Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killerTaka wrote:
> On Jun 13, 9:39 pm, MattLB <mat...@angelfire,com > wrote:
>> There is no switch. Whether burning fat or glucose it's all in the
>> form of Acetyl CoA by the time the mitochondrion gets going on it.
>>
>>> The efficiency of burning fat is lower
>> In what way? The energy output per molecule is much higher than
>> glucose.
>
> Perhaps depending on the chain length ... Energy (ATP) can be
> produced from glucose anaerobically, i.e. without oxygen what means
> without mitochondria. This is impossible with fatty acids so the
> energy production from fat is more "mitochondria costly" and requires
> complicated biochemistry (membrane bound enzymatic systems). You need
> highly differentiated cells at least in terms of mitochondria to
> efficiently produce energy from fat, these are not the malignant cells
> which went back to the embryonic state in a sense.
>
>>> There are no cells without mitochondria
>> Red blood cells have no mitochondria.
>
> You caught me, but I would not consider these true cells because they
> have no nuclear DNA/chromosomes either and cannot reproduce (at least
> in primates).
Of course they're true cells, and the fact that they don't reproduce
is nothing unusual. Most cells don't reproduce.
I think you've got to review the Cori cycle to understand how
anaerobic metabolism in muscle and red blood cells relies on the
*liver's* ability to oxidize lactate into pyruvate, and look more
closely into how cancer interferes with apoptosis. Here's a passage
from /MBOC4/ p1010 on how important and normal apoptosis is:
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Programmed cell death (apoptosis)
The cells of a multicellular organism are members of a highly organized
community. The number of cells in this community is tightly regulated -
not simply by controlling the rate of cell division, but also by
controlling the rate of cell death. If cells are no longer needed, they
commit suicide by activating an intracellular death program. This
process is therefore called *programmed cell death,* although it is more
commonly called *apoptosis* (from a Greek word meaning "falling off," as
leaves from a tree).
The amount of apoptosis that occurs in developing and adult animal
tissues can be astonishing. In the developing vertebrate nervous system,
for example, up to half or more of the nerve cells normally die soon
after they are formed. In a healthy adult human, billions of cells die
in the bone marrow and intestine every hour. It seems remarkably
wasteful for so many cells to die, especially as the vast majority are
perfectly healthy at the time they kill themselves. What purposes does
this massive cell death serve?
In some cases, the answers are clear. Mouse paws, for example, are
sculpted by cell death during embryonic development: they start out as
spadelike structures, and the individual digits separate only as the
cells between them die (Figure 17-35). In many other cases, cell death
helps regulate cell numbers. In the developing nervous system, for
example, cell death adjusts the number of nerve cells to match the
number of target cells that require innervation. In all these cases, the
cells die by apoptosis.
In adult tissues, cell death exactly balances cell division. If this
were not so, the tissue would grow or shrink. If part of the liver is
removed in an adult rat, for example, liver cell proliferation increases
to make up for the loss. Conversely, if a rat is treated with the drug
phenobarbital - which stimulates liver cell division (and thereby liver
enlargement) - and then the phenobarbital treatment is stopped,
apoptosis in the liver greatly increases until the liver has returned to
its original size, usually within a week or so. Thus, the liver is kept
at a constant size through the regulation of both the cell death and the
cell birth rate.
...
The intracellular machinery responsible for apoptosis seems to be
similar in all animal cells. This machinery depends on a family of
proteases that have a cysteine at their active site and cleave their
target proteins at specific aspartic acids. They are therefore called
*caspases.* Caspases are synthesized in the cell as inactive precursors,
or /procaspases,/ which are usually activated by cleavage at aspartic
acids by other caspases (Figure 17-38A). Once activated, caspases
cleave, and thereby activate other procaspases, resulting in an
amplifying proteolytic cascade (Figure 17-38B). Some of the activated
caspases then cleave other key proteins in the cell. Some cleave the
nuclear lamins, for example, causing the irreversible breakdown of the
nuclear lamina; another cleaves a protein that normally holds a
DNA-degrading enzyme (a DNAse) in an inactive form, freeing the DNAse to
cut up the DNA in the cell nucleus. In this way, the cell dismantles
itself quickly and neatly, and its corpse is rapidly taken up and
digested by another cell.
Activation of the intracellular death pathway, like entry into a new
stage of the cell cycle, is usually triggered in a complete, all-or-none
fashion. The protease cascade is not only destructive and
self-amplifying but also irreversible, so that once a cell reaches a
critical point along the path to destruction, it cannot turn back.
...
In the best understood pathway, mitochondria are induced to release the
electron carrier protein /cytochrome c/ (see Figure 14-26) into the
cytosol, where it binds and activates an adaptor protein called *Apaf-1*
(Figure 17-39B). This mitochondrial pathway of procaspase activation is
recruited in most forms of apoptosis to initiate or to accelerate and
amplify the caspase cascade. DNA damage, for example, as discussed
earlier, can trigger apoptosis. This response usually requires p53,
which can activate the transcription of genes that encode proteins that
promote the release of cytochrome /c/ from mitochondria. These proteins
belong to the Bcl-2 family.
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So it's no coincidence that cancerous cells' mitochondria aren't
"healthy." Cancer thrives by interfering with mechanisms in the
mitochondrion which ordinarily would cause the orderly death and
disintegration of the cell, *but* it does so without interfering with
those cell functions it needs to survive and grow.
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c