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Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
[My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
Madrid, Spain.
A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
possible in some children with McArdle disease.
Who loves ya.
Tom
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Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
[My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
Madrid, Spain.
A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
possible in some children with McArdle disease.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
> Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> Madrid, Spain.
> A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.
On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
> Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> Madrid, Spain.
> A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
That went over my head ..
This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
relates to what you said .. ?
Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
"Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
I'm missing something ..
Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
carbohydrate.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > Madrid, Spain.
> > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
That went over my head ..
This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
relates to what you said .. ?
Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
"Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
I'm missing something ..
Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
carbohydrate.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > Madrid, Spain.
> > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 7:59 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com >
wrote:phosphate <<
High altitude is a human model of iron overload in that it causes
erythrocytosis / increased red blood cell production.
Coincidentally .. fatigue .. is ,, relieved .. by phosphates.
"Phosphate supplementation"
Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
Journal International Journal of Biometeorology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0020-7128 (Print) 1432-1254 (Online)
Issue Volume 31, Number 3 / September, 1987
DOI 10.1007/BF02188928
Pages 249-257
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Friday, September 30, 2005
Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
S. C. Jain1, M. V. Singh1, S. B. Rawal1, V. M. Sharma1, H. M.
Divekar1, A. K. Tyagi1, M. R. Panwar1 and Y. V. Swamy2
(1) Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences, 110010 Delhi
Cantt, India
(2) Naval Science and Technological Lab., 530006 Vishakapatnam,
India
Received: 31 July 1985
Abstract
In the present communication, effect of low doses of phosphate
supplementation on short-term high altitude adaptation has been
examined.
Studies were carried out in 36 healthy, male, sea-level residents
divided in a double blind fashion into drug and placebo treated
groups. 3.2 mmol of phosphate were given orally to each subject of the
drug treated group once a day for 4 days on arrival at an altitude of
3,500 m.
Sequential studies were done in the subjects in both groups on the
3rd, 7th, 14th and 21st day of their altitude stay.
Haemoglobin, haematocrit, erythrocyte and reticulocyte counts
increased to the similar extent in both groups.
Blood pH, pO2 and adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) did not differ between
the two groups.
On 3rd day of the altitude stay, inorganic phosphate and 2,3-
diphosphoglycerate (2,3 DPG) levels in the drug treated group
increased significantly as compared to the placebo group.
No significant difference in inorganic phosphate and 2,3 DPG was
observed later on in the two groups.
Psychological and clinical tests also indicated that the drug treated
subjects felt better as compared to the placebo treated subjects.
The present study suggests that low doses of phosphate increases
circulating 2,3-DPG concentration which in turn brings about
beneficial effect towards short term high altitude adaptation.
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> On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
> less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
>
> That went over my head ..
> This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
> relates to what you said .. ?
> Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
>
> "Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
>
> What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
>
> I'm missing something ..
>
> Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
>
> I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
> is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
> carbohydrate.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > > Madrid, Spain.
> > > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 15, 7:59 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com >
wrote:phosphate <<
High altitude is a human model of iron overload in that it causes
erythrocytosis / increased red blood cell production.
Coincidentally .. fatigue .. is ,, relieved .. by phosphates.
"Phosphate supplementation"
Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
Journal International Journal of Biometeorology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0020-7128 (Print) 1432-1254 (Online)
Issue Volume 31, Number 3 / September, 1987
DOI 10.1007/BF02188928
Pages 249-257
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Friday, September 30, 2005
Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
S. C. Jain1, M. V. Singh1, S. B. Rawal1, V. M. Sharma1, H. M.
Divekar1, A. K. Tyagi1, M. R. Panwar1 and Y. V. Swamy2
(1) Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences, 110010 Delhi
Cantt, India
(2) Naval Science and Technological Lab., 530006 Vishakapatnam,
India
Received: 31 July 1985
Abstract
In the present communication, effect of low doses of phosphate
supplementation on short-term high altitude adaptation has been
examined.
Studies were carried out in 36 healthy, male, sea-level residents
divided in a double blind fashion into drug and placebo treated
groups. 3.2 mmol of phosphate were given orally to each subject of the
drug treated group once a day for 4 days on arrival at an altitude of
3,500 m.
Sequential studies were done in the subjects in both groups on the
3rd, 7th, 14th and 21st day of their altitude stay.
Haemoglobin, haematocrit, erythrocyte and reticulocyte counts
increased to the similar extent in both groups.
Blood pH, pO2 and adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) did not differ between
the two groups.
On 3rd day of the altitude stay, inorganic phosphate and 2,3-
diphosphoglycerate (2,3 DPG) levels in the drug treated group
increased significantly as compared to the placebo group.
No significant difference in inorganic phosphate and 2,3 DPG was
observed later on in the two groups.
Psychological and clinical tests also indicated that the drug treated
subjects felt better as compared to the placebo treated subjects.
The present study suggests that low doses of phosphate increases
circulating 2,3-DPG concentration which in turn brings about
beneficial effect towards short term high altitude adaptation.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
> less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
>
> That went over my head ..
> This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
> relates to what you said .. ?
> Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
>
> "Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
>
> What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
>
> I'm missing something ..
>
> Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
>
> I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
> is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
> carbohydrate.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > > Madrid, Spain.
> > > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
phosphate <<
Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
"Decreased serum phosphorus and parathyroid hormone concentrations"
J Am Soc Nephrol 10:1274-1280, 1999
© 1999 American Society of Nephrology
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
REGULAR ARTICLES
New Phosphate Binding Agents
Ferric Compounds
CHEN H. HSU, SANJEEVKUMAR R. PATEL and ERIC W. YOUNG
Nephrology Division, Department of Internal Medicine, University of
Michigan Medical School, VA Medical Center, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Correspondence to Dr. Chen H. Hsu, 3914 Taubman Center, Nephrology
Division, University Hospital, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0364. Phone:
313-936-9480; Fax: 313-936-9621; E-mail: hsuc@umich.edu
Abstract. Several prior studies suggest that ferric compounds bind
dietary phosphate and possess clinical potential as phosphate binding
agents. Therefore, this study was conducted to measure the effect of
several ferric compounds on intestinal phosphate binding and
absorption. Balance studies lasting 2 to 4 wk were performed in normal
and azotemic (achieved by subtotal nephrectomy) rats maintained on a
1.02% phosphorus diet supplemented with ferric salts (formulated to
0.95% Fe) or no ferric salt (control). In rats with normal renal
function (average creatinine clearance, 4.0 ml/min per kg), the
average net intestinal absorption of phosphate over all balance
periods was 103.3 mg/d for the control group versus 84.7 mg/d for the
ferric citrate group (P < 0.005). In the azotemic rats (average
creatinine clearance, 3.3 ml/min per kg), the average net intestinal
absorption of phosphate over all balance periods was significantly
lower for the three ferric groups than the control groups (P 0.02):
95.3 mg/d for the control group versus 75.6 mg/d for the ferric
ammonium citrate-treated group (P = 0.058), 77.0 mg/d for the ferric
citrate-treated group (P = 0.057), and 62.5 mg/d for the ferric
chloride-treated group (P < 0.002). Urinary phosphate excretion fell,
sometimes to an even greater extent than did intestinal absorption,
yielding no net reduction in phosphate balance in these growing, young
animals with relatively preserved renal function. Calcium balance was
largely unaffected by the ferric compounds. There were trends toward
decreased serum phosphorus and parathyroid hormone concentrations and
increased iron and hematocrit in the ferric-treated azotemic groups.
All tested ferric compounds were well tolerated, but animal growth was
stunted in the ferric chloride animals compared with the control
group. Phosphate binding was estimated at 85 to 180 mg per gram of
elemental iron, which is comparable to other phosphate binding agents.
Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption and hold
promise for the treatment of phosphate retention in patients with
renal failure.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On Apr 15, 7:59 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com >
> wrote:phosphate <<
>
> High altitude is a human model of iron overload in that it causes
> erythrocytosis / increased red blood cell production.
> Coincidentally .. fatigue .. is ,, relieved .. by phosphates.
>
> "Phosphate supplementation"
>
> Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
> altitude
> Journal International Journal of Biometeorology
> Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
> ISSN 0020-7128 (Print) 1432-1254 (Online)
> Issue Volume 31, Number 3 / September, 1987
> DOI 10.1007/BF02188928
> Pages 249-257
> Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
> SpringerLink Date Friday, September 30, 2005
>
> Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
> altitude
> S. C. Jain1, M. V. Singh1, S. B. Rawal1, V. M. Sharma1, H. M.
> Divekar1, A. K. Tyagi1, M. R. Panwar1 and Y. V. Swamy2
>
> (1) Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences, 110010 Delhi
> Cantt, India
> (2) Naval Science and Technological Lab., 530006 Vishakapatnam,
> India
>
> Received: 31 July 1985
>
> Abstract
> In the present communication, effect of low doses of phosphate
> supplementation on short-term high altitude adaptation has been
> examined.
> Studies were carried out in 36 healthy, male, sea-level residents
> divided in a double blind fashion into drug and placebo treated
> groups. 3.2 mmol of phosphate were given orally to each subject of the
> drug treated group once a day for 4 days on arrival at an altitude of
> 3,500 m.
> Sequential studies were done in the subjects in both groups on the
> 3rd, 7th, 14th and 21st day of their altitude stay.
> Haemoglobin, haematocrit, erythrocyte and reticulocyte counts
> increased to the similar extent in both groups.
> Blood pH, pO2 and adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) did not differ between
> the two groups.
> On 3rd day of the altitude stay, inorganic phosphate and 2,3-
> diphosphoglycerate (2,3 DPG) levels in the drug treated group
> increased significantly as compared to the placebo group.
> No significant difference in inorganic phosphate and 2,3 DPG was
> observed later on in the two groups.
> Psychological and clinical tests also indicated that the drug treated
> subjects felt better as compared to the placebo treated subjects.
> The present study suggests that low doses of phosphate increases
> circulating 2,3-DPG concentration which in turn brings about
> beneficial effect towards short term high altitude adaptation.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
> > less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
>
> > That went over my head ..
> > This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
> > relates to what you said .. ?
> > Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
>
> > "Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
>
> > What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
>
> > I'm missing something ..
>
> > Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
>
> > I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
> > is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
> > carbohydrate.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > > > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > > > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > > > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > > > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > > > Madrid, Spain.
> > > > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > > > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > > > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > > > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > > > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > > > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > > > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > > > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > > > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > > > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > > > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > > > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > > > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > > > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > > > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > > > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > > > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > > > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > > > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > Tom
>
> > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
phosphate <<
Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
"Decreased serum phosphorus and parathyroid hormone concentrations"
J Am Soc Nephrol 10:1274-1280, 1999
© 1999 American Society of Nephrology
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
REGULAR ARTICLES
New Phosphate Binding Agents
Ferric Compounds
CHEN H. HSU, SANJEEVKUMAR R. PATEL and ERIC W. YOUNG
Nephrology Division, Department of Internal Medicine, University of
Michigan Medical School, VA Medical Center, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Correspondence to Dr. Chen H. Hsu, 3914 Taubman Center, Nephrology
Division, University Hospital, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0364. Phone:
313-936-9480; Fax: 313-936-9621; E-mail: hsuc@umich.edu
Abstract. Several prior studies suggest that ferric compounds bind
dietary phosphate and possess clinical potential as phosphate binding
agents. Therefore, this study was conducted to measure the effect of
several ferric compounds on intestinal phosphate binding and
absorption. Balance studies lasting 2 to 4 wk were performed in normal
and azotemic (achieved by subtotal nephrectomy) rats maintained on a
1.02% phosphorus diet supplemented with ferric salts (formulated to
0.95% Fe) or no ferric salt (control). In rats with normal renal
function (average creatinine clearance, 4.0 ml/min per kg), the
average net intestinal absorption of phosphate over all balance
periods was 103.3 mg/d for the control group versus 84.7 mg/d for the
ferric citrate group (P < 0.005). In the azotemic rats (average
creatinine clearance, 3.3 ml/min per kg), the average net intestinal
absorption of phosphate over all balance periods was significantly
lower for the three ferric groups than the control groups (P 0.02):
95.3 mg/d for the control group versus 75.6 mg/d for the ferric
ammonium citrate-treated group (P = 0.058), 77.0 mg/d for the ferric
citrate-treated group (P = 0.057), and 62.5 mg/d for the ferric
chloride-treated group (P < 0.002). Urinary phosphate excretion fell,
sometimes to an even greater extent than did intestinal absorption,
yielding no net reduction in phosphate balance in these growing, young
animals with relatively preserved renal function. Calcium balance was
largely unaffected by the ferric compounds. There were trends toward
decreased serum phosphorus and parathyroid hormone concentrations and
increased iron and hematocrit in the ferric-treated azotemic groups.
All tested ferric compounds were well tolerated, but animal growth was
stunted in the ferric chloride animals compared with the control
group. Phosphate binding was estimated at 85 to 180 mg per gram of
elemental iron, which is comparable to other phosphate binding agents.
Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption and hold
promise for the treatment of phosphate retention in patients with
renal failure.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 15, 7:59 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com >
> wrote:phosphate <<
>
> High altitude is a human model of iron overload in that it causes
> erythrocytosis / increased red blood cell production.
> Coincidentally .. fatigue .. is ,, relieved .. by phosphates.
>
> "Phosphate supplementation"
>
> Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
> altitude
> Journal International Journal of Biometeorology
> Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
> ISSN 0020-7128 (Print) 1432-1254 (Online)
> Issue Volume 31, Number 3 / September, 1987
> DOI 10.1007/BF02188928
> Pages 249-257
> Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
> SpringerLink Date Friday, September 30, 2005
>
> Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
> altitude
> S. C. Jain1, M. V. Singh1, S. B. Rawal1, V. M. Sharma1, H. M.
> Divekar1, A. K. Tyagi1, M. R. Panwar1 and Y. V. Swamy2
>
> (1) Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences, 110010 Delhi
> Cantt, India
> (2) Naval Science and Technological Lab., 530006 Vishakapatnam,
> India
>
> Received: 31 July 1985
>
> Abstract
> In the present communication, effect of low doses of phosphate
> supplementation on short-term high altitude adaptation has been
> examined.
> Studies were carried out in 36 healthy, male, sea-level residents
> divided in a double blind fashion into drug and placebo treated
> groups. 3.2 mmol of phosphate were given orally to each subject of the
> drug treated group once a day for 4 days on arrival at an altitude of
> 3,500 m.
> Sequential studies were done in the subjects in both groups on the
> 3rd, 7th, 14th and 21st day of their altitude stay.
> Haemoglobin, haematocrit, erythrocyte and reticulocyte counts
> increased to the similar extent in both groups.
> Blood pH, pO2 and adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) did not differ between
> the two groups.
> On 3rd day of the altitude stay, inorganic phosphate and 2,3-
> diphosphoglycerate (2,3 DPG) levels in the drug treated group
> increased significantly as compared to the placebo group.
> No significant difference in inorganic phosphate and 2,3 DPG was
> observed later on in the two groups.
> Psychological and clinical tests also indicated that the drug treated
> subjects felt better as compared to the placebo treated subjects.
> The present study suggests that low doses of phosphate increases
> circulating 2,3-DPG concentration which in turn brings about
> beneficial effect towards short term high altitude adaptation.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 5:03 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail,com > wrote:20 g of carbs is
> > less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction <<
>
> > That went over my head ..
> > This article said .. PRE-**exercise** .. so I don't know whether this
> > relates to what you said .. ?
> > Doesn't it say .. load some carbs before exercise .. ?
>
> > "Protection by increasing pre-exercise carbohydrate ingestion"
>
> > What does Atkin's have to do with that .. ?
>
> > I'm missing something ..
>
> > Does Atkins allow for more glucose to be used .. ?
>
> > I might be more inclined to believe the hemolysis caused by exercise
> > is offset by the increased phosphate / remediation INDUCED by the
> > carbohydrate.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On Apr 14, 6:39 pm, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > > > Pediatr Neurol. 2008 Feb ;38 (2):133-136 18206796 (P,S,E,B,D) One-Year
> > > > Follow-Up in a Child With McArdle Disease: Exercise is Medicine.
>
> > > > [My paper] Margarita Pérez, Carl Foster, Marta González-Freire,
> > > > Joaquín Arenas, Alejandro Lucia
> > > > Department of Exercise Physiology, Universidad Europea de Madrid,
> > > > Madrid, Spain.
> > > > A 9-year-old boy with McArdle disease, who demonstrated remarkable
> > > > recovery of objectively measured exercise tolerance after 1 year of
> > > > follow-up, during which he pursued age-appropriate physical
> > > > activities. The patient presented 1 year previously with severe
> > > > myalgia, muscle weakness, proteinuria, hematuria, hyperthermia, and
> > > > elevated creatine kinase levels after noncompetitive swimming. At that
> > > > time, he reported a 3-year history of general myalgia and poor
> > > > exercise tolerance. He was diagnosed with McArdle disease by both
> > > > biochemical and genetic methods. Subsequently he performed a maximal
> > > > exercise test and was prescribed a return to age-appropriate physical
> > > > activity (protected by a pre-exercise dietary consumption of
> > > > approximately 20 g carbohydrate). At 1-year follow up, he reported no
> > > > subsequent acute clinical episodes, no general problems with exercise
> > > > either at school or in ordinary activities, a virtual normalization of
> > > > serum creatine kinase levels, and a 14% increase in body mass-adjusted
> > > > peak oxygen uptake (from 18.8 to 21.8 mL O(2)/kg/min). The results
> > > > suggest that, with protection by increasing pre-exercise blood glucose
> > > > with carbohydrate ingestion, a substantially normal lifestyle may be
> > > > possible in some children with McArdle disease.
>
> > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > Tom
>
> > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > 20 g of carbs is less than the Atkins much maligned 2 week induction.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> phosphate <<
>
> Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
"supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
oxidative DNA damage ...
Taka
On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> phosphate <<
>
> Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
"supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
oxidative DNA damage ...
Taka
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
(like VitB1 is). <<
I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
phosphates ..
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
in the meat -<<
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
Write it down.
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
side benefit you don't get gout <<
Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
improve gout.
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
damage ... <<
You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
wrap .. can ya .. ?
How much you .. figure .. ?
How about .. peas .. ?
Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
green .. peas .. ?
Eh ..
How much you .. figure .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > phosphate <<
>
> > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> Taka
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
(like VitB1 is). <<
I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
phosphates ..
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
in the meat -<<
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
"Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
Write it down.
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
side benefit you don't get gout <<
Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
improve gout.
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
damage ... <<
You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
wrap .. can ya .. ?
How much you .. figure .. ?
How about .. peas .. ?
Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
green .. peas .. ?
Eh ..
How much you .. figure .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > phosphate <<
>
> > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> Taka
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: you don't need to
"supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
in the meat -<<
Pound for pound there seems to be QUITE a bit more phosphates in
plants than meat.
You good at math .. ?
10 times more phosphates in wheat .. ?
http :// labs.ansci.uiuc.edu/meatscience/Library/additives.htm
"There is about 0.1 percent of naturally occurring phosphate in meat"
http :// tinyurl,com /2rxqnf
"In buckwheat and spelt wheat a considerable content (about 1% or
more) of phytic acid ( myoinositol phosphate) can be found."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
> carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
> phosphates ..
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
> carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> in the meat -<<
>
> "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
> REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
>
> "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
>
> Write it down.
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout <<
>
> Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
> gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
> Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
> Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
> improve gout.
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
> creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
> has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
> damage ... <<
>
> You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
> wrap .. can ya .. ?
>
> How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> How about .. peas .. ?
>
> Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
> green .. peas .. ?
>
> Eh ..
>
> How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > > phosphate <<
>
> > > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> > Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> > first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> > "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> > side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> > phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> > ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> > phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> > oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: you don't need to
"supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
in the meat -<<
Pound for pound there seems to be QUITE a bit more phosphates in
plants than meat.
You good at math .. ?
10 times more phosphates in wheat .. ?
http :// labs.ansci.uiuc.edu/meatscience/Library/additives.htm
"There is about 0.1 percent of naturally occurring phosphate in meat"
http :// tinyurl,com /2rxqnf
"In buckwheat and spelt wheat a considerable content (about 1% or
more) of phytic acid ( myoinositol phosphate) can be found."
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
> carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
> phosphates ..
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
> carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> in the meat -<<
>
> "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
> REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
>
> "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
>
> Write it down.
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout <<
>
> Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
> gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
> Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
> Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
> improve gout.
>
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
> creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
> has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
> damage ... <<
>
> You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
> wrap .. can ya .. ?
>
> How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> How about .. peas .. ?
>
> Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
> green .. peas .. ?
>
> Eh ..
>
> How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > > phosphate <<
>
> > > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> > Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> > first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> > "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> > side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> > phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> > ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> > phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> > oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 7:27 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
phosphate <<
"Oral phosphate"
Postgraduate Medical Journal, 1998, Vol 74, 229-232
Phosphate diabetes in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome
F De Lorenzo, J Hargreaves and VV Kakkar
Beatrice Research Centre, London, UK.
Phosphate depletion is associated with neuromuscular dysfunction due
to changes in mitochondrial respiration that result in a defect of
intracellular oxidative metabolism.
Phosphate diabetes causes phosphate depletion due to abnormal renal re-
absorption of phosphate be the proximal renal tubule.
Most of the symptoms presented by patients with phosphate diabetes
such as myalgia, fatigue and mild depression, are also common in
patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, but this differential
diagnosis has not been considered.
We investigated the possible association between chronic fatigue
syndrome and phosphate diabetes in 87 patients who fulfilled the
criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.
Control subjects were 37 volunteers, who explicitly denied fatigue and
chronic illness on a screening questionnaire.
Re-absorption of phosphate by the proximal renal tubule, phosphate
clearance and renal threshold phosphate concentration were the main
outcome measures in both groups.
Of the 87 patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, nine also fulfilled
the diagnostic criteria for phosphate diabetes.
In conclusion, we report a previously undefined relationship between
chronic fatigue syndrome and phosphate diabetes.
Phosphate diabetes should be considered in differential diagnosis with
chronic fatigue syndrome; further studies are needed to investigate
the incidence of phosphate diabetes in patients with chronic fatigue
syndrome and the possible beneficial effect of vitamin D and oral
phosphate supplements.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
© The Fellowship of Postgraduate Medicine, 1998
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Tom
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> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> in the meat -<<
>
> Pound for pound there seems to be QUITE a bit more phosphates in
> plants than meat.
> You good at math .. ?
>
> 10 times more phosphates in wheat .. ?
>
> http :// labs.ansci.uiuc.edu/meatscience/Library/additives.htm
>
> "There is about 0.1 percent of naturally occurring phosphate in meat"
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /2rxqnf
>
> "In buckwheat and spelt wheat a considerable content (about 1% or
> more) of phytic acid ( myoinositol phosphate) can be found."
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
> > carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
> > phosphates ..
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
> > carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> > in the meat -<<
>
> > "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> > I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
> > REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
>
> > "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> > That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
>
> > Write it down.
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
> > side benefit you don't get gout <<
>
> > Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
> > gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
> > Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
> > Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
> > improve gout.
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
> > creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
> > has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
> > damage ... <<
>
> > You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
> > wrap .. can ya .. ?
>
> > How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> > How about .. peas .. ?
>
> > Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
> > green .. peas .. ?
>
> > Eh ..
>
> > How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > > > phosphate <<
>
> > > > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> > > Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> > > first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> > > "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> > > side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> > > phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> > > ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> > > phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> > > oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> > > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 15, 7:27 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
phosphate <<
"Oral phosphate"
Postgraduate Medical Journal, 1998, Vol 74, 229-232
Phosphate diabetes in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome
F De Lorenzo, J Hargreaves and VV Kakkar
Beatrice Research Centre, London, UK.
Phosphate depletion is associated with neuromuscular dysfunction due
to changes in mitochondrial respiration that result in a defect of
intracellular oxidative metabolism.
Phosphate diabetes causes phosphate depletion due to abnormal renal re-
absorption of phosphate be the proximal renal tubule.
Most of the symptoms presented by patients with phosphate diabetes
such as myalgia, fatigue and mild depression, are also common in
patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, but this differential
diagnosis has not been considered.
We investigated the possible association between chronic fatigue
syndrome and phosphate diabetes in 87 patients who fulfilled the
criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.
Control subjects were 37 volunteers, who explicitly denied fatigue and
chronic illness on a screening questionnaire.
Re-absorption of phosphate by the proximal renal tubule, phosphate
clearance and renal threshold phosphate concentration were the main
outcome measures in both groups.
Of the 87 patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, nine also fulfilled
the diagnostic criteria for phosphate diabetes.
In conclusion, we report a previously undefined relationship between
chronic fatigue syndrome and phosphate diabetes.
Phosphate diabetes should be considered in differential diagnosis with
chronic fatigue syndrome; further studies are needed to investigate
the incidence of phosphate diabetes in patients with chronic fatigue
syndrome and the possible beneficial effect of vitamin D and oral
phosphate supplements.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
© The Fellowship of Postgraduate Medicine, 1998
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> in the meat -<<
>
> Pound for pound there seems to be QUITE a bit more phosphates in
> plants than meat.
> You good at math .. ?
>
> 10 times more phosphates in wheat .. ?
>
> http :// labs.ansci.uiuc.edu/meatscience/Library/additives.htm
>
> "There is about 0.1 percent of naturally occurring phosphate in meat"
>
> http :// tinyurl,com /2rxqnf
>
> "In buckwheat and spelt wheat a considerable content (about 1% or
> more) of phytic acid ( myoinositol phosphate) can be found."
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > I find that kind of strange since the chaff part of the grain /
> > carbohydrate is WHERE the B vitamins are found .. AND .. the
> > phosphates ..
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: If you go low
> > carb you don't need to "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it
> > in the meat -<<
>
> > "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> > I kinda wonder whether this phosphate from this **high iron** meat is
> > REALLY all that .. "absorbable" .. as you .. seem to be saying.
>
> > "Ferric salts decrease net intestinal phosphate absorption"
>
> > That means iron .. ferric salts .. mean .. iron.
>
> > Write it down.
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: and as a
> > side benefit you don't get gout <<
>
> > Quite a few people argue it is the meat **specifically** which causes
> > gout .. IE: diet high in purines.
> > Bloodletting / iron reduction recommended for gout.
> > Vegetarian diet high in phosphates .. coincidentally .. shown to
> > improve gout.
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: How about
> > creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than phytates and
> > has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from oxidative DNA
> > damage ... <<
>
> > You can get a high source of creatine from a .. whole wheat pita
> > wrap .. can ya .. ?
>
> > How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> > How about .. peas .. ?
>
> > Can I get a good dose of creatine from a good big serving of sweet ..
> > green .. peas .. ?
>
> > Eh ..
>
> > How much you .. figure .. ?
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > > > phosphate <<
>
> > > > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> > > Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> > > first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> > > "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> > > side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> > > phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> > > ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> > > phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> > > oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> > > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
(like VitB1 is). <<
I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
carbohydrates.
Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
thiamin you ingest.
It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
increase the need for thiamin.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > phosphate <<
>
> > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> Taka
On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
(like VitB1 is). <<
I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
carbohydrates.
Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
thiamin you ingest.
It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
increase the need for thiamin.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On Apr 16, 1:14 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> > phosphate <<
>
> > Curious how iron ingestion depletes phosphorus and hormones.
>
> Phosphorus is depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the
> first place (like VitB1 is). If you go low carb you don't need to
> "supplement" phosphorus, there is plenty of it in the meat - and as a
> side benefit you don't get gout which is also partially caused by
> phosphorus deficiency leading to the inability to phosphorylate ADP to
> ATP. How about creatine, that is less toxic source of phosphorus than
> phytates and has been shown to protect brain mitochondria from
> oxidative DNA damage ...
>
> Taka
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> carbohydrates.
> Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> thiamin you ingest.
> It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> increase the need for thiamin.
Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
looks to me more like an antinutrient.
Taka
On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> carbohydrates.
> Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> thiamin you ingest.
> It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> increase the need for thiamin.
Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
looks to me more like an antinutrient.
Taka
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
carbohydrates <<
"pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
carbohydrate.
On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
antinutrient. <<
You are kinda .. behind ..
Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
Pretty much.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > carbohydrates.
> > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > thiamin you ingest.
> > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
carbohydrates <<
"pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
carbohydrate.
On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
antinutrient. <<
You are kinda .. behind ..
Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
Pretty much.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > carbohydrates.
> > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > thiamin you ingest.
> > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
carbohydrates <<
If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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> On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> carbohydrates <<
>
> "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> carbohydrate.
>
> On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> antinutrient. <<
>
> You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> Pretty much.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > carbohydrates.
> > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
carbohydrates <<
If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> carbohydrates <<
>
> "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> carbohydrate.
>
> On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> antinutrient. <<
>
> You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> Pretty much.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > carbohydrates.
> > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 16, 9:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:one
might wonder IF raisins are a good source of carbohydrates .. <<
Well .. well .. well ..
Raisins ARE carbohydrates ..
They have taken the .. "BE the carbohydrate" .. to a new level .. 50X
more on average.
They have become ONE .. with .. the carbohydrate ..
You will be hardpressed to find anything BUT carbohydrates IN the
raisin ..
Which would give credence to the carbohydrate intake offsetting the
problems associated with exercise BECAUSE raisins are SO efficient /
efficacy .. AT .. offsetting the problems associated with .. exercise.
I wonder if they have any .. phosphates .. ?
Food Item:Raisins, seedless
Food Quantity: 1 cup
Carbs: 115g
Dietary Fiber: 5.4g
Net Carbs: 109.6g
http :// www .weightlossforall,com /carbohydrates-vegetables.htm
The table below lists amount of carbohydrates in vegetables per 100g
(3.5 oz).
Vegetable Carbohydrates Calories
Asparagus 2g 26
Aubergine 2.3g 15
Calories in Beans 8-18g Medium
Beetroot 8g 38
Broccoli 2g 32
Brussels Sprouts 4g 40
Cabbage average 4g 24
Carrot 8g 32
Cauliflower 3g 32
Celery 1g 8
Chicory 3g 10
Courgette 2g 20
Cucumber 1.5g 10
Fennel 1.9g 13
Gherkins 2.8g 15
Gourd 1g 12
Leek 3g 22
Lettuce (average) 1.5g 13
Marrow 2g 10
Mushroom 0.5g 12
Okra 3g 30
Onion 8g 35
Onion Spring 6g 23
Parsnip 12g 60
Calories in Peas 10-15g Medium
Peppers 1.6g 18
Potato Calories 15-25g low-med
Pumpkin 2.1g 12
Radish 2g 13
Spinach 1.5g 23
Swede 5g 22
Sweetcorn 2g 24
Tomatoes 3g 18
Turnip 4.5g 21
Watercress 0.3g 21
Yam 27g 110
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
> carbohydrates <<
>
> If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
> stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
> raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> > carbohydrates <<
>
> > "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> > One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> > carbohydrate.
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> > bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> > antinutrient. <<
>
> > You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> > Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> > Pretty much.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > > carbohydrates.
> > > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> > > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 16, 9:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:one
might wonder IF raisins are a good source of carbohydrates .. <<
Well .. well .. well ..
Raisins ARE carbohydrates ..
They have taken the .. "BE the carbohydrate" .. to a new level .. 50X
more on average.
They have become ONE .. with .. the carbohydrate ..
You will be hardpressed to find anything BUT carbohydrates IN the
raisin ..
Which would give credence to the carbohydrate intake offsetting the
problems associated with exercise BECAUSE raisins are SO efficient /
efficacy .. AT .. offsetting the problems associated with .. exercise.
I wonder if they have any .. phosphates .. ?
Food Item:Raisins, seedless
Food Quantity: 1 cup
Carbs: 115g
Dietary Fiber: 5.4g
Net Carbs: 109.6g
http :// www .weightlossforall,com /carbohydrates-vegetables.htm
The table below lists amount of carbohydrates in vegetables per 100g
(3.5 oz).
Vegetable Carbohydrates Calories
Asparagus 2g 26
Aubergine 2.3g 15
Calories in Beans 8-18g Medium
Beetroot 8g 38
Broccoli 2g 32
Brussels Sprouts 4g 40
Cabbage average 4g 24
Carrot 8g 32
Cauliflower 3g 32
Celery 1g 8
Chicory 3g 10
Courgette 2g 20
Cucumber 1.5g 10
Fennel 1.9g 13
Gherkins 2.8g 15
Gourd 1g 12
Leek 3g 22
Lettuce (average) 1.5g 13
Marrow 2g 10
Mushroom 0.5g 12
Okra 3g 30
Onion 8g 35
Onion Spring 6g 23
Parsnip 12g 60
Calories in Peas 10-15g Medium
Peppers 1.6g 18
Potato Calories 15-25g low-med
Pumpkin 2.1g 12
Radish 2g 13
Spinach 1.5g 23
Swede 5g 22
Sweetcorn 2g 24
Tomatoes 3g 18
Turnip 4.5g 21
Watercress 0.3g 21
Yam 27g 110
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
> carbohydrates <<
>
> If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
> stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
> raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> > carbohydrates <<
>
> > "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> > One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> > carbohydrate.
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> > bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> > antinutrient. <<
>
> > You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> > Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> > Pretty much.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > > carbohydrates.
> > > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> > > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Re: Carbohydrate Alleviates Fatigue
On Apr 16, 9:33 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:50X
more on average. <<
Whoops .. one cup is about 229 grams sooo .. raisins would be about 50
grams per 100 grams thereabouts .. still much more than anything ..
Soooo .. 'reverse engineering' .. shows .. ?
A few years back they showed raisins offset .. totally .. the
oxidative stress associated with a .. **marathon** .. and NOW .. a few
years LATER .. ? .. "carbohydrates alleviate crippling fatigue in a
child" ..
Let's keep our fingers .. crossed.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 9:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:one
> might wonder IF raisins are a good source of carbohydrates .. <<
>
> Well .. well .. well ..
>
> Raisins ARE carbohydrates ..
> They have taken the .. "BE the carbohydrate" .. to a new level .. 50X
> more on average.
>
> They have become ONE .. with .. the carbohydrate ..
>
> You will be hardpressed to find anything BUT carbohydrates IN the
> raisin ..
>
> Which would give credence to the carbohydrate intake offsetting the
> problems associated with exercise BECAUSE raisins are SO efficient /
> efficacy .. AT .. offsetting the problems associated with .. exercise.
>
> I wonder if they have any .. phosphates .. ?
>
> Food Item:Raisins, seedless
> Food Quantity: 1 cup
> Carbs: 115g
> Dietary Fiber: 5.4g
> Net Carbs: 109.6g
>
> http :// www .weightlossforall,com /carbohydrates-vegetables.htm
> The table below lists amount of carbohydrates in vegetables per 100g
> (3.5 oz).
> Vegetable Carbohydrates Calories
> Asparagus 2g 26
> Aubergine 2.3g 15
> Calories in Beans 8-18g Medium
> Beetroot 8g 38
> Broccoli 2g 32
> Brussels Sprouts 4g 40
> Cabbage average 4g 24
> Carrot 8g 32
> Cauliflower 3g 32
> Celery 1g 8
> Chicory 3g 10
> Courgette 2g 20
> Cucumber 1.5g 10
> Fennel 1.9g 13
> Gherkins 2.8g 15
> Gourd 1g 12
> Leek 3g 22
> Lettuce (average) 1.5g 13
> Marrow 2g 10
> Mushroom 0.5g 12
> Okra 3g 30
> Onion 8g 35
> Onion Spring 6g 23
> Parsnip 12g 60
> Calories in Peas 10-15g Medium
> Peppers 1.6g 18
> Potato Calories 15-25g low-med
> Pumpkin 2.1g 12
> Radish 2g 13
> Spinach 1.5g 23
> Swede 5g 22
> Sweetcorn 2g 24
> Tomatoes 3g 18
> Turnip 4.5g 21
> Watercress 0.3g 21
> Yam 27g 110
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
> > carbohydrates <<
>
> > If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
> > stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
> > raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> > > carbohydrates <<
>
> > > "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> > > One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> > > carbohydrate.
>
> > > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> > > bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> > > antinutrient. <<
>
> > > You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> > > Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> > > Pretty much.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > > > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > > > carbohydrates.
> > > > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > > > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > > > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > > > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > > > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > > > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
>
> > > > Taka- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On Apr 16, 9:33 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:50X
more on average. <<
Whoops .. one cup is about 229 grams sooo .. raisins would be about 50
grams per 100 grams thereabouts .. still much more than anything ..
Soooo .. 'reverse engineering' .. shows .. ?
A few years back they showed raisins offset .. totally .. the
oxidative stress associated with a .. **marathon** .. and NOW .. a few
years LATER .. ? .. "carbohydrates alleviate crippling fatigue in a
child" ..
Let's keep our fingers .. crossed.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
> On Apr 16, 9:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:one
> might wonder IF raisins are a good source of carbohydrates .. <<
>
> Well .. well .. well ..
>
> Raisins ARE carbohydrates ..
> They have taken the .. "BE the carbohydrate" .. to a new level .. 50X
> more on average.
>
> They have become ONE .. with .. the carbohydrate ..
>
> You will be hardpressed to find anything BUT carbohydrates IN the
> raisin ..
>
> Which would give credence to the carbohydrate intake offsetting the
> problems associated with exercise BECAUSE raisins are SO efficient /
> efficacy .. AT .. offsetting the problems associated with .. exercise.
>
> I wonder if they have any .. phosphates .. ?
>
> Food Item:Raisins, seedless
> Food Quantity: 1 cup
> Carbs: 115g
> Dietary Fiber: 5.4g
> Net Carbs: 109.6g
>
> http :// www .weightlossforall,com /carbohydrates-vegetables.htm
> The table below lists amount of carbohydrates in vegetables per 100g
> (3.5 oz).
> Vegetable Carbohydrates Calories
> Asparagus 2g 26
> Aubergine 2.3g 15
> Calories in Beans 8-18g Medium
> Beetroot 8g 38
> Broccoli 2g 32
> Brussels Sprouts 4g 40
> Cabbage average 4g 24
> Carrot 8g 32
> Cauliflower 3g 32
> Celery 1g 8
> Chicory 3g 10
> Courgette 2g 20
> Cucumber 1.5g 10
> Fennel 1.9g 13
> Gherkins 2.8g 15
> Gourd 1g 12
> Leek 3g 22
> Lettuce (average) 1.5g 13
> Marrow 2g 10
> Mushroom 0.5g 12
> Okra 3g 30
> Onion 8g 35
> Onion Spring 6g 23
> Parsnip 12g 60
> Calories in Peas 10-15g Medium
> Peppers 1.6g 18
> Potato Calories 15-25g low-med
> Pumpkin 2.1g 12
> Radish 2g 13
> Spinach 1.5g 23
> Swede 5g 22
> Sweetcorn 2g 24
> Tomatoes 3g 18
> Turnip 4.5g 21
> Watercress 0.3g 21
> Yam 27g 110
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
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>
> > On Apr 16, 9:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:refined
> > carbohydrates <<
>
> > If a handful of raisins has been shown to TOTALLY offset the oxidative
> > stress in a marathon runner during his run .. one might wonder IF
> > raisins are a good source of carbohydrates ..
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
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> > > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:refined
> > > carbohydrates <<
>
> > > "pre-exercise dietary consumption of approximately 20 g carbohydrate"
>
> > > One might hope they used bananas instead of twinkies / refined
> > > carbohydrate.
>
> > > On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-
> > > bound phosphorus bioavailable? It looks to me more like an
> > > antinutrient. <<
>
> > > You are kinda .. behind ..
>
> > > Phytate has now been accepted as a .. good .. thing ..
>
> > > Pretty much.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http :// tinyurl,com /2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore! http :// tinyurl,com /a3cc3
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http :// tinyurl,com /zk9fk
>
> > > > phosphorus ... On Apr 15, 11:50 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
> > > > On Apr 16, 2:22 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 15, 6:04 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote: Phosphorus is
> > > > > depleted by carbohydrate processing/metabolism in the first place
> > > > > (like VitB1 is). <<
>
> > > > > I could not find a reference for this .. "depletion of thiamin /
> > > > > VitB1" .. that you made reference to.
> > > > > The best I could find is the increased usage of thiamin to digest
> > > > > carbohydrates.
> > > > > Butttt .. the curious thing here is that the carbohydrates contain
> > > > > thiamin and so logically the more carbohydrate you eat the more
> > > > > thiamin you ingest.
> > > > > It seems EVERY carbohydrate .. contains thiamin ..
>
> > > > > http :// www .vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B1-thiamine.php
>
> > > > > Thiamine (vitamin B1) is found in fortified breads, cereals, pasta,
> > > > > whole grains (especially wheat germ), dried beans, peas, and
> > > > > soybeans. Good sources of thiamine include wheat germ, dry beans,
> > > > > peas, enriched cereals and breads, pasta, nuts, and most vegetables.
> > > > > The richest food sources of vitamin B1 are brewer's or nutritional
> > > > > yeast, brown rice, legumes,nuts, peas, rice bran, dulse, kelp,
> > > > > spirulina, wheat germ and whole grains. A high carbohydrate diet will
> > > > > increase the need for thiamin.
>
> > > > Yep, but some refined carbohydrates and sugars/HCFS are not fortified
> > > > with VitB1 like the refined oils are not fortified with enough
> > > > antioxidants to counteract lipid peroxidation. I also have not heard
> > > > that refined carbohydrates are fortified with bioavailable
> > > > phosphorus ... Is the phytate-bound phosphorus bioavailable? It
> > > > looks to me more like an antinutrient.
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