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Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
salt and caffeine
and I know some people who are in the same
position but cannot use
caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
very healthy choice.
I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
product may raise the BP,
so there must be some that do, but can they do it
safely?
TIA.
I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
salt and caffeine
and I know some people who are in the same
position but cannot use
caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
very healthy choice.
I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
product may raise the BP,
so there must be some that do, but can they do it
safely?
TIA.
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely?
I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic
web site.
http :// www .mayoclinic,com /health/blood-pressure/HI00053
"Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just
because they're natural. Various herbal
supplements can increase blood pressure or
interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure
medications.
Examples
* Bitter orange
* Ephedra (ma-huang)
* Ginseng
* Licorice
* St. John's wort
What to do
Check with your doctor before taking any herbal
supplements. You may need to avoid supplements
that raise your blood pressure or interfere with
your blood pressure medications."
Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of
these herbs is likely to be the safest?
TIA
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely?
I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic
web site.
http :// www .mayoclinic,com /health/blood-pressure/HI00053
"Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just
because they're natural. Various herbal
supplements can increase blood pressure or
interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure
medications.
Examples
* Bitter orange
* Ephedra (ma-huang)
* Ginseng
* Licorice
* St. John's wort
What to do
Check with your doctor before taking any herbal
supplements. You may need to avoid supplements
that raise your blood pressure or interfere with
your blood pressure medications."
Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of
these herbs is likely to be the safest?
TIA
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
RF wrote:
> RF wrote:
>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine
>> and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use
>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice.
>>
>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely?
>
>
> I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic web site.
> http :// www .mayoclinic,com /health/blood-pressure/HI00053
>
> "Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just because they're
> natural. Various herbal supplements can increase blood pressure or
> interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure medications.
>
> Examples
>
> * Bitter orange
> * Ephedra (ma-huang)
> * Ginseng
> * Licorice
> * St. John's wort
>
> What to do
> Check with your doctor before taking any herbal supplements. You may
> need to avoid supplements that raise your blood pressure or interfere
> with your blood pressure medications."
Very few doctors have a clue about supplements and just give a blanket
statement to avoid them; very few admit to lacking the necessary
information to make an informed decision. It is best to do the research
yourself, give the product a try if desired, and then tell your doctor
what you're doing. That requires him to make more of a case against if
that is his position.
> Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these herbs is likely
> to be the safest?
>
> TIA
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
RF wrote:
> RF wrote:
>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine
>> and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use
>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice.
>>
>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP,
>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely?
>
>
> I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic web site.
> http :// www .mayoclinic,com /health/blood-pressure/HI00053
>
> "Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just because they're
> natural. Various herbal supplements can increase blood pressure or
> interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure medications.
>
> Examples
>
> * Bitter orange
> * Ephedra (ma-huang)
> * Ginseng
> * Licorice
> * St. John's wort
>
> What to do
> Check with your doctor before taking any herbal supplements. You may
> need to avoid supplements that raise your blood pressure or interfere
> with your blood pressure medications."
Very few doctors have a clue about supplements and just give a blanket
statement to avoid them; very few admit to lacking the necessary
information to make an informed decision. It is best to do the research
yourself, give the product a try if desired, and then tell your doctor
what you're doing. That requires him to make more of a case against if
that is his position.
> Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these herbs is likely
> to be the safest?
>
> TIA
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article <69h923F33b8o0U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
>
> TIA.
Tyrosine
In article <69h923F33b8o0U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
>
> TIA.
Tyrosine
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
Rosemary and licorice might work.
alt.folklore.herbs added.
--
Juhana
Ravintoblogini:
http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
Rosemary and licorice might work.
alt.folklore.herbs added.
--
Juhana
Ravintoblogini:
http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article <69hu81F326pcmU1@mid.individual,net >,
"Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote:
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
Try
http :// www .holistic-online,com /Remedies/Heart/hypot_herbs-hypotension.htm
alt.folklore.herbs added.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
In article <69hu81F326pcmU1@mid.individual,net >,
"Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote:
RF wrote:
> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> salt and caffeine
> and I know some people who are in the same
> position but cannot use
> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> very healthy choice.
>
> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> product may raise the BP,
> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> safely?
Try
http :// www .holistic-online,com /Remedies/Heart/hypot_herbs-hypotension.htm
alt.folklore.herbs added.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
Bill I watched the Carlin Video you have attached to your post, Its
GREAT!, Thought you might like this video..
John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the
Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006.
Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in this part John
discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the reasons and background to
why we are at war in the Middle East
http :// video.google,com /videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%20and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en
On May 21, 11:06 am, Billy <wildbi...@getthe,net > wrote:
> In article <69hu81F326pc...@mid.individual,net >,
> "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > salt and caffeine
> > and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use
> > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > product may raise the BP,
> > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > safely?
>
> Try http :// www .holistic-online,com /Remedies/Heart/hypot herbs-hypotension...
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> --
>
> Billy
> Bush Behind Bars http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Bill I watched the Carlin Video you have attached to your post, Its
GREAT!, Thought you might like this video..
John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the
Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006.
Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in this part John
discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the reasons and background to
why we are at war in the Middle East
http :// video.google,com /videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%20and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en
On May 21, 11:06 am, Billy <wildbi...@getthe,net > wrote:
> In article <69hu81F326pc...@mid.individual,net >,
> "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > salt and caffeine
> > and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use
> > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > product may raise the BP,
> > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > safely?
>
> Try http :// www .holistic-online,com /Remedies/Heart/hypot herbs-hypotension...
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> --
>
> Billy
> Bush Behind Bars http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article
<aedac301-46da-4ec3-b470-d06ec94bdf01@27g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
Kevysmom <bluebunny8@gmail,com > wrote:
> John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the
> Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006.
> Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in this part John
> discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the reasons and background to
> why we are at war in the Middle East
>
> http :// video.google,com /videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%2
> 0and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en
Thanks
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
In article
<aedac301-46da-4ec3-b470-d06ec94bdf01@27g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
Kevysmom <bluebunny8@gmail,com > wrote:
> John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the
> Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006.
> Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in this part John
> discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the reasons and background to
> why we are at war in the Middle East
>
> http :// video.google,com /videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%2
> 0and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en
Thanks
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > salt and caffeine
> > and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use
> > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > product may raise the BP,
> > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > safely?
>
> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
flunk a draft physical.
On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> RF wrote:
> > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > salt and caffeine
> > and I know some people who are in the same
> > position but cannot use
> > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > very healthy choice.
>
> > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > product may raise the BP,
> > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > safely?
>
> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>
> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
flunk a draft physical.
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article
<742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
"trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> > RF wrote:
> > > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > > salt and caffeine
> > > and I know some people who are in the same
> > > position but cannot use
> > > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > > very healthy choice.
> >
> > > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > > product may raise the BP,
> > > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > > safely?
> >
> > Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >
> > alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >
> > --
> > Juhana
> >
> > Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>
> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> flunk a draft physical.
http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
Safety:
Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
around heart). Take with boiled milk.
No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
In article
<742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
"trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> > RF wrote:
> > > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> > > salt and caffeine
> > > and I know some people who are in the same
> > > position but cannot use
> > > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> > > very healthy choice.
> >
> > > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> > > product may raise the BP,
> > > so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> > > safely?
> >
> > Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >
> > alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >
> > --
> > Juhana
> >
> > Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>
> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> flunk a draft physical.
http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
Safety:
Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
around heart). Take with boiled milk.
No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
Billy wrote:
> In article
> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>> RF wrote:
>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>> position but cannot use
>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>> safely?
>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>
>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Juhana
>>>
>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>> flunk a draft physical.
>
> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>
> Safety:
>
> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>
> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>
> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
My thanks to everyone.
OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
others are enough for a start.
Does anyone know of the relationship between the
size of the doses and the
elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
Billy wrote:
> In article
> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>> RF wrote:
>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>> position but cannot use
>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>> safely?
>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>
>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Juhana
>>>
>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>> flunk a draft physical.
>
> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>
> Safety:
>
> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>
> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>
> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
My thanks to everyone.
OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
others are enough for a start.
Does anyone know of the relationship between the
size of the doses and the
elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article
> > <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> > "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> >
> >> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> >>> RF wrote:
> >>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>> salt and caffeine
> >>>> and I know some people who are in the same
> >>>> position but cannot use
> >>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> >>>> very healthy choice.
> >>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> >>>> product may raise the BP,
> >>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> >>>> safely?
> >>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>
> >>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Juhana
> >>>
> >>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
> >> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> >> flunk a draft physical.
> >
> > http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
> >
> > Safety:
> >
> > Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> > with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> > causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> > constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> > patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
> >
> > It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> > if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> > around heart). Take with boiled milk.
> >
> > No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> > caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> > neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> > not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>
> My thanks to everyone.
>
> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
> others are enough for a start.
>
> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
> size of the doses and the
> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article
> > <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> > "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> >
> >> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> >>> RF wrote:
> >>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>> salt and caffeine
> >>>> and I know some people who are in the same
> >>>> position but cannot use
> >>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> >>>> very healthy choice.
> >>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> >>>> product may raise the BP,
> >>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> >>>> safely?
> >>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>
> >>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Juhana
> >>>
> >>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
> >> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> >> flunk a draft physical.
> >
> > http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
> >
> > Safety:
> >
> > Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> > with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> > causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> > constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> > patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
> >
> > It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> > if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> > around heart). Take with boiled milk.
> >
> > No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> > caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> > neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> > not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>
> My thanks to everyone.
>
> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
> others are enough for a start.
>
> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
> size of the doses and the
> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
Billy wrote:
> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>>>> position but cannot use
>>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>>>> safely?
>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>
>>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>>>> flunk a draft physical.
>>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>>>
>>> Safety:
>>>
>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
>>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
>>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
>>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>>>
>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
>>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>>>
>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
>>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
>>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
>>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>> My thanks to everyone.
>>
>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>> others are enough for a start.
>>
>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
>> size of the doses and the
>> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
>> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>
> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
the pills or caps, and
write down the numbers every 15 mins.
I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
Prevention and Treatment
manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
block 40% of the iron
in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
overload at that rate. They
also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
numbers were given.
It would appear that this work is still in its
infancy.
Billy wrote:
> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>>>> position but cannot use
>>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>>>> safely?
>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>
>>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>>>> flunk a draft physical.
>>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>>>
>>> Safety:
>>>
>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
>>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
>>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
>>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>>>
>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
>>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>>>
>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
>>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
>>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
>>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>> My thanks to everyone.
>>
>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>> others are enough for a start.
>>
>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
>> size of the doses and the
>> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
>> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>
> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
the pills or caps, and
write down the numbers every 15 mins.
I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
Prevention and Treatment
manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
block 40% of the iron
in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
overload at that rate. They
also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
numbers were given.
It would appear that this work is still in its
infancy.
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Billy wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> >>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> >>>>> RF wrote:
> >>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>>>> salt and caffeine
> >>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
> >>>>>> position but cannot use
> >>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> >>>>>> very healthy choice.
> >>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> >>>>>> product may raise the BP,
> >>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> >>>>>> safely?
> >>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Juhana
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
> >>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> >>>> flunk a draft physical.
> >>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
> >>>
> >>> Safety:
> >>>
> >>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> >>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> >>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> >>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> >>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
> >>>
> >>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> >>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> >>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
> >>>
> >>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> >>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> >>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> >>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
> >> My thanks to everyone.
> >>
> >> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
> >> others are enough for a start.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
> >> size of the doses and the
> >> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
> >> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
> >
> > Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>
> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
> the pills or caps, and
> write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>
> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
> Prevention and Treatment
> manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
> block 40% of the iron
> in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
> overload at that rate. They
> also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
> numbers were given.
>
> It would appear that this work is still in its
> infancy.
You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP
and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP and
the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's effectiveness.
Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't
need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into
growing ginseng.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
wrote:
> Billy wrote:
> > In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Billy wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
> >>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
> >>>>> RF wrote:
> >>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
> >>>>>> salt and caffeine
> >>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
> >>>>>> position but cannot use
> >>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
> >>>>>> very healthy choice.
> >>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
> >>>>>> product may raise the BP,
> >>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
> >>>>>> safely?
> >>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Juhana
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
> >>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
> >>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
> >>>> flunk a draft physical.
> >>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm
> >>>
> >>> Safety:
> >>>
> >>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
> >>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
> >>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
> >>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
> >>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
> >>>
> >>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
> >>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
> >>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
> >>>
> >>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
> >>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
> >>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
> >>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
> >> My thanks to everyone.
> >>
> >> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
> >> others are enough for a start.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
> >> size of the doses and the
> >> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
> >> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
> >
> > Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>
> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
> the pills or caps, and
> write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>
> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
> Prevention and Treatment
> manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
> block 40% of the iron
> in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
> overload at that rate. They
> also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
> numbers were given.
>
> It would appear that this work is still in its
> infancy.
You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP
and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP and
the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's effectiveness.
Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't
need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into
growing ginseng.
--
Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick,net
http :// www .youtube,com /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related
Re: Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
Billy wrote:
> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>>>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>>>>>> position but cannot use
>>>>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>>>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>>>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>>>>>> safely?
>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>>>>>> flunk a draft physical.
>>>>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Safety:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
>>>>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
>>>>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
>>>>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
>>>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
>>>>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>>>>>
>>>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
>>>>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
>>>>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
>>>>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>>>> My thanks to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>>>> others are enough for a start.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
>>>> size of the doses and the
>>>> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
>>>> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
>> the pills or caps, and
>> write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>>
>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
>> Prevention and Treatment
>> manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
>> block 40% of the iron
>> in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
>> overload at that rate. They
>> also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
>> numbers were given.
>>
>> It would appear that this work is still in its
>> infancy.
>
> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP
> and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP and
> the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's effectiveness.
> Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't
> need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into
> growing ginseng.
Thanks Billy, I sure will.
Billy wrote:
> In article <69k4m9F3342h1U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
> wrote:
>
>> Billy wrote:
>>> In article <69jb3hF336pe4U1@mid.individual,net >, RF <RF@NoDen.con>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Billy wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups,com >,
>>>>> "trigonometry1972@gmail,com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 11:36 pm, "Juhana Harju" <n...@mail.fi> wrote:
>>>>>>> RF wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with
>>>>>>>> salt and caffeine
>>>>>>>> and I know some people who are in the same
>>>>>>>> position but cannot use
>>>>>>>> caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a
>>>>>>>> very healthy choice.
>>>>>>>> I have seen on some herbal bottles that the
>>>>>>>> product may raise the BP,
>>>>>>>> so there must be some that do, but can they do it
>>>>>>>> safely?
>>>>>>> Rosemary and licorice might work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alt.folklore.herbs added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Juhana
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ravintoblogini: http :// ruohikolla.blogspot,com /
>>>>>> I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term.
>>>>>> Though it might make sense if one's goal is to
>>>>>> flunk a draft physical.
>>>>> http :// www .holistic-online,com /Herbal-Med/ Herbs/h204.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Safety:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance
>>>>> with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect
>>>>> causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has
>>>>> constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the
>>>>> patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use
>>>>> if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water
>>>>> around heart). Take with boiled milk.
>>>>>
>>>>> No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use
>>>>> caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to
>>>>> neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do
>>>>> not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional.
>>>> My thanks to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the
>>>> others are enough for a start.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of the relationship between the
>>>> size of the doses and the
>>>> elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus
>>>> licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent?
>>> Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine
>> I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping
>> the pills or caps, and
>> write down the numbers every 15 mins.
>>
>> I just did some reading in the LEF Disease
>> Prevention and Treatment
>> manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to
>> block 40% of the iron
>> in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium
>> overload at that rate. They
>> also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no
>> numbers were given.
>>
>> It would appear that this work is still in its
>> infancy.
>
> You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP
> and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP and
> the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's effectiveness.
> Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't
> need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into
> growing ginseng.
Thanks Billy, I sure will.
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