and healed him.
9. And he said unto Peter, Thinkest thou that I cannot now
pray to my Parent, and He shall presently give me more than
twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be
fulfilled, that thus it must be?
...'
* reluctant-messenger . com /essene/gospel 8.htm
'..the Roman Catholic Church feared the True Humane Gospel of
Christ more than anything else in the world, because it revealed
the true nature of Jesus' Compassionate life style to all Creatures
and the true messages to be a Christian. Hence it should come
as no great surprise that such humane teachings were banished
in the first place, for there was simply no room for Law-Loving
people, who would not raise arms against their fellow man or any
creature of God, who would not vote in political parties, or
compromise true Kingdom loyalty and Sacred Documents, who
could not be ordered to steal others' goods, or to cheat someone
of their rightful inheritance, who could not be made to eat animal
flesh or drink blood even at the threat of losing their lives, who
could not be made or forced to compromise Pure Worship of the
only True God, and the keeping of the Holy Laws. Yes, the Early
Roman Church needed Flesh Eaters, who dulled their senses
with Flesh Eating and Strong Drink, to march in their Armies.
...'
* members.tripod . com /jbrooks2/Greatest Collosal Fraud On Earth.html
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 30, 5:26 am, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> 'Lection LXXVI
> ..
> 7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
> you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
> love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
> I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
> God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
> ...
Thank you Pearlji. Same problem. They should know there is a different
account of Jesus which is better than "God's word" as in standard
bibles!
On Apr 30, 5:26 am, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> 'Lection LXXVI
> ..
> 7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
> you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
> love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
> I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
> God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
> ...
Thank you Pearlji. Same problem. They should know there is a different
account of Jesus which is better than "God's word" as in standard
bibles!
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 30, 3:37 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 30, 5:26 am, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > 'Lection LXXVI
> > ..
> > 7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
> > you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
> > love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
> > I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
> > God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
> > ...
>
> Thank you Pearlji. Same problem. They should know there is a different
> account of Jesus which is better than "God's word" as in standard
> bibles!
Thanks again, Tripji. I'll sit back quietly awhile. Just to say that
if you
haven't yet looked at * w w w . es sene.org/Yahowshua or Paul.htm ,
now would be a very good time to do so as relevant issues are
covered..
*
On Apr 30, 3:37 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> On Apr 30, 5:26 am, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 12:46 am, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> > 'Lection LXXVI
> > ..
> > 7. I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
> > you, and give them light for their darkness and let the spirit of
> > love dwell within your hearts, and abound unto all. And again
> > I say unto you, Love one another, and all the creation of
> > God And when he had finished, they said, Blessed be God.
> > ...
>
> Thank you Pearlji. Same problem. They should know there is a different
> account of Jesus which is better than "God's word" as in standard
> bibles!
Thanks again, Tripji. I'll sit back quietly awhile. Just to say that
if you
haven't yet looked at * w w w . es sene.org/Yahowshua or Paul.htm ,
now would be a very good time to do so as relevant issues are
covered..
*
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
On Apr 30, 1:55 pm, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 3:37 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> Thanks again, Tripji. I'll sit back quietly awhile. Just to say that
> if you
> haven't yet looked at * w w w . es sene.org/Yahowshua or Paul.htm,
> now would be a very good time to do so as relevant issues are
> covered..
Thanks Pearlji, this is very interesting!
On Apr 30, 1:55 pm, pearl <lilw...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 3:37 pm, uNmaiviLambi <tripurant...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> Thanks again, Tripji. I'll sit back quietly awhile. Just to say that
> if you
> haven't yet looked at * w w w . es sene.org/Yahowshua or Paul.htm,
> now would be a very good time to do so as relevant issues are
> covered..
Thanks Pearlji, this is very interesting!
Re: Did Jesus say kill those who dont believe in me- Luke 19.27 ?
uNmaiviLambi wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>
>> The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
>> listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
Please see my previous response to this point - I quoted a guide which
suggests that Jesus was speaking figuratively - ie he did not mean real
physical swords.
uNmaiviLambi wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:09 pm, rainandsnow <therainands...@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>
>> The Bible has many warnings of what will happen to those who will not
>> listen to God - and many accounts of the punishments occurring.
>
> How do you explain these:
>
> Why did Jesus ask for swords? Are they for future?
Please see my previous response to this point - I quoted a guide which
suggests that Jesus was speaking figuratively - ie he did not mean real
physical swords.
