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"Hypogonadism is not infrequent"
Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
clomiphene citrate
AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
01805, USA.
Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
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http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
effected.
And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
clomiphene citrate
AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
01805, USA.
Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
effected.
And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
DDT in animal studies takes out the gonads I hear ... weakens uterine walls
of animals as well ... or what passes for that. Paraquat, Agent Orange,
other green killers on land, kill the green in the sea after it washes down
stream ... once you kill the oceans ... then people die. Not to worry, take
a pill. sumbuddie wear blind sea :/
in article
3db075cb-180e-4fab-8ae7-97d8433ec4c7@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 8:10 AM:
> "Hypogonadism is not infrequent"
>
> Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
> secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
> clomiphene citrate
> AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
> Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
> 01805, USA.
>
> Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
> patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
> dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
> desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
> treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
> circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
> pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
> extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
> restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
> could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
> cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
> androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
> testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
> is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
> sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
> the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
> erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
> This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
> treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
> Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
> testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
> clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
> function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
> tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
> limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
> that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
> patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
> universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
> thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
> relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
> Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
> Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
>
>
> ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
> Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
> glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
> evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
> testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
> affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
> all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
> effected.
> And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
>
>
of animals as well ... or what passes for that. Paraquat, Agent Orange,
other green killers on land, kill the green in the sea after it washes down
stream ... once you kill the oceans ... then people die. Not to worry, take
a pill. sumbuddie wear blind sea :/
in article
3db075cb-180e-4fab-8ae7-97d8433ec4c7@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 8:10 AM:
> "Hypogonadism is not infrequent"
>
> Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
> secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
> clomiphene citrate
> AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
> Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
> 01805, USA.
>
> Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
> patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
> dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
> desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
> treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
> circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
> pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
> extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
> restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
> could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
> cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
> androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
> testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
> is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
> sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
> the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
> erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
> This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
> treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
> Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
> testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
> clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
> function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
> tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
> limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
> that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
> patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
> universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
> thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
> relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
> Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
> Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
>
>
> ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
> Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
> glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
> evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
> testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
> affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
> all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
> effected.
> And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
>
>
On May 11, 8:44 am, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net>
wrote:DDT , Paraquat, Agent Orange <<
Actually the post is about how testosterone doesn't seem to work ..
for some reason .. even THOUGH there seems to BE a connection of low
testosterone TO .. flaccidity.
Does DDT show a low testosterone NOT amendable to testosterone
repletion .. ?
How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
Iron causes low testosterone which IS .. amendable by iron depletion .
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> DDT in animal studies takes out the gonads I hear ... weakens uterine wall=
s
> of animals as well ... or what passes for that. Paraquat, Agent Orange,
> other green killers on land, kill the green in the sea after it washes dow=
n
> stream ... once you kill the oceans ... then people die. Not to worry, =
take
> a pill. sumbuddie wear blind sea :/
>
> in article
> 3db075cb-180e-4fab-8ae7-97d8433ec...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
> ironjustice at teamtan...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 8:10 AM:
>
>
>
> > "Hypogonadism is not infrequent"
>
> > Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
> > secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
> > clomiphene citrate
> > AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
> > Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
> > 01805, USA.
>
> > Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
> > patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
> > dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
> > desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
> > treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
> > circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
> > pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
> > extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
> > restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
> > could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
> > cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
> > androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
> > testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
> > is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
> > sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
> > the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
> > erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
> > This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
> > treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
> > Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
> > testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
> > clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
> > function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
> > tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
> > limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
> > that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
> > patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
> > universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
> > thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
> > relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
> > Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
> > Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
> > --
>
> >http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
>
> > ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
> > Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
> > glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
> > evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
> > testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
> > affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
> > all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
> > effected.
> > And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!
> >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
wrote:DDT , Paraquat, Agent Orange <<
Actually the post is about how testosterone doesn't seem to work ..
for some reason .. even THOUGH there seems to BE a connection of low
testosterone TO .. flaccidity.
Does DDT show a low testosterone NOT amendable to testosterone
repletion .. ?
How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
Iron causes low testosterone which IS .. amendable by iron depletion .
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> DDT in animal studies takes out the gonads I hear ... weakens uterine wall=
s
> of animals as well ... or what passes for that. Paraquat, Agent Orange,
> other green killers on land, kill the green in the sea after it washes dow=
n
> stream ... once you kill the oceans ... then people die. Not to worry, =
take
> a pill. sumbuddie wear blind sea :/
>
> in article
> 3db075cb-180e-4fab-8ae7-97d8433ec...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
> ironjustice at teamtan...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 8:10 AM:
>
>
>
> > "Hypogonadism is not infrequent"
>
> > Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with
> > secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with
> > clomiphene citrate
> > AT Guay, S Bansal and GJ Heatley
> > Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts
> > 01805, USA.
>
> > Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older
> > patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile
> > dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual
> > desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually
> > treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the
> > circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-
> > pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although
> > extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in
> > restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response
> > could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a
> > cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating
> > androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous
> > testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it
> > is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in
> > sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured
> > the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with
> > erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism.
> > This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of
> > treatment with clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each.
> > Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free
> > testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to
> > clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual
> > function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile
> > tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some
> > limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed
> > that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-
> > patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not
> > universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal,
> > thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect
> > relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
> > Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Vol 80, 3546-3552,
> > Copyright © 1995 by Endocrine Society
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
> > --
>
> >http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150
>
> > ENDOCRINE IMBALANCE: THYROID, ADRENALS, DIABETES
> > Iron has a marked affinity for the different glands. One of the first
> > glands that is affected is the pituitary, and it is common to find
> > evidence of low pituitary hormones. Testosterone production in the
> > testicles is reduced and this can cause impotence. Iron can also
> > affect the thyroid, and the adrenal glands and will eventually affect
> > all tissues if untreated, but endocrine tissues are the most
> > effected.
> > And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> >http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!
> >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
in article
228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f1a9@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
> Does DDT show a low testosterone NOT amendable to testosterone
> repletion .. ?
DDT shrinks them up and cuts down that sperm count like you would not
beleive ... give it a go ... see what happens.
Of course all we really have is a few ad hoc animal studies ... US Govt has
their reasons in keeping such things quiet and not connect it up to our
children ... there is a war on you know. Better get a helmet. Jonestown
nutters under attack. Tornado deaths up 400%.
228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f1a9@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
> Does DDT show a low testosterone NOT amendable to testosterone
> repletion .. ?
DDT shrinks them up and cuts down that sperm count like you would not
beleive ... give it a go ... see what happens.
Of course all we really have is a few ad hoc animal studies ... US Govt has
their reasons in keeping such things quiet and not connect it up to our
children ... there is a war on you know. Better get a helmet. Jonestown
nutters under attack. Tornado deaths up 400%.
in article
228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f1a9@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
> How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
Same thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what
happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher animal
studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium time.
228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f1a9@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
ironjustice at teamtanner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
> How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
Same thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what
happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher animal
studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium time.
On May 11, 4:10 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote:Same
thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what
happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher
animal
studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium
time. <<
Getting .. real .. for a second ..
Before technology .. before paraquat or agent orange .. the FACT ..
remains .. the ONLY treatment that worked for this .. hypogonadism ..
was bloodletting.
THAT is a coincidence to anyone with .. credentials .. though ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> in article
> 228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
> ironjustice at teamtan...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
>
> > How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
>
> Same thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what=
> happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher anim=
al
> studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium tim=
e.
thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what
happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher
animal
studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium
time. <<
Getting .. real .. for a second ..
Before technology .. before paraquat or agent orange .. the FACT ..
remains .. the ONLY treatment that worked for this .. hypogonadism ..
was bloodletting.
THAT is a coincidence to anyone with .. credentials .. though ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> in article
> 228482ef-4190-41ec-8d2d-478b9118f...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
> ironjustice at teamtan...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 10:03 AM:
>
> > How about Paraquat, Agent Orange.. ?
>
> Same thing ... drink up some Agent Orange or any green killer and see what=
> happens to the gonads ... only a few Disabled Veteran stories, higher anim=
al
> studies to go off from - no real science here. Sorry for the podium tim=
e.
