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How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
have 1 square, will that do me any good?
Thanks.
Steve
How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
have 1 square, will that do me any good?
Thanks.
Steve
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:How much chocolate do
you need to eat per day to get the benefits? <<
It depends on the chocolate and how it was processed and it seems just
looking at whether it is dark or not doesn't .. completely .. cover
the ABILITY of the chocolate to 'do its stuff'.
http :// www .sciencenews.org/articles/20060225/food.asp
Prescription Strength Chocolate, Revisited
Janet Raloff
For roughly a decade, science-savvy chocolate consumers have taken
comfort from a string of studies suggesting that their sweet and
usually high-fat vice has a potential up side. The most reassuring
news was that the antioxidant flavonoids abundant in dark chocolate
appear to reduce blood pressure and perhaps protect people from
dangerous blood clots.
Raw cocoa beans, shown here nestled in their pods, contain huge
amounts of heart-healthy flavanols. Commercially processing the beans
to make cocoa powder strips away most of those compounds. Mars,
however, determined how to retain them to make flavanol-rich cocoa for
research trials--and for what it's now marketing as a heart-healthy
snack.
USDA
At the Cocoa Symposium, convened at the National Academy of Sciences
in Washington, D.C., earlier this month, researchers reported new
findings on chocolate's biological impacts. The studies focus on
specific flavonoids in chocolate, such as epicatechin, that offer the
strongest cardiovascular benefits. The bad news: Most commercial
products--even dark chocolates--retain few if any of these natural,
plant-based chemicals.
However, the new data do suggest how chocolatiers might tailor their
candy recipes to preserve--and potentially even augment--concentrations
of beneficial flavonoids. The new studies also might provide some
reasons that diets rich in fruits and vegetables are good for people's
hearts.
"Cocoa is a fruit," notes chemist Harold H. Schmitz, chief science
officer for Mars Inc., the world's largest chocolate manufacturer.
Those flavonoids in cocoa that appear to confer the strongest
cardiovascular benefits are found in plenty of other dietary sources
as well, including tea and apples. Indeed, he says, any of these plant
products might yield bioactive compounds that could fight heart
disease.
Debunking cocoa myths
At the Cocoa Symposium, researchers presented data to shatter a pair
of longstanding "myths," Schmitz observes. The first is that the heart-
healthy components of cocoa are antioxidants that quash naturally
destructive molecular fragments in the body. The second misperception
is that a person can get cocoa's heart-protecting constituents simply
by downing nearly any off-the-shelf dark chocolate.
Early work by scientists at Mars and elsewhere fostered both
perceptions, Schmitz admits. For instance, studies had traced at least
some cardiovascular benefits to a class of flavonoids known as
flavanols and their polymers called procyanidins (SN: 3/18/00, p.
188). Key among the chocolate flavanols linked to heart benefits was
epicatechin, a known antioxidant. Dark chocolates--including those that
are the main ingredients in Mars' Dove Dark bar and the mini M&M
baking bits--were identified as being rich in these constituents.
However, University of California researchers Hagen Schroeter and
Christian Heiss presented data at the symposium indicating that at
least some of the flavanols' benefits trace to functions other than
fighting oxidation. For instance, standard commercially processed
cocoa powder has little or no flavanol content, but it retains a high
concentration of other antioxidants. This cocoa offered almost no
cardiovascular benefits in tests with isolated tissues or people
consuming the cocoa.
Moreover, notes Schroeter, even in people consuming flavanol-rich
cocoa products, "most of the flavanols present in [blood] have been
altered by the body following consumption and are known to have even
less antioxidant potential than their parent [compounds]."
Schroeter's group teamed up with Norman K. Hollenberg, Schmitz, and
others to look at how cocoa's epicatechin works. At the meeting,
Hollenberg described finding that this flavanol and its breakdown
products enhance production of nitric oxide (NO). In the body, NO
dilates blood vessels, relaxes arteries, and enhances blood flow.
In one trial, the researchers administered cocoa drinks to 10 people
and monitored the effects on blood flow. On one occasion, each person
got a cocoa drink that was virtually devoid of flavanols. Another
time, each volunteer drank a cocoa that tasted the same but was rich
in these flavanols. Neither the participants nor the people taking the
blood-flow readings knew which cocoa had been administered.
Only the flavanol-rich drink produced substantial blood-flow benefits,
the researchers report in the Jan. 24 Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences (PNAS). The fact that the benefits, which lasted
several hours, were prevented by administering a drug that shuts down
NO production "unambiguously showed that cocoa flavanols turned on NO
synthesis and improved blood flow," Schmitz says.
He adds that the study exposes the fallacy of judging chocolate's
flavanol content by measuring its cocoa-solids content. Both drinks
administered in this trial were prepared with the same share of cocoa
solids, Schmitz points out.
Lessons from the Kuna
In the PNAS paper and at the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reviewed data
he's gleaned from studying two genetically similar populations of Kuna
Indians, people renowned for their cocoa consumption. One group of the
Kuna lives on the San Blas islands off Panama. The other consists of
migrants residing on the mainland in Panama City.
In earlier work, Hollenberg reported that the island-dwelling Kuna had
significantly lower blood pressure than their mainland kin did (SN:
3/2/02, p. 142: Available to subscribers at
http :// www .sciencenews.org/articles/20020302/note17.asp). One
difference between the populations: The islanders drank an average of
5 cups of cocoa daily, but the mainland group downed fewer than 4 cups
per week.
Schmitz notes that the two populations also drank different cocoas.
Traditionally, island-dwelling Kuna take fresh-picked cocoa beans and
dry them under the sun. Then, they grind the beans into a powder for
use in foods and drinks. "Effectively," he says, "they're consuming
about as close to fresh cocoa as one can get." By contrast, the
islanders' mainland kin now tend to drink commercial cocoas that have
been as heavily processed as U.S. cocoas. The products also retain as
little of the starting flavanols as most U.S. products do.
Hollenberg's follow-up work, reported in the PNAS paper, confirms that
the islanders also have far larger exposures to cocoa flavanols. Tests
showed that flavanol-residue concentrations in urine were six times as
high in the islanders as in the mainlanders.
At the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reported that dramatic long-term
benefits may be attributable to the islanders' cocoa habit: Their
death rate from heart disease is less than 8 percent of that in Kuna
mainlanders, and cancer kills only 16 percent as many islanders. The
two populations were matched for age, weight, and a number of other
factors that might affect heart and cancer risks.
Hollenberg concludes that the Kuna epidemiological data, although
preliminary, "indicate that a flavanol-rich diet may provide an
extraordinary benefit in the reduction of the two deadliest diseases
in today's world."
Toward healthier chocolates . . . and spin-offs
Schmitz acknowledges that "Mars, like every other chocolate business,
tends to use cocoa that has been processed in the standard industry
way." The result is that most of its products end up virtually devoid
of flavanols.
Like its competitors, Mars doesn't want to tinker greatly with the
recipes of its popular products. However, for much of the past decade,
the company has been seeking to create a snack that would not only
taste good--which pure cocoa does not--but also would pack a healthy
wallop of epicatechin and related compounds. The company has recently
begun marketing a relatively low-calorie, high-flavanol candy bar
using a specially processed starting ingredient called CocoaPro.
In the August 2005 Journal of Hypertension, Hollenberg and Naomi D.L.
Fisher of Brigham and Women's Hospital describe the flavanol content
of various chocolate products. CocoaPro powder topped the list, with
nearly 5,000 milligrams of flavanols per 100 grams of cocoa. The Kuna
islander's cocoa beans contained nearly 4,000 mg/100 g, and their
cocoa powder had 2,000 mg/100 g. "In stark contrast," the researchers
observe, "all of the commercially available cocoa powders or chocolate
drinks that can be purchased in American supermarkets have flavonoid
contents substantially less than 5 percent of [CocoaPro's]."
Not so fast, argue Jonathan M. Hodgson and Ian B. Puddey of the
University of Western Australia School of Medicine and Pharmacology.
In an editorial appearing in the same Journal of Hypertension issue,
they agree with Hollenberg and Fisher that a growing body of work
supports the idea that diets rich in flavonoids benefit the heart.
However, the Australian team adds, "The method still widely used to
quantify flavonoids is crude and provides no information about the
[specific] type of flavonoids present." Moreover, they note, not all
flavonoids are readily absorbed by the body. Finally, they point out
that no study has yet evaluated whether increasing flavonoids in study
volunteers' diets--from chocolate, tea, wine, or any other products--
will cut that population's heart-disease incidence.
Schmitz agrees that there's still a lot to learn. Although his team's
new PNAS paper fills in some of the gaps that Hodgson and Puddey
referred to, Schmitz says that large, multiyear trials of people
eating flavanol-rich products are needed. However, such studies are
beyond the financial reach of a candy company, he says. He's hoping
the new data are suggestive enough to entice the National Institutes
of Health or another funding organization to step in and back such
clinical follow-ups.
In the meantime, while studying how to synthesize flavanols, Mars has
developed a few novel compounds that might prove even more potent than
epicatechin at triggering NO synthesis. Although these compounds "have
zero application for us [as candy makers], they might have use in
pharmaceuticals," Schmitz told Science News Online. Indeed, he says,
"if the benefits prove striking enough, we might some day license the
compounds" to companies developing cardiovascular drugs.
For Carl Keen of the University of California, Davis, who has
conducted some chocolate studies, there is a somewhat different spin-
off. Data on the biological action of flavanols reported at the Cocoa
Symposium "add new and important pieces of information that will help
us understand why diets rich in fruit and vegetables promote
cardiovascular health," he says. Chocolate science is pointing to
which agents in apples, grapes, and other produce might offer the most
benefits--and why.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:How much chocolate do
you need to eat per day to get the benefits? <<
It depends on the chocolate and how it was processed and it seems just
looking at whether it is dark or not doesn't .. completely .. cover
the ABILITY of the chocolate to 'do its stuff'.
http :// www .sciencenews.org/articles/20060225/food.asp
Prescription Strength Chocolate, Revisited
Janet Raloff
For roughly a decade, science-savvy chocolate consumers have taken
comfort from a string of studies suggesting that their sweet and
usually high-fat vice has a potential up side. The most reassuring
news was that the antioxidant flavonoids abundant in dark chocolate
appear to reduce blood pressure and perhaps protect people from
dangerous blood clots.
Raw cocoa beans, shown here nestled in their pods, contain huge
amounts of heart-healthy flavanols. Commercially processing the beans
to make cocoa powder strips away most of those compounds. Mars,
however, determined how to retain them to make flavanol-rich cocoa for
research trials--and for what it's now marketing as a heart-healthy
snack.
USDA
At the Cocoa Symposium, convened at the National Academy of Sciences
in Washington, D.C., earlier this month, researchers reported new
findings on chocolate's biological impacts. The studies focus on
specific flavonoids in chocolate, such as epicatechin, that offer the
strongest cardiovascular benefits. The bad news: Most commercial
products--even dark chocolates--retain few if any of these natural,
plant-based chemicals.
However, the new data do suggest how chocolatiers might tailor their
candy recipes to preserve--and potentially even augment--concentrations
of beneficial flavonoids. The new studies also might provide some
reasons that diets rich in fruits and vegetables are good for people's
hearts.
"Cocoa is a fruit," notes chemist Harold H. Schmitz, chief science
officer for Mars Inc., the world's largest chocolate manufacturer.
Those flavonoids in cocoa that appear to confer the strongest
cardiovascular benefits are found in plenty of other dietary sources
as well, including tea and apples. Indeed, he says, any of these plant
products might yield bioactive compounds that could fight heart
disease.
Debunking cocoa myths
At the Cocoa Symposium, researchers presented data to shatter a pair
of longstanding "myths," Schmitz observes. The first is that the heart-
healthy components of cocoa are antioxidants that quash naturally
destructive molecular fragments in the body. The second misperception
is that a person can get cocoa's heart-protecting constituents simply
by downing nearly any off-the-shelf dark chocolate.
Early work by scientists at Mars and elsewhere fostered both
perceptions, Schmitz admits. For instance, studies had traced at least
some cardiovascular benefits to a class of flavonoids known as
flavanols and their polymers called procyanidins (SN: 3/18/00, p.
188). Key among the chocolate flavanols linked to heart benefits was
epicatechin, a known antioxidant. Dark chocolates--including those that
are the main ingredients in Mars' Dove Dark bar and the mini M&M
baking bits--were identified as being rich in these constituents.
However, University of California researchers Hagen Schroeter and
Christian Heiss presented data at the symposium indicating that at
least some of the flavanols' benefits trace to functions other than
fighting oxidation. For instance, standard commercially processed
cocoa powder has little or no flavanol content, but it retains a high
concentration of other antioxidants. This cocoa offered almost no
cardiovascular benefits in tests with isolated tissues or people
consuming the cocoa.
Moreover, notes Schroeter, even in people consuming flavanol-rich
cocoa products, "most of the flavanols present in [blood] have been
altered by the body following consumption and are known to have even
less antioxidant potential than their parent [compounds]."
Schroeter's group teamed up with Norman K. Hollenberg, Schmitz, and
others to look at how cocoa's epicatechin works. At the meeting,
Hollenberg described finding that this flavanol and its breakdown
products enhance production of nitric oxide (NO). In the body, NO
dilates blood vessels, relaxes arteries, and enhances blood flow.
In one trial, the researchers administered cocoa drinks to 10 people
and monitored the effects on blood flow. On one occasion, each person
got a cocoa drink that was virtually devoid of flavanols. Another
time, each volunteer drank a cocoa that tasted the same but was rich
in these flavanols. Neither the participants nor the people taking the
blood-flow readings knew which cocoa had been administered.
Only the flavanol-rich drink produced substantial blood-flow benefits,
the researchers report in the Jan. 24 Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences (PNAS). The fact that the benefits, which lasted
several hours, were prevented by administering a drug that shuts down
NO production "unambiguously showed that cocoa flavanols turned on NO
synthesis and improved blood flow," Schmitz says.
He adds that the study exposes the fallacy of judging chocolate's
flavanol content by measuring its cocoa-solids content. Both drinks
administered in this trial were prepared with the same share of cocoa
solids, Schmitz points out.
Lessons from the Kuna
In the PNAS paper and at the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reviewed data
he's gleaned from studying two genetically similar populations of Kuna
Indians, people renowned for their cocoa consumption. One group of the
Kuna lives on the San Blas islands off Panama. The other consists of
migrants residing on the mainland in Panama City.
In earlier work, Hollenberg reported that the island-dwelling Kuna had
significantly lower blood pressure than their mainland kin did (SN:
3/2/02, p. 142: Available to subscribers at
http :// www .sciencenews.org/articles/20020302/note17.asp). One
difference between the populations: The islanders drank an average of
5 cups of cocoa daily, but the mainland group downed fewer than 4 cups
per week.
Schmitz notes that the two populations also drank different cocoas.
Traditionally, island-dwelling Kuna take fresh-picked cocoa beans and
dry them under the sun. Then, they grind the beans into a powder for
use in foods and drinks. "Effectively," he says, "they're consuming
about as close to fresh cocoa as one can get." By contrast, the
islanders' mainland kin now tend to drink commercial cocoas that have
been as heavily processed as U.S. cocoas. The products also retain as
little of the starting flavanols as most U.S. products do.
Hollenberg's follow-up work, reported in the PNAS paper, confirms that
the islanders also have far larger exposures to cocoa flavanols. Tests
showed that flavanol-residue concentrations in urine were six times as
high in the islanders as in the mainlanders.
At the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reported that dramatic long-term
benefits may be attributable to the islanders' cocoa habit: Their
death rate from heart disease is less than 8 percent of that in Kuna
mainlanders, and cancer kills only 16 percent as many islanders. The
two populations were matched for age, weight, and a number of other
factors that might affect heart and cancer risks.
Hollenberg concludes that the Kuna epidemiological data, although
preliminary, "indicate that a flavanol-rich diet may provide an
extraordinary benefit in the reduction of the two deadliest diseases
in today's world."
Toward healthier chocolates . . . and spin-offs
Schmitz acknowledges that "Mars, like every other chocolate business,
tends to use cocoa that has been processed in the standard industry
way." The result is that most of its products end up virtually devoid
of flavanols.
Like its competitors, Mars doesn't want to tinker greatly with the
recipes of its popular products. However, for much of the past decade,
the company has been seeking to create a snack that would not only
taste good--which pure cocoa does not--but also would pack a healthy
wallop of epicatechin and related compounds. The company has recently
begun marketing a relatively low-calorie, high-flavanol candy bar
using a specially processed starting ingredient called CocoaPro.
In the August 2005 Journal of Hypertension, Hollenberg and Naomi D.L.
Fisher of Brigham and Women's Hospital describe the flavanol content
of various chocolate products. CocoaPro powder topped the list, with
nearly 5,000 milligrams of flavanols per 100 grams of cocoa. The Kuna
islander's cocoa beans contained nearly 4,000 mg/100 g, and their
cocoa powder had 2,000 mg/100 g. "In stark contrast," the researchers
observe, "all of the commercially available cocoa powders or chocolate
drinks that can be purchased in American supermarkets have flavonoid
contents substantially less than 5 percent of [CocoaPro's]."
Not so fast, argue Jonathan M. Hodgson and Ian B. Puddey of the
University of Western Australia School of Medicine and Pharmacology.
In an editorial appearing in the same Journal of Hypertension issue,
they agree with Hollenberg and Fisher that a growing body of work
supports the idea that diets rich in flavonoids benefit the heart.
However, the Australian team adds, "The method still widely used to
quantify flavonoids is crude and provides no information about the
[specific] type of flavonoids present." Moreover, they note, not all
flavonoids are readily absorbed by the body. Finally, they point out
that no study has yet evaluated whether increasing flavonoids in study
volunteers' diets--from chocolate, tea, wine, or any other products--
will cut that population's heart-disease incidence.
Schmitz agrees that there's still a lot to learn. Although his team's
new PNAS paper fills in some of the gaps that Hodgson and Puddey
referred to, Schmitz says that large, multiyear trials of people
eating flavanol-rich products are needed. However, such studies are
beyond the financial reach of a candy company, he says. He's hoping
the new data are suggestive enough to entice the National Institutes
of Health or another funding organization to step in and back such
clinical follow-ups.
In the meantime, while studying how to synthesize flavanols, Mars has
developed a few novel compounds that might prove even more potent than
epicatechin at triggering NO synthesis. Although these compounds "have
zero application for us [as candy makers], they might have use in
pharmaceuticals," Schmitz told Science News Online. Indeed, he says,
"if the benefits prove striking enough, we might some day license the
compounds" to companies developing cardiovascular drugs.
For Carl Keen of the University of California, Davis, who has
conducted some chocolate studies, there is a somewhat different spin-
off. Data on the biological action of flavanols reported at the Cocoa
Symposium "add new and important pieces of information that will help
us understand why diets rich in fruit and vegetables promote
cardiovascular health," he says. Chocolate science is pointing to
which agents in apples, grapes, and other produce might offer the most
benefits--and why.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
All these points will be especially bad if you are
becoming insulin resistant and on the road
to type 2 diabetes.
The press praises this product just a little too much
for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
Trig
On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
All these points will be especially bad if you are
becoming insulin resistant and on the road
to type 2 diabetes.
The press praises this product just a little too much
for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
Trig
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
In article
<c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
"trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> >
> > I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> > have 1 square, will that do me any good?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
> All these points will be especially bad if you are
> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
> to type 2 diabetes.
>
> The press praises this product just a little too much
> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>
> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>
> Trig
What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
Steve
In article
<c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
"trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> >
> > I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> > have 1 square, will that do me any good?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
> All these points will be especially bad if you are
> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
> to type 2 diabetes.
>
> The press praises this product just a little too much
> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>
> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>
> Trig
What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
Steve
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
Steve wrote:
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
You won't have as much fun. :-(
Steve wrote:
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
You won't have as much fun. :-(
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
On Apr 12, 2:02 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
> > What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> You won't have as much fun. :-(
Perhaps you can suggest he add sucralose ;-) for sweetness.
Disclaimer, I don't trust sucralose. It seems to work
nicely with a bit of sugar and borax on ants. They
feed and they die or at least level never to return.
Perhaps it only the borax;-) ... Likely in fact.
But is how I used may free sample that came
in the mail.
On Apr 12, 2:02 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic,net > wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
> > What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> You won't have as much fun. :-(
Perhaps you can suggest he add sucralose ;-) for sweetness.
Disclaimer, I don't trust sucralose. It seems to work
nicely with a bit of sugar and borax on ants. They
feed and they die or at least level never to return.
Perhaps it only the borax;-) ... Likely in fact.
But is how I used may free sample that came
in the mail.
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating,
etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a
tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger
piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food items
that act as oxidizing agents. Testing would have to be done to
determine if particular meals you ate were too rich in oxidizing
items.
Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating,
etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a
tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger
piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food items
that act as oxidizing agents. Testing would have to be done to
determine if particular meals you ate were too rich in oxidizing
items.
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
monty1945@lycos,com wrote:
> Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating,
> etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a
> tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger
> piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food...
Wait a minute. Are you telling us that dark chocolate actually *is*
the meal? ;-)
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
monty1945@lycos,com wrote:
> Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating,
> etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a
> tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger
> piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food...
Wait a minute. Are you telling us that dark chocolate actually *is*
the meal? ;-)
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Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
On Apr 12, 1:48 pm, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> > > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> > > I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> > > have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > Steve
>
> > Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
> > chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
> > food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
> > the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
> > the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
> > would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
> > All these points will be especially bad if you are
> > becoming insulin resistant and on the road
> > to type 2 diabetes.
>
> > The press praises this product just a little too much
> > for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
> > assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>
> > If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>
> > Trig
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> Steve
OK that take care of one of the issue I mentioned
not all of them. The other negatives remain.
Costco has carried at times (not currently) a good unsugared
cocoa powder as I recall.
Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about
it.
On Apr 12, 1:48 pm, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> > > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> > > I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> > > have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > > Steve
>
> > Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
> > chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
> > food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
> > the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
> > the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
> > would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
> > All these points will be especially bad if you are
> > becoming insulin resistant and on the road
> > to type 2 diabetes.
>
> > The press praises this product just a little too much
> > for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
> > assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>
> > If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>
> > Trig
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> Steve
OK that take care of one of the issue I mentioned
not all of them. The other negatives remain.
Costco has carried at times (not currently) a good unsugared
cocoa powder as I recall.
Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about
it.
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 12, 1:48 pm, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>> In article
>> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
>> "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Steve
>>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>> Trig
>> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>>
>> Steve
>
> OK that take care of one of the issue I mentioned
> not all of them. The other negatives remain.
>
> Costco has carried at times (not currently) a good unsugared
> cocoa powder as I recall.
>
> Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about
> it.
Have they shown that blueberries and spinach are effective
mood-elevators?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 12, 1:48 pm, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>> In article
>> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
>> "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Steve
>>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>> Trig
>> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>>
>> Steve
>
> OK that take care of one of the issue I mentioned
> not all of them. The other negatives remain.
>
> Costco has carried at times (not currently) a good unsugared
> cocoa powder as I recall.
>
> Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about
> it.
Have they shown that blueberries and spinach are effective
mood-elevators?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
Steve wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>
>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>
>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>
>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>
>> Trig
>
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> Steve
You can get raw organic supplied by Navitas. I usually order this and
sweeten with stevia:
http :// www .amazon,com /Navitas-Naturals-Chocolate-Organic-16-Ounce/dp/B000P24HJ8/ref=sr 1 1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid08220485&sr=1-1
Or you can try this or something similar:
http :// www .vitacost,com /NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
Steve wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>
>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>
>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>
>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>
>> Trig
>
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>
> Steve
You can get raw organic supplied by Navitas. I usually order this and
sweeten with stevia:
http :// www .amazon,com /Navitas-Naturals-Chocolate-Organic-16-Ounce/dp/B000P24HJ8/ref=sr 1 1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid08220485&sr=1-1
Or you can try this or something similar:
http :// www .vitacost,com /NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
Pramesh Rutaji wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> In article
>> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>>
>>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>>
>>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>>
>>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>>
>>> Trig
>>
>> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>>
>> Steve
>
> You can get raw organic supplied by Navitas. I usually order this and
> sweeten with stevia:
> http :// www .amazon,com /Navitas-Naturals-Chocolate-Organic-16-Ounce/dp/B000P24HJ8/ref=sr 1 1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid08220485&sr=1-1
>
> Or you can try this or something similar:
> http :// www .vitacost,com /NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract
I wonder whether it grows in my neighborhood. I forgot what the tree
looks like.
(I've got free Surinam cherries, also known as pitanga, ripe and
ready to eat one block to the west, and seagrapes at the end of the
road. They're sweet, a wee bit salty, and highly addictive, but not as
abundant as the Surinam cherries, which might be why I haven't seen any
research on them yet.)
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Pramesh Rutaji wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>> In article
>> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>>
>>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>>
>>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>>
>>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>>
>>> Trig
>>
>> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
>>
>> Steve
>
> You can get raw organic supplied by Navitas. I usually order this and
> sweeten with stevia:
> http :// www .amazon,com /Navitas-Naturals-Chocolate-Organic-16-Ounce/dp/B000P24HJ8/ref=sr 1 1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid08220485&sr=1-1
>
> Or you can try this or something similar:
> http :// www .vitacost,com /NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract
I wonder whether it grows in my neighborhood. I forgot what the tree
looks like.
(I've got free Surinam cherries, also known as pitanga, ripe and
ready to eat one block to the west, and seagrapes at the end of the
road. They're sweet, a wee bit salty, and highly addictive, but not as
abundant as the Surinam cherries, which might be why I haven't seen any
research on them yet.)
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
Steve wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>
>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>
>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>
>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>
>> Trig
>
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
The latest study report is in.
In a test of one subject dining at home alone, the benefits of cocoa
consumption exceeded all expectations. Not only did it enhance the
delectability of quick French dressing (half mayo and half ketchup), but
it tasted even better with curry powder (p < 0.01), an excellent source
of heart-healthy turmeric.
Moreover, with or without soy sauce and pepper, the salad dressing
makes a great steak sauce, one which (according to the entire cohort)
goes very nicely with red wine!
But there's more. It also acts as an excellent thickening agent, so
if your sauces and gravies are too runny, try adding a little cocoa
powder for body plus bliss.
I can't wait till Mars makes up its mind to market their
extra-wholesome cocoa to us baby boomers!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Steve wrote:
> In article
> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>>>
>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
>>> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of
>> chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted
>> food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally
>> the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten
>> the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore
>> would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning.
>> All these points will be especially bad if you are
>> becoming insulin resistant and on the road
>> to type 2 diabetes.
>>
>> The press praises this product just a little too much
>> for me to even trust it is a good idea and that
>> assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
>>
>> If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
>>
>> Trig
>
>
> What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
The latest study report is in.
In a test of one subject dining at home alone, the benefits of cocoa
consumption exceeded all expectations. Not only did it enhance the
delectability of quick French dressing (half mayo and half ketchup), but
it tasted even better with curry powder (p < 0.01), an excellent source
of heart-healthy turmeric.
Moreover, with or without soy sauce and pepper, the salad dressing
makes a great steak sauce, one which (according to the entire cohort)
goes very nicely with red wine!
But there's more. It also acts as an excellent thickening agent, so
if your sauces and gravies are too runny, try adding a little cocoa
powder for body plus bliss.
I can't wait till Mars makes up its mind to market their
extra-wholesome cocoa to us baby boomers!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
"Steve" <nomail@msn,com > wrote in message
news:nomail-402DFB.10431712042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy,com ...
>
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
There are some studies suggesting that dark chocolate (not just any
chocolate) to be part of daily balanced diet, about 100 g / day.
Nevertheless if you eat healthy food those extra 100 g / day might have
limited influence and you might be as well good with no chocolate at all or
with just a few grams / day.
"Steve" <nomail@msn,com > wrote in message
news:nomail-402DFB.10431712042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy,com ...
>
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
>
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
There are some studies suggesting that dark chocolate (not just any
chocolate) to be part of daily balanced diet, about 100 g / day.
Nevertheless if you eat healthy food those extra 100 g / day might have
limited influence and you might be as well good with no chocolate at all or
with just a few grams / day.
Re: How much CHOCOLATE for benefits?
On Apr 12, 10:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars.
I do too. Love 'em!
Ever tried their 99% bars?
> They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
It's like everything else. No one food, or loading up on one food, is
the trick. It's the combination of the good stuff that does it. And
a lot of recent research is indicating dark chocolate IS good stuff.
So enjoy a portion size, but to really get its benefits make sure
you're also eating/drinking pecans, spinach, tea, apples, raspberries,
pomegranates, sweet potatoes, black beans, broccoli, tomatoes, etc...
Patrick
On Apr 12, 10:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn,com > wrote:
> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars.
I do too. Love 'em!
Ever tried their 99% bars?
> They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I
> have 1 square, will that do me any good?
It's like everything else. No one food, or loading up on one food, is
the trick. It's the combination of the good stuff that does it. And
a lot of recent research is indicating dark chocolate IS good stuff.
So enjoy a portion size, but to really get its benefits make sure
you're also eating/drinking pecans, spinach, tea, apples, raspberries,
pomegranates, sweet potatoes, black beans, broccoli, tomatoes, etc...
Patrick
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