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why does God allow disease etc.

Reply from: David P.
Date: 07 May 2008, 09:41
why does God allow disease etc.

From: "Matthew Slyman" <ma...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: why does God allow disease etc.
Date: 1998/04/02
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon.fellowship

God for the most part lets nature run its course. This means; because
of the
existence of good germs, there might arise bad germs too.

Allowing them to arise...
In his compassion for us; God gives us instruction from the prophets
to help
the righteous avoid these things. For example, the Word of Wisdom,
Noah
being instructed in a dream to build the Ark, Lehi being instructed
likewise
to leave Jerusalem before it being sacked by the Babylonians...
In his compassion he also delegates His divine authority to us to deal
with
these things. This is called the "Priesthood". If it were not for all
these
illnesses and natural disasters, there would be little opportunity for
us to
use this tool which he has given to us; and we would not grow
spiritually.
If there were not trials and setbacks in this life, there would be
little
need for exercising faith in our God, and it would be no test.

We came to earth to:
(i) Be tested,
(ii) Gain physical bodies,
(iii) Grow spiritually through tests of character; and the inspiration
of
the Holy Ghost.

Those germs are there for our good. Sometimes they overcome us and
even kill
us, but this is only a temporary victory for "Death" - our families
can be
reunited and our bodies will be resurrected without corruption. It is
to
serve our longer term good that He allows these things to happen to
us.

When we go camping in the hills with virtually nothing but ourselves,
a
tent, the sky above us; and then we come home again, we really
appreciate a
nice warm bed, shower, house...
Without the illness; we could never appreciate the blessing of good
health.
Without sadness and pain, ignorance and darkness; there is not
happiness and
comfort, knowledge and light. (See also 2 Nephi 2:)

Eventually the earth will be perfected and there will be no more
disease and
suffering, earthquakes or hurricanes; it will become as heaven. We
should
act as stewards over what God has blessed us with, and He will give us
stewardship in that heaven.

Matthew Slyman
.
.
--

Reply from: beelzibub
Date: 08 May 2008, 03:38
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

(David P.) wrote:
> From: "Matthew Slyman" <ma...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: why does God allow disease etc.
> Date: 1998/04/02
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon.fellowship
>
> God for the most part lets nature run its course. This means; because
> of the
> existence of good germs, there might arise bad germs too.
>
> Allowing them to arise...
> In his compassion for us; God gives us instruction from the prophets
> to help
> the righteous avoid these things. For example, the Word of Wisdom,
> Noah
> being instructed in a dream to build the Ark, Lehi being instructed
> likewise
> to leave Jerusalem before it being sacked by the Babylonians...
> In his compassion he also delegates His divine authority to us to deal
> with
> these things. This is called the "Priesthood". If it were not for all
> these
> illnesses and natural disasters, there would be little opportunity for
> us to
> use this tool which he has given to us; and we would not grow
> spiritually.
> If there were not trials and setbacks in this life, there would be
> little
> need for exercising faith in our God, and it would be no test.
>
> We came to earth to:
> (i) Be tested,
> (ii) Gain physical bodies,
> (iii) Grow spiritually through tests of character; and the inspiration
> of
> the Holy Ghost.
>
> Those germs are there for our good. Sometimes they overcome us and
> even kill
> us, but this is only a temporary victory for "Death" - our families
> can be
> reunited and our bodies will be resurrected without corruption. It is
> to
> serve our longer term good that He allows these things to happen to
> us.
>
> When we go camping in the hills with virtually nothing but ourselves,
> a
> tent, the sky above us; and then we come home again, we really
> appreciate a
> nice warm bed, shower, house...
> Without the illness; we could never appreciate the blessing of good
> health.
> Without sadness and pain, ignorance and darkness; there is not
> happiness and
> comfort, knowledge and light. (See also 2 Nephi 2:)
>
> Eventually the earth will be perfected and there will be no more
> disease and
> suffering, earthquakes or hurricanes; it will become as heaven. We
> should
> act as stewards over what God has blessed us with, and He will give us
> stewardship in that heaven.
>
... eye don't really know but i think it was something you did

b
ps;
were you born ass first?

Reply from: habshi
Date: 08 May 2008, 11:13
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

Because he doesnt exist

Reply from: Ken Johnson
Date: 10 May 2008, 05:59
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On 7 May, 09:41, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:

> We came to earth to:
> (i) Be tested,
> (ii) Gain physical bodies,
> (iii) Grow spiritually through tests of character; and the
> inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

(iv) carry a dildo and a bottle of baby oil and hang out with boys

Ken Johnson

p.s. What is it that drives Christians to post this sort of tripe?

Reply from: euclid
Date: 10 May 2008, 15:10
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On May 9, 11:59 pm, Ken Johnson <k.r.john...@excite,com > wrote:

> p.s. What is it that drives Christians to post this sort of tripe?

Demonic possession.

euclid
Truly




Reply from: Les Cargill
Date: 10 May 2008, 19:32
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

euclid wrote:
> On May 9, 11:59 pm, Ken Johnson <k.r.john...@excite,com > wrote:
>
>> p.s. What is it that drives Christians to post this sort of tripe?
>
> Demonic possession.
>
> euclid
> Truly
>
>
>

That's okay. Pagans are driven by eudaemonic possession.

--
Les Cargill

Reply from: beelzibub
Date: 10 May 2008, 20:23
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

Les Cargill wrote:
> euclid wrote:
>> On May 9, 11:59 pm, Ken Johnson <k.r.john...@excite,com > wrote:
>>
>>> p.s. What is it that drives Christians to post this sort of tripe?

... a keyboard and a lot of free time

b

Reply from: David P.
Date: 12 May 2008, 20:06
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

Clutch Cargo <ccargo@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> euclidean geometer wrote:
> > Ken-Jo <ken-jo@excite,com > wrote:
>
> >> What drives Xtians to post this tripe?
>
> > Demonic possession.
>
> That's ok. Pagans drive by eudaemonic possession.

There Is No Death

There is no death. The stars go down
To rise upon another shore,
And bright in heaven's jeweled crown
They shine forevermore.

There is no death. The forest leaves
Convert to life the viewless air;
The rocks disorganize to feed
The hungry moss they bear.

There is no death. The dust we tread
Shall change beneath the summer showers
To golden grain or mellow fruit,
Or rainbow tinted flowers.

There is no death. The leaves may fall,
The flowers may fade and pass away--
They only wait through wintry hours
The warm, sweet breath of May.

There is no death, although we grieve
When beautiful familiar forms
That we have learned to love are torn
From our embracing arms.

Although with bowed and breaking heart.
With sable garb and silent tread,
We bear their senseless dust to rest,
And say that they are dead--

They are not dead. They have but passed
Beyond the mists that blind us here,
Into the new and larger life
Of that serener sphere.

They have but dropped their robe of clay
To put a shining raiment on;
They have not wandered far away,
They are not "lost" or "gone."

Though unseen to the mortal eye,
They still are here and love us yet;
The dear ones they have left behind
They never do forget.

Sometimes upon our fevered brow
We feel their touch, a breath of balm:
Our spirit sees them, and our hearts
Grow comforted and calm.

Yes, ever near us, though unseen,
Our dear, immortal spirits tread--
For all God's boundless Universe
Is Life--there are no dead.

-- John McCreery
.
.
--

Reply from: ironjustice
Date: 12 May 2008, 21:02
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On May 12, 11:06 am, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote: There
Is No Death <<

???

Most everyone has witnessed this ..

This is wrong ..

Death .. happens .. in .. I might add .. varying degrees of ..
violence.

Quite the poem ..

Are you a .. mystic .. ?

Is that what it's supposed to mean .. ?

Give us a bit of your background ..

Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk

> Clutch Cargo <cca...@cfl.rr,com > wrote:
> > euclidean geometer wrote:
> > > Ken-Jo <ken...@excite,com > wrote:
>
> > >> What drives Xtians to post this tripe?
>
> > > Demonic possession.
>
> > That's ok. Pagans drive by eudaemonic possession.
>
> There Is No Death
>
> There is no death. The stars go down
>    To rise upon another shore,
> And bright in heaven's jeweled crown
>    They shine forevermore.
>
> There is no death. The forest leaves
>    Convert to life the viewless air;
> The rocks disorganize to feed
>    The hungry moss they bear.
>
> There is no death. The dust we tread
>    Shall change beneath the summer showers
> To golden grain or mellow fruit,
>    Or rainbow tinted flowers.
>
> There is no death. The leaves may fall,
>    The flowers may fade and pass away--
> They only wait through wintry hours
>    The warm, sweet breath of May.
>
> There is no death, although we grieve
>    When beautiful familiar forms
> That we have learned to love are torn
>    From our embracing arms.
>
> Although with bowed and breaking heart.
>    With sable garb and silent tread,
> We bear their senseless dust to rest,
>    And say that they are dead--
>
> They are not dead. They have but passed
>    Beyond the mists that blind us here,
> Into the new and larger life
>    Of that serener sphere.
>
> They have but dropped their robe of clay
>    To put a shining raiment on;
> They have not wandered far away,
>    They are not "lost" or "gone."
>
> Though unseen to the mortal eye,
>    They still are here and love us yet;
> The dear ones they have left behind
>    They never do forget.
>
> Sometimes upon our fevered brow
>    We feel their touch, a breath of balm:
> Our spirit sees them, and our hearts
>    Grow comforted and calm.
>
> Yes, ever near us, though unseen,
>    Our dear, immortal spirits tread--
> For all God's boundless Universe
>    Is Life--there are no dead.
>
>  -- John McCreery
> .
> .
> --


Reply from: euclid
Date: 13 May 2008, 13:55
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On May 12, 2:06 pm, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:

> There is no death. The stars go down
>    To rise upon another shore,
> And bright in heaven's jeweled crown
>    They shine forevermore.

Until they go supernova and leave a blackhole in their place.

euclid
Does it help to think of a blackhole as a zombie star?

Reply from: mariposas rand mair fheal
Date: 13 May 2008, 16:47
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

In article <c56bec0e-2de7-4748-9ce7-d1ce1cd103ba@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
euclid <euclid14@mailandnews,com > wrote:

> On May 12, 2:06 pm, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> > There is no death. The stars go down
> >    To rise upon another shore,
> > And bright in heaven's jeweled crown
> >    They shine forevermore.
>
> Until they go supernova and leave a blackhole in their place.

only for massive stars
main sequence starts like ours usually become white dwarfs

> Does it help to think of a blackhole as a zombie star?

sucking brains out of the universe

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple

Reply from: ironjustice
Date: 12 May 2008, 20:56
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On May 7, 12:41 am, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:why
does God allow disease <<

What would be your .. move.

In HIs .. place.

As an analogy.

WHAT would YOU .. do .. ?


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk



> From: "Matthew Slyman" <ma...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: why does God allow disease etc.
> Date: 1998/04/02
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon.fellowship
>
> God for the most part lets nature run its course. This means; because
> of the
> existence of good germs, there might arise bad germs too.
>
> Allowing them to arise...
> In his compassion for us; God gives us instruction from the prophets
> to help
> the righteous avoid these things. For example, the Word of Wisdom,
> Noah
> being instructed in a dream to build the Ark, Lehi being instructed
> likewise
> to leave Jerusalem before it being sacked by the Babylonians...
> In his compassion he also delegates His divine authority to us to deal
> with
> these things. This is called the "Priesthood". If it were not for all
> these
> illnesses and natural disasters, there would be little opportunity for
> us to
> use this tool which he has given to us; and we would not grow
> spiritually.
> If there were not trials and setbacks in this life, there would be
> little
> need for exercising faith in our God, and it would be no test.
>
> We came to earth to:
> (i) Be tested,
> (ii) Gain physical bodies,
> (iii) Grow spiritually through tests of character; and the inspiration
> of
> the Holy Ghost.
>
> Those germs are there for our good. Sometimes they overcome us and
> even kill
> us, but this is only a temporary victory for "Death" - our families
> can be
> reunited and our bodies will be resurrected without corruption. It is
> to
> serve our longer term good that He allows these things to happen to
> us.
>
> When we go camping in the hills with virtually nothing but ourselves,
> a
> tent, the sky above us; and then we come home again, we really
> appreciate a
> nice warm bed, shower, house...
> Without the illness; we could never appreciate the blessing of good
> health.
> Without sadness and pain, ignorance and darkness; there is not
> happiness and
> comfort, knowledge and light. (See also 2 Nephi 2:)
>
> Eventually the earth will be perfected and there will be no more
> disease and
> suffering, earthquakes or hurricanes; it will become as heaven. We
> should
> act as stewards over what God has blessed us with, and He will give us
> stewardship in that heaven.
>
> Matthew Slyman
> .
> .
> --


Reply from: David P.
Date: 13 May 2008, 01:48
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> > why does God allow disease <<
>
> What would be your .. move.
> In HIs .. place.
> As an analogy.
> WHAT would YOU .. do .. ?

He allows disease because the big picture
*AIN'T* JUST US , RIGHT NOW ! There are
FUTURE GENERATIONS in the picture, too!
.
.
--

Reply from: ironjustice
Date: 13 May 2008, 06:29
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

On May 12, 4:48 pm, "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:He
allows disease because the big picture
*AIN'T* JUST US , RIGHT NOW ! There are
FUTURE GENERATIONS in the picture, too! <<

So it's population control ..?


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk



> ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> > > why does God allow disease <<
>
> > What would be your .. move.
> > In HIs .. place.
> > As an analogy.
> > WHAT would YOU .. do .. ?
>
> He allows disease because the big picture
> *AIN'T* JUST US , RIGHT NOW !  There are
> FUTURE GENERATIONS in the picture, too!
> .
> .
> --


Reply from: David P.
Date: 13 May 2008, 07:14
Re: why does God allow disease etc.

ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> "(David P.)" <imb...@mindspring,com > wrote:
>
> > He allows disease because the big picture
> > *AIN'T* JUST US , RIGHT NOW ! There are
> > FUTURE GENERATIONS in the picture, too!
>
> So it's population control ..?

Limited longevity ..?
.
.
--


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