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Who Should Die In Pandemic?
Evidence of denial.
These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
going to BE dying .. "first" ..
Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
or green .. alerts .. ?
-----------------------------------
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic?
Provided by: Associated Press
Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
May. 5, 2008
CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
be deciding who to let die.
Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
"so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu
or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
writer of the task force report.
The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
objective way, task force members said.
Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
Physicians.
"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike
task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
much more specific, and include:
-People older than 85.
-Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
car crashes and shootings.
-Severely burned patients older than 60.
-Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
Alzheimer's disease.
-Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
called the report an important initiative but also "a political
minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
here."
James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
suggestions.
He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most
detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
said.
Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
everyone."
That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
Evidence of denial.
These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
going to BE dying .. "first" ..
Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
or green .. alerts .. ?
-----------------------------------
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic?
Provided by: Associated Press
Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
May. 5, 2008
CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
be deciding who to let die.
Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
burned patients and those with severe dementia.
The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
Health and Human Services.
The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
"so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu
or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
writer of the task force report.
The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
objective way, task force members said.
Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
Physicians.
"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike
task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
much more specific, and include:
-People older than 85.
-Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
car crashes and shootings.
-Severely burned patients older than 60.
-Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
Alzheimer's disease.
-Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
called the report an important initiative but also "a political
minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
here."
James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
suggestions.
He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most
detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
said.
Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
everyone."
That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
"You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> Evidence of denial.
> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
and die by the thousands?
Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
school.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> Evidence of denial.
> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
and die by the thousands?
Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
school.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
In message <0e60bba0-6b16-4608-988a-cc4cbb5b0951@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups,com >, drceephd@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> Evidence of denial.
>> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
That, or maybe they accept that as part of the job.
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
So -- caregivers (not just MDs, note -- nurses, aids, EMTs, etc.
too) will be early casualties. Don't expect that because you'd
be hiding in a closet everyone else will. Me, I'll be doing my
share of the supportive care. Never enough help, after all.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
In message <0e60bba0-6b16-4608-988a-cc4cbb5b0951@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups,com >, drceephd@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> Evidence of denial.
>> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
That, or maybe they accept that as part of the job.
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
So -- caregivers (not just MDs, note -- nurses, aids, EMTs, etc.
too) will be early casualties. Don't expect that because you'd
be hiding in a closet everyone else will. Me, I'll be doing my
share of the supportive care. Never enough help, after all.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 8, 7:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <0e60bba0-6b16-4608-988a-cc4cbb5b0...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
I suspect old ironinjustice wants to be the triage officer for the
pandemic victims.
On May 8, 7:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <0e60bba0-6b16-4608-988a-cc4cbb5b0...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
I suspect old ironinjustice wants to be the triage officer for the
pandemic victims.
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>
> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
Sessions, this crap is at best a guess and at worse just a blatant
lie.
The information from the doctors practicing vitalistic/humanistic
medicine at the time would laugh their butts off at your false and
ridiculous statements. The Orthopaths of the day did not become ill,
and they lost not one of their patients to the flu. Only the
allopaths and their mercury pills killed the patients in vast numbers
and sometimes very quickly, like within 24 hours.
Your supposed information would confuse and kill millions of dumb
sheeple.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>
> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
Sessions, this crap is at best a guess and at worse just a blatant
lie.
The information from the doctors practicing vitalistic/humanistic
medicine at the time would laugh their butts off at your false and
ridiculous statements. The Orthopaths of the day did not become ill,
and they lost not one of their patients to the flu. Only the
allopaths and their mercury pills killed the patients in vast numbers
and sometimes very quickly, like within 24 hours.
Your supposed information would confuse and kill millions of dumb
sheeple.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>
> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
Dang, I thought I had rebutted this crap. However, I see that while I
am reading this on misc.health.alternative any answer will go to
sci.med. You pharma shills are just too, too, imaginative.
The above response is ludicrous. It is not based upon any scientific
evidence at all. To think that the flu "caused the body to attack
itself" is laughable.
Consider that the vitalistic/humanistic doctors of the day, yes there
were still many of them still practicing in 1918, did not lose even
one patient to the "flu" while the allopaths killed their patients by
the thousands with mercury and other treatments.
There is no limit to the lies and deciet of the medical monopoly and
the pharma shills on this site.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>
> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
Dang, I thought I had rebutted this crap. However, I see that while I
am reading this on misc.health.alternative any answer will go to
sci.med. You pharma shills are just too, too, imaginative.
The above response is ludicrous. It is not based upon any scientific
evidence at all. To think that the flu "caused the body to attack
itself" is laughable.
Consider that the vitalistic/humanistic doctors of the day, yes there
were still many of them still practicing in 1918, did not lose even
one patient to the "flu" while the allopaths killed their patients by
the thousands with mercury and other treatments.
There is no limit to the lies and deciet of the medical monopoly and
the pharma shills on this site.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
In message <eee60977-fb4f-49e8-a155-ee836b74f568@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups,com >, drceephd@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
>> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
>> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
>> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
> Dang, I thought I had rebutted this crap. However, I see that while I
> am reading this on misc.health.alternative any answer will go to
> sci.med. You pharma shills are just too, too, imaginative.
>
> The above response is ludicrous. It is not based upon any scientific
> evidence at all.
Aside from the mechanisms of immune response to some antigens, which
result in pulmonary edema and are more severe in those with hair-trigger
immune systems, with the whole process identified down to the molecular
level and validated in animal challenges, maybe not.
> To think that the flu "caused the body to attack
> itself" is laughable.
I'm glad that you find it amusing.
> Consider that the vitalistic/humanistic doctors of the day, yes there
> were still many of them still practicing in 1918, did not lose even
> one patient to the "flu" while the allopaths killed their patients by
> the thousands with mercury and other treatments.
Your contention was that all of the deaths were iatrogenic, so of
course not treating them would follow that they would have no deaths.
However, you haven't specified what part of the 1918 treatment for
influenza was responsible for those deaths. How can we be sure that
the naturopaths weren't doing the same things?
> There is no limit to the lies and deciet of the medical monopoly and
> the pharma shills on this site.
When you point your finger at someone else, at least three point back
at you.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
In message <eee60977-fb4f-49e8-a155-ee836b74f568@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups,com >, drceephd@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 10:54 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
>> Perfectly logical, with the proviso that those in poorer health
>> to begin with are likely to have a worse time of it. There are
>> exceptions, as in 1918, however -- those in the *best* health
>> were hit hardest since the flu caused the body to "attack" itself.
>
> Dang, I thought I had rebutted this crap. However, I see that while I
> am reading this on misc.health.alternative any answer will go to
> sci.med. You pharma shills are just too, too, imaginative.
>
> The above response is ludicrous. It is not based upon any scientific
> evidence at all.
Aside from the mechanisms of immune response to some antigens, which
result in pulmonary edema and are more severe in those with hair-trigger
immune systems, with the whole process identified down to the molecular
level and validated in animal challenges, maybe not.
> To think that the flu "caused the body to attack
> itself" is laughable.
I'm glad that you find it amusing.
> Consider that the vitalistic/humanistic doctors of the day, yes there
> were still many of them still practicing in 1918, did not lose even
> one patient to the "flu" while the allopaths killed their patients by
> the thousands with mercury and other treatments.
Your contention was that all of the deaths were iatrogenic, so of
course not treating them would follow that they would have no deaths.
However, you haven't specified what part of the 1918 treatment for
influenza was responsible for those deaths. How can we be sure that
the naturopaths weren't doing the same things?
> There is no limit to the lies and deciet of the medical monopoly and
> the pharma shills on this site.
When you point your finger at someone else, at least three point back
at you.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Evidence of denial.
> > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
>
> Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> school.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
Death",
if you recall the paintings from the period.
This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
your time? ;-)
Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.
On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Evidence of denial.
> > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> and die by the thousands?
>
> Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> school.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
Death",
if you recall the paintings from the period.
This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
your time? ;-)
Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc4bf@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com >, trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc4bf@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com >, trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
--
| Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 9, 5:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
I hope you realize that my comment had a tongue in cheek aspect?
And yes it will be basic infection precautions as the Doctors and
Medical
field to often seem to lack imagine to do more. Especially in
the field of infection control.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
On May 9, 5:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
I hope you realize that my comment had a tongue in cheek aspect?
And yes it will be basic infection precautions as the Doctors and
Medical
field to often seem to lack imagine to do more. Especially in
the field of infection control.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
As mentioned up this thread, medical people are
certainly on the front line if we get a pandemic,
but I think this thread misses the central point.
Namely, someone has to do triage. They have to
do it consistently according to certain standards
and rules. ...*What are* those standards and rules,
and how do they get to be that and not something
else? *Who chooses*? ??
Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.med 2008 May 09]
<trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:bec836dd-761a-4e65-9bd9-ed882b430a7c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
On May 9, 5:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message
> <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com >,
> trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special
> > mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
I hope you realize that my comment had a tongue in cheek aspect?
And yes it will be basic infection precautions as the Doctors and
Medical
field to often seem to lack imagine to do more. Especially in
the field of infection control.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
As mentioned up this thread, medical people are
certainly on the front line if we get a pandemic,
but I think this thread misses the central point.
Namely, someone has to do triage. They have to
do it consistently according to certain standards
and rules. ...*What are* those standards and rules,
and how do they get to be that and not something
else? *Who chooses*? ??
Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.med 2008 May 09]
<trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote in message
news:bec836dd-761a-4e65-9bd9-ed882b430a7c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups,com ...
On May 9, 5:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message
> <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups,com >,
> trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special
> > mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
I hope you realize that my comment had a tongue in cheek aspect?
And yes it will be basic infection precautions as the Doctors and
Medical
field to often seem to lack imagine to do more. Especially in
the field of infection control.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 9, 8:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
Well, they are somewhat. Since they're a lot of the people
who design computers with paid christmas vacation, rather
than innner city hospitals.
And also the people who make robots, rather than
air-conditioned triage centers.
And also the people who make PV cells, rather than
lackey's from Boston General.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
On May 9, 8:35 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel,com > wrote:
> In message <2b1e002b-8e4e-4bdf-85db-42862dcdc...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
>
> Basic infection precautions, of course. However, in a saturation
> situation there are bound to be slips. Add that in a pandemic
> the caregivers will be in close contact with *each* *other* and
> there's no way to maintain isolation for long.
>
> So? Caregivers get sick, too. That's part of the "limited
> resources" aspect to any pandemic. People who make a big
> production out of the fact that caregivers aren't somehow
> immune from what's going around are revealing rather a bit.
Well, they are somewhat. Since they're a lot of the people
who design computers with paid christmas vacation, rather
than innner city hospitals.
And also the people who make robots, rather than
air-conditioned triage centers.
And also the people who make PV cells, rather than
lackey's from Boston General.
>
> --
> | Shit happens. Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel,com > ---+
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
special mask <<
If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
this ..
Contact me I will explain it to you ..
You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
offered or at anywhere near the expense.
It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
mask.
It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
intake of volatiles from the product.
It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
What do you guys think ..
Will it take .. off .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Evidence of denial.
> > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > and die by the thousands?
>
> > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > school.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
> if you recall the paintings from the period.
> This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> your time? ;-)
> Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
special mask <<
If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
this ..
Contact me I will explain it to you ..
You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
offered or at anywhere near the expense.
It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
mask.
It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
intake of volatiles from the product.
It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
What do you guys think ..
Will it take .. off .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > Evidence of denial.
> > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > and die by the thousands?
>
> > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > school.
>
> > DrCee
> > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> Death",
> if you recall the paintings from the period.
> This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> your time? ;-)
> Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> special mask <<
>
> If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> this ..
>
> Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> mask.
Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
> It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
> I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> What do you guys think ..
We want to select the test subjects.
>
> Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > school.
>
> > > DrCee
> > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
> > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > your time? ;-)
> > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> special mask <<
>
> If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> this ..
>
> Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> mask.
Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
> It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
> I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> What do you guys think ..
We want to select the test subjects.
>
> Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > school.
>
> > > DrCee
> > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > Death",
> > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > your time? ;-)
> > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?
On May 10, 11:32 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:Have you applied for a patent on
your invention?<<
The process is so simple that the only way I think I migtht be able to
patent it is maybe going the route of patenting the process of HOW to
do it .. as in "must hold arm at certain angle and must look up and
away to the left during a windy .. day .." .. and WHEN you
DO .. do .. 'that' .. you MUST legally send me some .. cash ..
Ah .. hell ..
You peel an orange ..
You squeeze the juice onto your mask.
You put your mask on as you get ready to leave {this gives the juice
time to vaporize in the lung] creating a vaporized volatile
**barrier** between the surface of the lung plus you get the physical
barrier of the mask itself permeated with triterpenoids with virucidal
properties.
Pretty simple and theoretically very effective ..
Would work with a hankerchief or sock in a pinch.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> > special mask <<
>
> > If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> > this ..
>
> > Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> > You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> > offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> > It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> > mask.
>
> Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
> And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
> Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
>
>
> > It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> > intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> > It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
>
> Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
>
>
> > I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> > What do you guys think ..
>
> We want to select the test subjects.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > > school.
>
> > > > DrCee
> > > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > > Death",
> > > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > > your time? ;-)
> > > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On May 10, 11:32 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:Have you applied for a patent on
your invention?<<
The process is so simple that the only way I think I migtht be able to
patent it is maybe going the route of patenting the process of HOW to
do it .. as in "must hold arm at certain angle and must look up and
away to the left during a windy .. day .." .. and WHEN you
DO .. do .. 'that' .. you MUST legally send me some .. cash ..
Ah .. hell ..
You peel an orange ..
You squeeze the juice onto your mask.
You put your mask on as you get ready to leave {this gives the juice
time to vaporize in the lung] creating a vaporized volatile
**barrier** between the surface of the lung plus you get the physical
barrier of the mask itself permeated with triterpenoids with virucidal
properties.
Pretty simple and theoretically very effective ..
Would work with a hankerchief or sock in a pinch.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On May 10, 6:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 3:11 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:perhaps the Docs will have a
>
> > special mask <<
>
> > If anyone is interested .. I've designed a special spray .. just for
> > this ..
>
> > Contact me I will explain it to you ..
>
> > You do have to wear a mask though but not the cumbersome mask that is
> > offered or at anywhere near the expense.
> > It uses any common everyday dust mask and the spray is applied to the
> > mask.
>
> Have you applied for a patent on your invention?
> And maybe you have a Nobel prize in your future.
> Assuming it doesn't kill the person wearing it.
>
>
>
> > It kills any virus it comes in contact with and also allows for the
> > intake of volatiles from the product.
>
> > It is based on the principle of flowers and the black plague.
>
> Yeah, you caught my reference. Good for you.
>
>
>
> > I have not tested it but in theory it works ..
>
> > What do you guys think ..
>
> We want to select the test subjects.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will it take .. off .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On May 8, 2:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb,com wrote:
>
> > > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > Evidence of denial.
> > > > > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
>
> > > > If the dogma of the medical cartel is truthful, the first to die will
> > > > be the docs. The docs will be the ones exposed to case after case for
> > > > many hours a day and many days in a row. Is it not logical that they
> > > > will contract the disease the most? Why should a citizen exposed to
> > > > one or two people a week or a month become ill before the docs succomb
> > > > and die by the thousands?
>
> > > > Question. Does the conferring of the medical degree, MD, confer the
> > > > immunity to any and every disease? If it does, sign me up for med
> > > > school.
>
> > > > DrCee
> > > > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
>
> > > Depending on the lead time, perhaps the Docs will have a special mask,
> > > gloves, and overgarment to protect themselves from the contagion.
> > > Something like what they tried to back in the day for the "Black
> > > Death",
> > > if you recall the paintings from the period.
> > > This time it might even work;-) Perhaps the "Black Death" was after
> > > your time? ;-)
> > > Given you haven't apparently heard of viruses and other pathogens.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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