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Strontium For Osteoporosis

Reply from: BoneLady
Date: 23 Apr 2008, 17:51
Strontium For Osteoporosis

Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. My
blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
updated periodically.

Reply from: trigonometry1972@gmail . com |
Date: 23 Apr 2008, 19:36
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

> On Apr 23, 8:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /.  My
> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> updated periodically

The blog took too long download when I wanted to comment for impatient
me.
The blog mentions also taking 1200 mg of calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium,
and a 1000 IU of D.

I'll suggest you use some other form than magnesium oxide as it
has quite poor absorbed out of the gut. Citrate or even sulfate
forms are better absorbed. Split the dose 3 or 4 ways to avoid
loose bowels.

Don't assume a 1000 IU of D is enough. If you are made of
money have your late winter serum value checked as the
is likely your yearly nadir value for 25 OH vitamin D.
Choose vitamin D3 especially if you are taking large
loading dose. The body doesn't hang on to the so-called
vitamin D2 (really analog to what is the real vitamin....Vitamin D3).
Consider taking a higher dose during the Fall and Winter months.
Also consider taking a large vitamin K2. And there are
various forms of K2 the two that are available here in the
States over the counter are vitamin K2 MK-4 and MK-7.
If you live in Canada, Health Canada wants you to hurry
up and break a bone and die as the forbid vitamin K supplements.
For no good reasons other than the exercise of power.
Vitamin K helps to prevent ectopic
calcifications. Which is a bugaboo of the anti-vitamin crowd
when it comes to vitamin D use. Interestingly
high PTH levels caused by low vitamin D levels are
a risk factor for ectopic calcium deposits in the soft tissues.
Think milligrams not micrograms on the topic of vitamin K
supplementation.

Reply from: The Werewolf's Lair
Date: 23 Apr 2008, 23:24
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

--
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it". -- George
Santayana
<trigonometry1972@gmail . com > wrote in message
news:ee1bb584-3f71-4af9-85e1-99dcd0cb9df7@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
> On Apr 23, 8:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. My
> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> updated periodically

The blog took too long download when I wanted to comment for impatient
me.

You must be real impatient, as even with dial-up, this blog only takes a
minute to download so please come back and check it out and make your
comments.

The blog mentions also taking 1200 mg of calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium,
and a 1000 IU of D.

I'll suggest you use some other form than magnesium oxide as it
has quite poor absorbed out of the gut. Citrate or even sulfate
forms are better absorbed. Split the dose 3 or 4 ways to avoid
loose bowels.

Don't assume a 1000 IU of D is enough.

Clinical trials have shown that 1000 IU is a safe and effective amount for
Vitamin D. Taking too much D, as it is stored in the body, could result in
not only toxicity but loss of calicium from bone and calcium deposits in
arteries and organs.

If you are made of money have your late winter serum value checked as the
is likely your yearly nadir value for 25 OH vitamin D.
Choose vitamin D3 especially if you are taking large
loading dose. The body doesn't hang on to the so-called
vitamin D2 (really analog to what is the real vitamin....Vitamin D3).
Consider taking a higher dose during the Fall and Winter months.
Also consider taking a large vitamin K2. And there are
various forms of K2 the two that are available here in the
States over the counter are vitamin K2 MK-4 and MK-7.
If you live in Canada, Health Canada wants you to hurry
up and break a bone and die as the forbid vitamin K supplements.
For no good reasons other than the exercise of power.
Vitamin K helps to prevent ectopic
calcifications. Which is a bugaboo of the anti-vitamin crowd
when it comes to vitamin D use. Interestingly
high PTH levels caused by low vitamin D levels are
a risk factor for ectopic calcium deposits in the soft tissues.
Think milligrams not micrograms on the topic of vitamin K
supplementation.



Reply from: Kevysmom
Date: 23 Apr 2008, 23:43
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

> "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it". -- George
> Santayana


I hope not, I would hate another 4 more years of a republican
president.




On Apr 23, 5:24 pm, "The Werewolf's Lair" <werewolfk...@earthlink . net >
wrote:
> --
> "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it". -- George
> Santayana<trigonometry1...@gmail . com > wrote in message
>
> news:ee1bb584-3f71-4af9-85e1-99dcd0cb9df7@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups . com ...
>
> > On Apr 23, 8:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> > Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> > information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> > Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. My
> > blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> > updated periodically
>
> The blog took too long download when I wanted to comment for impatient
> me.
>
> You must be real impatient, as even with dial-up, this blog only takes a
> minute to download so please come back and check it out and make your
> comments.
>
> The blog mentions also taking 1200 mg of calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium,
> and a 1000 IU of D.
>
> I'll suggest you use some other form than magnesium oxide as it
> has quite poor absorbed out of the gut. Citrate or even sulfate
> forms are better absorbed. Split the dose 3 or 4 ways to avoid
> loose bowels.
>
> Don't assume a 1000 IU of D is enough.
>
> Clinical trials have shown that 1000 IU is a safe and effective amount for=

> Vitamin D. Taking too much D, as it is stored in the body, could result in=

> not only toxicity but loss of calicium from bone and calcium deposits in
> arteries and organs.
>
> If you are made of money have your late winter serum value checked as the
> is likely your yearly nadir value for 25 OH vitamin D.
> Choose vitamin D3 especially if you are taking large
> loading dose. The body doesn't hang on to the so-called
> vitamin D2 (really analog to what is the real vitamin....Vitamin D3).
> Consider taking a higher dose during the Fall and Winter months.
> Also consider taking a large vitamin K2. And there are
> various forms of K2 the two that are available here in the
> States over the counter are vitamin K2 MK-4 and MK-7.
> If you live in Canada, Health Canada wants you to hurry
> up and break a bone and die as the forbid vitamin K supplements.
> For no good reasons other than the exercise of power.
> Vitamin K helps to prevent ectopic
> calcifications. Which is a bugaboo of the anti-vitamin crowd
> when it comes to vitamin D use. Interestingly
> high PTH levels caused by low vitamin D levels are
> a risk factor for ectopic calcium deposits in the soft tissues.
> Think milligrams not micrograms on the topic of vitamin K
> supplementation.


Reply from: BoneLady
Date: 24 Apr 2008, 22:14
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 23, 1:36 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail . com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > On Apr 23, 8:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> > Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> > information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> > Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /.  My
> > blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> > updated periodically
>
> The blog took too long download when I wanted to comment for impatient
> me.

Try being more patient. My blog has been tested on dial-up and only
takes less than a minute to load on 50Kps service.

> The blog mentions also taking 1200 mg of calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium,
> and a 1000 IU of D.
>
> I'll suggest you use some other form than magnesium oxide as it
> has quite poor absorbed out of the gut. Citrate or even sulfate
> forms are better absorbed. Split the dose 3 or 4 ways to avoid
> loose bowels.
>
> Don't assume a 1000 IU of D is enough. If you are made of
> money have your late winter serum value checked as the
> is likely your yearly nadir value for 25 OH vitamin D.
> Choose vitamin D3 especially if you are taking large
> loading dose. The body doesn't hang on to the so-called
> vitamin D2 (really analog to what is the real vitamin....Vitamin D3).
> Consider taking a higher dose during the Fall and Winter months.
> Also consider taking a large vitamin K2. And there are
> various forms of K2 the two that are available here in the
> States over the counter are vitamin K2 MK-4 and MK-7.
> If you live in Canada, Health Canada wants you to hurry
> up and break a bone and die as the forbid vitamin K supplements.
> For no good reasons other than the exercise of power.
> Vitamin K helps to prevent ectopic
> calcifications. Which is a bugaboo of the anti-vitamin crowd
> when it comes to vitamin D use. Interestingly
> high PTH levels caused by low vitamin D levels are
> a risk factor for ectopic calcium deposits in the soft tissues.
> Think milligrams not micrograms on the topic of vitamin K
> supplementation.


Reply from: Taka
Date: 25 Apr 2008, 03:16
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

IMHO boron is better and safer than Strontium for bone and cartilage
health - do a search on it and see. Many parts of the World's soil
are depleted of boron. I haven't seen yet how it actually works on
molecular level but it looks like it has something to do with the
membranes and lipid metabolism.

Taka

Reply from: Marshall Price
Date: 04 May 2008, 00:33
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

BoneLady wrote:
> On Apr 23, 1:36 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail . com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>> On Apr 23, 8:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>>> Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. My
>>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>>> updated periodically
>> The blog took too long download when I wanted to comment for impatient
>> me.
>
> Try being more patient. My blog has been tested on dial-up and only
> takes less than a minute to load on 50Kps service.

I found it surprising that strontium (atomic number 38, directly
below calcium in the periodic table) not only encourages osteoblasts and
discourages osteoclasts, but it also enters sufficiently into bone
mineralization to "confuse" the radiologists so they have to distinguish
between real bone "density" and the "density" caused by the greater
radio-opacity of strontium compared to calcium.

It makes me wonder how important strontium is in human nutrition, how
abundant it is, and whether it ought to be added to soils.

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Reply from: Ron Peterson
Date: 24 Apr 2008, 00:12
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /.  My
> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> updated periodically.

I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
it difficult to recommend.

And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
BMD tests.

The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.

--
Ron


Reply from: BoneLady
Date: 24 Apr 2008, 18:20
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. >
> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
> it difficult to recommend.
>
> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
> BMD tests.
>
> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
>
> --
>     Multiple clinical trials conducted since the 1950s using strontiu=
m gluconate,carbonate,lactate and chloride have attested to the efficacy of =
supplemental strontium in building strong bones. The ranelate studies are mo=
re recent. It is the elemental strontium itself that does the bone building.=
Strontium citrate has the advantage of better gastric tolerance.See my blog=
for links to some of the clinical studies. The person reading your dexa sca=
n should make adjustments to the reading if you have been taking strontium. =
See * w w w .osteopenia3 . com /Strontium-dexa-scan.html.
BoneLady at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /


Reply from: Marshall Price
Date: 04 May 2008, 00:39
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

BoneLady wrote:
> On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>>> osteoporosis? at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. >
>> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
>> it difficult to recommend.
>>
>> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
>> BMD tests.
>>
>> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
>> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
>>
>> --
>> Multiple clinical trials conducted since the 1950s using strontium gluconate,carbonate,lactate and chloride have attested to the efficacy of supplemental strontium in building strong bones. The ranelate studies are more recent. It is the elemental strontium itself that does the bone building. Strontium citrate has the advantage of better gastric tolerance.See my blog for links to some of the clinical studies. The person reading your dexa scan should make adjustments to the reading if you have been taking strontium. See * w w w .osteopenia3 . com /Strontium-dexa-scan.html.
> BoneLady at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /
>

Say, BoneLady, if you could limit the length of your lines to 72
characters, it'd make life easier for some of us. I hate having to
fetch my mouse out of storage! :-)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Reply from: BoneLady
Date: 24 Apr 2008, 21:43
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> > Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> > information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> > Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /.  My
> > blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> > updated periodically.
>
> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
> it difficult to recommend.
>
> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
> BMD tests.
>
> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
>
> --
>     Ron

Strontium is considered to be an essential nutrient like calcium and
is available in small amounts from food. It is believed that the
strontium-calcium bone matrix is far stronger than calcium matrix
alone.

Reply from: Ron Peterson
Date: 30 Apr 2008, 23:44
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 24, 2:43 pm, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:

> > I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
> > it difficult to recommend.

> Strontium is considered to be an essential nutrient like calcium and
> is available in small amounts from food. It is believed that the
> strontium-calcium bone matrix is far stronger than calcium matrix
> alone.

Who considers strontium to be an essential nutrient?

Is there a study that indicates that strontium in the bone matrix is
the cause of higher bone strength?

--
Ron


Reply from: Bruce in Bangkok
Date: 01 May 2008, 02:26
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Ron Peterson
<ron@shell.core . com > wrote:

>On Apr 24, 2:43 pm, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
>
>> > I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
>> > it difficult to recommend.
>
>> Strontium is considered to be an essential nutrient like calcium and
>> is available in small amounts from food. It is believed that the
>> strontium-calcium bone matrix is far stronger than calcium matrix
>> alone.
>
>Who considers strontium to be an essential nutrient?
>
>Is there a study that indicates that strontium in the bone matrix is
>the cause of higher bone strength?

The physician's information sheet packed with the Strontium Renelate I
am taking includes some details of the studies made:

Two placebo controlled phase III studies: SOTI and TROPOS study. SOTI
involved 1,649 postmenopausal women with established osteoporosis (low
lumber BMD and prevalent vertebral fracture) and a mean age of 70
years....1,556 patients over 80 years at inclusion...reduced the
relative risk of fracture by 41 % over 3 years in the SOTI study
(table 1)...


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Reply from: Ron Peterson
Date: 04 May 2008, 00:36
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

On Apr 30, 7:26 pm, Bruce in Bangkok
<decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Ron Peterson
>
>
>
> <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
> >On Apr 24, 2:43 pm, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
> >> On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
>
> >> > I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that make=
s
> >> > it difficult to recommend.
>
> >> Strontium is considered to be an essential nutrient like calcium and
> >> is available in small amounts from food. It is believed that the
> >> strontium-calcium bone matrix is far stronger than calcium matrix
> >> alone.
>
> >Who considers strontium to be an essential nutrient?
>
> >Is there a study that indicates that strontium in the bone matrix is
> >the cause of higher bone strength?
>
> The physician's information sheet packed with the Strontium Renelate I
> am taking includes some details of the studies made:
>
> Two placebo controlled phase III studies: SOTI and TROPOS study. SOTI
> involved 1,649 postmenopausal women with established osteoporosis (low
> lumber BMD and prevalent vertebral fracture) and a mean age of 70
> years....1,556 patients over 80 years at inclusion...reduced the
> relative risk of fracture by 41 % over 3 years in the SOTI study
> (table 1)...

Does the information sheet analyze why the drug reduces the relative
risk of fracture? Is it due to the strontium in the bone matrix?

--
Ron


Reply from: Marshall Price
Date: 04 May 2008, 01:06
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis

BoneLady wrote:
> On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core . com > wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail . com > wrote:
>>
>>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>>> Strontium For Bones at * strontiumforbones.blogspot . com /. My
>>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>>> updated periodically.
>> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
>> it difficult to recommend.
>>
>> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
>> BMD tests.
>>
>> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
>> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
>>
>> --
>> Ron
>
> Strontium is considered to be an essential nutrient like calcium and
> is available in small amounts from food. It is believed that the
> strontium-calcium bone matrix is far stronger than calcium matrix
> alone.

"Essential" usually has a special meaning in nutrition. Calcium is a
"major mineral," while strontium is rarely mentioned in nutrition
textbooks, and is usually treated as a "trace element" or micronutrient.

You'll find some interesting information about it if you use Google
to search for:

strontium -kscripts site:orthomolecular.org

Their emphasis is on schizophrenia, but their investigations into
micronutrients are coming up with interesting findings.

(Incidentally, the worldwide contamination of soils with strontium-90
during the era of atom bomb testing suggests another reason for
considering the addition strontium to soils.)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c


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