Become A fruitarian

Become A fruitarian

Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet.The fruitarian diet is
based on the idea that primitive humans ate only raw fruits and
vegetables.Some individuals use brief fruitarian diets for weight
loss. How to become a fruitarian? Want to become a fruitarian? Check
my site.

* what-is-a-fruitarian.blogspot . com /

Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 12, 8:54=A0am, Fred45 <fred44...@yahoo . com > wrote:
Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet.The fruitarian diet is
based on the idea that primitive humans ate only raw fruits and
vegetables.Some individuals use brief fruitarian diets for weight
loss. How to become a fruitarian? Want to become a fruitarian? Check
my site.

* what-is-a-fruitarian.blogspot . com /<<

You may be right ..

* w w w .msnbc.msn . com /id/24388112/

Nutcracker Man strangely preferred fruits
New dental study challenges long-held beliefs about hominids=92 diets

Now though .. we can bake and stuff.


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Re: Become A fruitarian

As you get older, your body will be in trouble due to not enough high-
quality protein (and probably not enough protein in general). You
also may not get enough of certain vitamins and minerals, though if
you were willing to supplement with nutritional yeast, that could help
quite a bit.

Re: Become A fruitarian

monty1945@lycos . com wrote:
> As you get older, your body will be in trouble due to not enough high-
> quality protein (and probably not enough protein in general). You
> also may not get enough of certain vitamins and minerals, though if
> you were willing to supplement with nutritional yeast, that could help
> quite a bit.

Are you suggesting that people need more protein late in life than
they do in middle age? Why?

--
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Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 20, 6:54 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> monty1...@lycos . com wrote:
> > As you get older, your body will be in trouble due to not enough high-
> > quality protein (and probably not enough protein in general).  You
> > also may not get enough of certain vitamins and minerals, though if
> > you were willing to supplement with nutritional yeast, that could help
> > quite a bit.

>    Are you suggesting that people need more protein late in life than
> they do in middle age?  Why?

People consume less food as they age, but their protein needs remain
the same, so they need a higher percentage of protein in the diet.

It's well known that dogs, in particular, need a higher percentage of
protein as they age.

--
Ron

Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 12, 10:54 am, Fred45 <fred44...@yahoo . com > wrote:
> Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet.The fruitarian diet is

Beauty has nothing to do with nutrition.

> based on the idea that primitive humans ate only raw fruits and

Which is wrong.

> vegetables.Some individuals use brief fruitarian diets for weight

Malnourishment will do that. But I would not recommend it.

> loss. How to become a fruitarian? Want to become a fruitarian? Check
> my site.
>
> * what-is-a-fruitarian.blogspot . com /

Try reading some basics of nutrition. Vitamins, minerals, essential
proteins and fats, etc. Then see how fruits are deficient in many of
those essential nutrients.

* w w w .nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Without animal sourced foods you will be malnourished.

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Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 21, 3:58 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail . com > wrote:
> On May 21, 2:37 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol . com > wrote:

I've found no reason/evidence that H. Sapiens digestive system
> > prevents humans from thriving on a similar diet with more fruit
> > availability today.
>
> > > Without animal sourced foods you will be malnourished.
>
> > Name 1 unobtainable nutrient for someone eating mostly fruit/avoiding
> > animal food.
>
> It is impossible for vegans
I'm not fruitarian or "vegan". I'm a frugivore (digesting fruit best &
eating more fruit than other types of food).

>to get the *optimal* amounts of the
> following:
>
> vitamin B-12

B12 is a generic term for cobalamin (which you listed as a separate
"nutrient deficiency for vegans") for a biosynthesized vitamin from
bacterial enzymes/micro-organisms. Even though "animals can not
produce B12" animals can synthesize B12 & humans/chimps/some
herbivores even absorb some synthesized B12. "B vitamins also are
synthesized by hindgut bacteria, but the extent to which they are
absorbed from the hindgut is unclear. Wrong et al. concluded that
there was good evidence that nicotinic acid, riboflavin, pantothenic
acid, thiamin, biotin, pyridoxine, folic acid, and vitamin B12 are
synthesized by microbes in the human colon, and all but the first
three were absorbed to some degree."-Physiol. Rev. 78: 393-427,1998.
But not mice (obligate omnivores).

Frugivores obtain natural B12 from bacteria on plants & insects in/on
fruit in nature or through preparation of synthetic &/or natural
bacteria cultivated on plants for supplement. B12 is cultivated
organically from bacteria used to produce pills, which are a
reasonable supplement for the pollution/exploitation that has depleted
B12 normally found on unwashed fruit. It seems a natural reaction that
most vegans take B12 supplements considering the alternative can be to
supplement dairy-filled diets w/decongestant pills & skin-care
products (as I did).

B12 has been measured in natural drinking water.
"Vitamin B12 is almost the universal product of bacterial action. So
it dawned on him that it might have come from natural drinking water -
which would have had many bacteria in its catchment area. He tested
the water in the Yarra River near Warburton Adventist Hospital in
Australia. The river water there is good drinking quality. When he
tested it, he found one litre (two pints) of the water contained the
Recommended Daily Allowance of Vitamin B12.'

B12 is found in naturally growing unmanured/control crops. .29 kg dry
spinach contains 2Mcg. B-12 Data from Mozafar [1994] and Estimated
Weights of Plant Foods Required to Supply 2 Mcg of B-12.

I had a rash develop (B12 deficiency?) during a slight drought,
several months before blueberry season/feijoa bloomed. After a few
visits to undisturbed forest to load up on "low growing shiny
blueberry" natives (I ate some sand w/these berries), the rash went
away. I've also eaten the feijoa petals growing above a sandy area of
my backyard/unfertilized. I don't know if the rash was a result of B12
deficiency or not. I do know this is the way fruit is supposed to
taste. On days I have no ripe fruit in yard or cant' make it to the
forest I drink hemp milk w/B12 & "Vitamin D" in it. I'm in the best
overall health of my life eating mainly fruit/no animals.

Why do you say it's "impossible for vegans to get the optimal amount
of B12" at the top of your list of "nutrient deficient diet" for
"vegans"? After B12 is covered we can go to the next on your list as
I'll be more likely to take the mineral "malabsorption" warning more
seriously (among others) if I believe you are also serious because it
seems like you just put together a list for me to jump through hoops.
Some of your list was covered/undisputed recently on a different
thread.

Organically,
Chris

Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 22, 4:43 am, crisology <crisol...@aol . com > wrote:
> On May 21, 3:58 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
> > On May 21, 2:37 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol . com > wrote:
>
> I've found no reason/evidence that H. Sapiens digestive system> > prevents=
humans from thriving on a similar diet with more fruit
> > > availability today.
>
> > > > Without animal sourced foods you will be malnourished.
>
> > > Name 1 unobtainable nutrient for someone eating mostly fruit/avoiding
> > > animal food.
>
> > It is impossible for vegans
>
> I'm not fruitarian or "vegan". I'm a frugivore (digesting fruit best &
> eating more fruit than other types of food).
>
> >to get the *optimal* amounts of the
> > following:
>
> > vitamin B-12
>
> B12 is a generic term for cobalamin (which you listed as a separate
> "nutrient deficiency for vegans") for a biosynthesized vitamin from
> bacterial enzymes/micro-organisms. Even though "animals can not
> produce B12" animals can synthesize B12 & humans/chimps/some
> herbivores even absorb some synthesized B12. "B vitamins also are
> synthesized by hindgut bacteria, but the extent to which they are
> absorbed from the hindgut is unclear. Wrong et al. concluded that
> there was good evidence that nicotinic acid, riboflavin, pantothenic
> acid, thiamin, biotin, pyridoxine, folic acid, and vitamin B12 are
> synthesized by microbes in the human colon, and all but the first
> three were absorbed to some degree."-Physiol. Rev. 78: 393-427,1998.
> But not mice (obligate omnivores).
>
> Frugivores obtain natural B12 from bacteria on plants & insects in/on
> fruit in nature or through preparation of synthetic &/or natural
> bacteria cultivated on plants for supplement. B12 is cultivated
> organically from bacteria used to produce pills, which are a
> reasonable supplement for the pollution/exploitation that has depleted
> B12 normally found on unwashed fruit. It seems a natural reaction that
> most vegans take B12 supplements considering the alternative can be to
> supplement dairy-filled diets w/decongestant pills & skin-care
> products (as I did).

Can you assure me that vegans, vegetarians, frugivores and fruitarians
are all trained enough to understand all that and that they all get
enough b-12 in their diets. If they need to take supplements then you
admit that the diet is deficient in b-12. It doesn't matter how much
produce they lick to get the feces and bacteria with the b-12, the
diet is deficient in b-12, period.

>
> B12 has been measured in natural drinking water.
> "Vitamin B12 is almost the universal product of bacterial action. So
> it dawned on him that it might have come from natural drinking water -
> which would have had many bacteria in its catchment area. He tested
> the water in the Yarra River near Warburton Adventist Hospital in
> Australia. The river water there is good drinking quality. When he
> tested it, he found one litre (two pints) of the water contained the
> Recommended Daily Allowance of Vitamin B12.'

The RDI's are ridiculously low to accomodate the food industry. Adn
how much can be gotten from drinking water? I don't buy that b-12 in
the water nonsense. For one, hopw much is left pver after the water is
processed, chlorinated, etc.

>
> B12 is found in naturally growing unmanured/control crops. .29 kg dry
> spinach contains 2Mcg. B-12 Data from Mozafar [1994] and Estimated
> Weights of Plant Foods Required to Supply 2 Mcg of B-12.
>
> I had a rash develop (B12 deficiency?) during a slight drought,
> several months before blueberry season/feijoa bloomed. After a few
> visits to undisturbed forest to load up on "low growing shiny
> blueberry" natives (I ate some sand w/these berries), the rash went
> away. I've also eaten the feijoa petals growing above a sandy area of
> my backyard/unfertilized. I don't know if the rash was a result of B12
> deficiency or not. I do know this is the way fruit is supposed to
> taste. On days I have no ripe fruit in yard or cant' make it to the
> forest I drink hemp milk w/B12 & "Vitamin D" in it. I'm in the best
> overall health of my life eating mainly fruit/no animals.
>
> Why do you say it's "impossible for vegans to get the optimal amount
> of B12" at the top of your list of "nutrient deficient diet" for
> "vegans"? After B12 is covered we can go to the next on your list as
> I'll be more likely to take the mineral "malabsorption" warning more
> seriously (among others) if I believe you are also serious because it
> seems like you just put together a list for me to jump through hoops.
> Some of your list was covered/undisputed recently on a different
> thread.
>
> Organically,
> Chris

Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 22, 12:24 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
> Can you assure me that vegans, vegetarians, frugivores and fruitarians
> are all trained enough

Your Honor, I have filed as exhibit A, my B12 training certification
document, replete w/before and after rash photos and samples of the
sand on unprocessed low growing shiny blueberry residues preserved
with labels of nutritional data from processed B12 sources. Enclosed
is a copy of my license showing that I am a feral primate and do
reside outside my ancestor's diminished native habitat. I am guilty of
purchasing chlorinated city water and using it to rinse potential
pesticide/bacteria off commercially purchased fruit. I have a
statement of a recent water bill paid in full.

> to understand all that and that they all get
> enough b-12 in their diets.
I'm not trying to speak for "they". I just attempt to obtain nutrients
as healthily/naturally/responsibly as possible based on experience and
info and like many people I'm agitated that I trusted advertisers/
products/those who inherited diets who lied/misinformed me about diet
in the past. If you can "assure me that [behavioral omnivores] are all
seeking to "understand all that and that they all [want to] get enough
b-12 in their diets [without meat/dairy]" then I just gave you a
blueprint for myself but I can't be liable if "they" get sloppy in
their choices of food/lifestyle & don't experience the same exact
results. I don't expect anybody to drop meat based on my personal
story or scientific references. It's almost a religion for many ppl to
eat meat or not eat meat and it's very emotional.

> If they need to take supplements then you
> admit that the diet is deficient in b-12.

I admitted that processed food/water is deficient in B12.

> It doesn't matter how much
> produce they

They? You said it is impossible to get optimal B12 without eating
animals/dairy. I refuted. Your response to the fact that B12 is easily
obtained in practical ways without meat/dairy?

> lick to get the feces and bacteria with the b-12, the
> diet is deficient in b-12, period.

My frugivorous diet is not deficient in B12. I obtain natural and
processed B12. You can "lick feces" or cow udders- neither is
necessary. I don't know where that came from if not an attempt to
portray B12 as something that requires extreme/unnatural behavior like
eating fresh fruit..

> The RDI's are ridiculously low to accomodate the food industry.

Generally it's the opposite. Can you elaborate? RDIs for Canadian B12
are 1 Mcg. In US it's 2 Mcg and I gave you data reflecting B12 amounts
higher than US RDI levels. Do you have ties to "the food industry"

> how much can be gotten from drinking water? I don't buy that b-12 in
> the water.

Good, rainwater should not be for sale. Don't fall for it.

> nonsense. For one, hopw much is left pver after the water is
> processed, chlorinated, etc.

I honestly can't tell if you are actually reading my post or the post
from ironjustice carefully because both of us clearly explained it is
the UNprocessed water sources that provide trace B12 and they are only
additional/potential sources for B12.

Sustainably,
Chris

Re: Become A fruitarian

crisology wrote:
> On May 22, 12:24 pm, TC <tunder...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>> Can you assure me that vegans, vegetarians, frugivores and fruitarians
>> are all trained enough
>
> Your Honor, I have filed as exhibit A, my B12 training certification
> document, replete w/before and after rash photos and samples of the
> sand on unprocessed low growing shiny blueberry residues preserved
> with labels of nutritional data from processed B12 sources. Enclosed
> is a copy of my license showing that I am a feral primate and do
> reside outside my ancestor's diminished native habitat. I am guilty of
> purchasing chlorinated city water and using it to rinse potential
> pesticide/bacteria off commercially purchased fruit. I have a
> statement of a recent water bill paid in full.
>
>> to understand all that and that they all get
>> enough b-12 in their diets.
> I'm not trying to speak for "they". I just attempt to obtain nutrients
> as healthily/naturally/responsibly as possible based on experience and
> info and like many people I'm agitated that I trusted advertisers/
> products/those who inherited diets who lied/misinformed me about diet
> in the past. If you can "assure me that [behavioral omnivores] are all
> seeking to "understand all that and that they all [want to] get enough
> b-12 in their diets [without meat/dairy]" then I just gave you a
> blueprint for myself but I can't be liable if "they" get sloppy in
> their choices of food/lifestyle & don't experience the same exact
> results. I don't expect anybody to drop meat based on my personal
> story or scientific references. It's almost a religion for many ppl to
> eat meat or not eat meat and it's very emotional.
>
>> If they need to take supplements then you
>> admit that the diet is deficient in b-12.
>
> I admitted that processed food/water is deficient in B12.
>
>> It doesn't matter how much
>> produce they
>
> They? You said it is impossible to get optimal B12 without eating
> animals/dairy. I refuted. Your response to the fact that B12 is easily
> obtained in practical ways without meat/dairy?
>
>> lick to get the feces and bacteria with the b-12, the
>> diet is deficient in b-12, period.
>
> My frugivorous diet is not deficient in B12. I obtain natural and
> processed B12. You can "lick feces" or cow udders- neither is
> necessary. I don't know where that came from if not an attempt to
> portray B12 as something that requires extreme/unnatural behavior like
> eating fresh fruit..
>
>> The RDI's are ridiculously low to accomodate the food industry.
>
> Generally it's the opposite. Can you elaborate? RDIs for Canadian B12
> are 1 Mcg. In US it's 2 Mcg and I gave you data reflecting B12 amounts
> higher than US RDI levels. Do you have ties to "the food industry"
>
>> how much can be gotten from drinking water? I don't buy that b-12 in
>> the water.
>
> Good, rainwater should not be for sale. Don't fall for it.
>
>> nonsense. For one, hopw much is left pver after the water is
>> processed, chlorinated, etc.
>
> I honestly can't tell if you are actually reading my post or the post
> from ironjustice carefully because both of us clearly explained it is
> the UNprocessed water sources that provide trace B12 and they are only
> additional/potential sources for B12.
>
> Sustainably,
> Chris

It occurs to me that vegans may have different intestinal "flora"
from omnivorous people, perhaps including organisms which are capable of
making either B-12 or rare and as yet unknown precursors of it. Perhaps
organisms considered parasites in the general population may act as
symbiotes in vegans.

--
Marshall Price of Miami
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Re: Become A fruitarian



Fred45 wrote:
> Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet.The fruitarian diet is
> based on the idea that primitive humans ate only raw fruits and
> vegetables.Some individuals use brief fruitarian diets for weight
> loss. How to become a fruitarian? Want to become a fruitarian? Check
> my site.
>
> * what-is-a-fruitarian.blogspot . com /

This is a loony idea. I'll point out that
without a B-12 source there will be a problem.
Though bugs parts from weevil infested grain
might provide enough B-12, I suppose.
Though I suppose you could
take a vitamin capsule.

One could try to get along on legumes, seeds, and nuts
for protein and likely fairly well. One will
likely be healthier with some animal protein
in their diet.

Re: Become A fruitarian

On May 21, 10:44 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail . com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail . com > wrote:This is a loony idea. I'll point
out that
without a B-12 source there will be a problem. <<

Have you ever wondered where a gorilla a chimp a marmoset a lemur a
fruit bat get their B-12 from .. ?

B-12 comes down to Earth from above in raindrops ..

How is it we seem to so low on B-12 .. ?

Who loves ya.
Tom


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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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Maybe .. pernicious anemia ..
> Fred45 wrote:
> > Fruit is the most beautiful food on the planet.The fruitarian diet is
> > based on the idea that primitive humans ate only raw fruits and
> > vegetables.Some individuals use brief fruitarian diets for weight
> > loss. How to become a fruitarian? Want to become a fruitarian? Check
> > my site.
>
> > * what-is-a-fruitarian.blogspot . com /
>
> This is a loony idea. I'll point out that
> without a B-12 source there will be a problem.
> Though bugs parts from weevil infested grain
> might provide enough B-12, I suppose.
> Though I suppose you could
> take a vitamin capsule.
>
> One could try to get along on legumes, seeds, and nuts
> for protein and likely fairly well. One will
> likely be healthier with some animal protein
> in their diet.