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The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
> production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
> concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
> Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
> Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
> "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
> lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
> brain only."
The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
Taka
On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
> production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
> concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
> Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
> Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
> "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
> lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
> brain only."
The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
Taka
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
> > production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
> > concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
> > Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
> > Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
> chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
> thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
> high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>
> > "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
> > lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
> > brain only."
>
> The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>
> Taka
Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
good diet. I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
results or if his claims have been investigated. Epileptic kids on the
ketogenic diet have seizures which has failed to be controlled by
meds. About one third of these kids end up seizure free, many have no
success, and about fifty percent of these kids reduce seizures by
about fifty per cent. From what I have read, the usual thing is that
even with this diet, these children must still take meds. So the diet
does not actually cure the seizures but is an adjunct to the meds.
There are also side effects and consequences in some of them such as
increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
first choice for epileptic kids.
Dolores
On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>
> > "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
> > production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
> > concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
> > Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
> > Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
> chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
> thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
> high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>
> > "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
> > lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
> > brain only."
>
> The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>
> Taka
Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
good diet. I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
results or if his claims have been investigated. Epileptic kids on the
ketogenic diet have seizures which has failed to be controlled by
meds. About one third of these kids end up seizure free, many have no
success, and about fifty percent of these kids reduce seizures by
about fifty per cent. From what I have read, the usual thing is that
even with this diet, these children must still take meds. So the diet
does not actually cure the seizures but is an adjunct to the meds.
There are also side effects and consequences in some of them such as
increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
first choice for epileptic kids.
Dolores
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 22, 6:36 am, dorsy1943 <dtm...@usadatanet,net > wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> > > animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> > I doubt it's the saturated fat per se.
I agree.
> >There are more dangerous chemicals in processed/burned meat.
And less in fruit.
> > have you seen my previous thread about Kwasniewski who cures many
> > degenerative diseases with high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
I missed your thread about Kwasniewski. I took a look through some of
your past posts and didn't find it so I googled Kwasniewski ( http ://
high-fat-nutrition.blogspot,com /2008/03/kwasniewski-praise-lard.html)
and found anecdotal reports of low carb/high meat/no processed food
diets being compared with "regular food like McDonald's." "Sometimes
called the Polish Atkins" "The diet was hatched in Poland some 40
years ago by Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while
working as a dietician for a military sanitarium" The high meat diet
(like the Atkins type diets) were developed for losing weight. While
the Kwasniewski diet accounts are surprising to me and interesting,
I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
neglect. I'm particularly interested in any type of food that is a
superior substitute for a variety of available fruit (this is not easy
to find). So far my opinion is that people compromise fruit based
diets with meat for reasons of convenience/politics/fad diets to lose
weight/addiction/custom. By losing weight it is no surprise that heart
disease, diabetes, obesity and cancer incidence decrease with low carb
diet or high fruit diet. But as Dolores points out in reference to the
Kwasniewski diet, "There are also side effects and consequences such
as increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
first choice for epileptic kids."
And some of the other diseases correlated with meat are
diverticulitis, acidosis, gout, alcohol addiction, hemerrhoids, etc.
Fruit reverses all this and more. I'm also including nuts, leafy
greens in my diet. Coconuts are considered fruit and the fleshy fruit
of the coconut and the water within are included as a staple in my
diet. Coconut seems to be one of the most complete types of food, yet
de-emphasized in the Kwasniewski optimal diet.
The Kwasniewski diet also recommends cream and butter (which seems to
be the worst part). I stopped earning acne, constipation, sinusitis,
colds and the yearly flu among other things when I ditched dairy and
apparantly I'm not the only one. Kwasniewski advises "small quantities
of grains, berries and fruits." http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal diet.
This seems absurd to me. The most consistently good feeling of
digestion and start to a good night of sleep is when I have a bowl of
fresh berries as the last meal. And blueberries are a classic
reference for antioxidants.
> > The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> > metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> > while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
But the best diet to prevent cancer is still by far (tropical) fruit
based. You'll find more types of synthetic and natural carcinogens
associated with meat than without.
> Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> good diet.
I noticed this too. He went on to say the best part was the fish they
had (even in small amounts..) How or if he considers his diet of pork
to be better than fish for any reason, remains a mystery.. I did
notice the religious emphasis of his diet and mention of decreased
anxiety but I have seen slight evidence that meat increases (not
decreases) anxiety..
> I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> results or if his claims have been investigated.
There are no peer reviewed journals or long term studies providing
support for the Kwasniewski diet. But then again there are no cultures
to even attempt peer reviewed studies on frugivorous diets either.. So
this is one reason I looked for theoretical adaptation to justify my
personal experimenting. I'm eating roughly half of my diet as organic
fruit and have been adding a higher proportion of fruit gradually as
I'm growing more.
I assume the Kwasniewski diet is better than high carb/processed food
or moderate sugar/starch based diets. I still see no adaptive
advantage to substitute fruit for meat and I have an open mind as I
experiment and my credit card here for an evolution diet using any
amount of meat as a substitute for available fruit if I can find a
reason..
Organically,
Chris
On Apr 22, 6:36 am, dorsy1943 <dtm...@usadatanet,net > wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> > > animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> > I doubt it's the saturated fat per se.
I agree.
> >There are more dangerous chemicals in processed/burned meat.
And less in fruit.
> > have you seen my previous thread about Kwasniewski who cures many
> > degenerative diseases with high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
I missed your thread about Kwasniewski. I took a look through some of
your past posts and didn't find it so I googled Kwasniewski ( http ://
high-fat-nutrition.blogspot,com /2008/03/kwasniewski-praise-lard.html)
and found anecdotal reports of low carb/high meat/no processed food
diets being compared with "regular food like McDonald's." "Sometimes
called the Polish Atkins" "The diet was hatched in Poland some 40
years ago by Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while
working as a dietician for a military sanitarium" The high meat diet
(like the Atkins type diets) were developed for losing weight. While
the Kwasniewski diet accounts are surprising to me and interesting,
I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
neglect. I'm particularly interested in any type of food that is a
superior substitute for a variety of available fruit (this is not easy
to find). So far my opinion is that people compromise fruit based
diets with meat for reasons of convenience/politics/fad diets to lose
weight/addiction/custom. By losing weight it is no surprise that heart
disease, diabetes, obesity and cancer incidence decrease with low carb
diet or high fruit diet. But as Dolores points out in reference to the
Kwasniewski diet, "There are also side effects and consequences such
as increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
first choice for epileptic kids."
And some of the other diseases correlated with meat are
diverticulitis, acidosis, gout, alcohol addiction, hemerrhoids, etc.
Fruit reverses all this and more. I'm also including nuts, leafy
greens in my diet. Coconuts are considered fruit and the fleshy fruit
of the coconut and the water within are included as a staple in my
diet. Coconut seems to be one of the most complete types of food, yet
de-emphasized in the Kwasniewski optimal diet.
The Kwasniewski diet also recommends cream and butter (which seems to
be the worst part). I stopped earning acne, constipation, sinusitis,
colds and the yearly flu among other things when I ditched dairy and
apparantly I'm not the only one. Kwasniewski advises "small quantities
of grains, berries and fruits." http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal diet.
This seems absurd to me. The most consistently good feeling of
digestion and start to a good night of sleep is when I have a bowl of
fresh berries as the last meal. And blueberries are a classic
reference for antioxidants.
> > The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> > metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> > while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
But the best diet to prevent cancer is still by far (tropical) fruit
based. You'll find more types of synthetic and natural carcinogens
associated with meat than without.
> Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> good diet.
I noticed this too. He went on to say the best part was the fish they
had (even in small amounts..) How or if he considers his diet of pork
to be better than fish for any reason, remains a mystery.. I did
notice the religious emphasis of his diet and mention of decreased
anxiety but I have seen slight evidence that meat increases (not
decreases) anxiety..
> I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> results or if his claims have been investigated.
There are no peer reviewed journals or long term studies providing
support for the Kwasniewski diet. But then again there are no cultures
to even attempt peer reviewed studies on frugivorous diets either.. So
this is one reason I looked for theoretical adaptation to justify my
personal experimenting. I'm eating roughly half of my diet as organic
fruit and have been adding a higher proportion of fruit gradually as
I'm growing more.
I assume the Kwasniewski diet is better than high carb/processed food
or moderate sugar/starch based diets. I still see no adaptive
advantage to substitute fruit for meat and I have an open mind as I
experiment and my credit card here for an evolution diet using any
amount of meat as a substitute for available fruit if I can find a
reason..
Organically,
Chris
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 23, 6:06 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 22, 6:36 am, dorsy1943 <dtm...@usadatanet,net > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> > > > animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > > > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> > > I doubt it's the saturated fat per se.
>
> I agree.
>
> > >There are more dangerous chemicals in processed/burned meat.
>
> And less in fruit.
>
> > > have you seen my previous thread about Kwasniewski who cures many
> > > degenerative diseases with high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>
> I missed your thread about Kwasniewski. I took a look through some of
> your past posts and didn't find it so I googled Kwasniewski ( http ://
> high-fat-nutrition.blogspot,com /2008/03/kwasniewski-praise-lard.html)
> and found anecdotal reports of low carb/high meat/no processed food
> diets being compared with "regular food like McDonald's." "Sometimes
> called the Polish Atkins" "The diet was hatched in Poland some 40
> years ago by Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while
> working as a dietician for a military sanitarium" The high meat diet
> (like the Atkins type diets) were developed for losing weight. While
> the Kwasniewski diet accounts are surprising to me and interesting,
> I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
> term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
> neglect. I'm particularly interested in any type of food that is a
> superior substitute for a variety of available fruit (this is not easy
> to find). So far my opinion is that people compromise fruit based
> diets with meat for reasons of convenience/politics/fad diets to lose
> weight/addiction/custom. By losing weight it is no surprise that heart
> disease, diabetes, obesity and cancer incidence decrease with low carb
> diet or high fruit diet. But as Dolores points out in reference to the
> Kwasniewski diet, "There are also side effects and consequences such
> as increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
> stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
> first choice for epileptic kids."
>
> And some of the other diseases correlated with meat are
> diverticulitis, acidosis, gout, alcohol addiction, hemerrhoids, etc.
> Fruit reverses all this and more. I'm also including nuts, leafy
> greens in my diet. Coconuts are considered fruit and the fleshy fruit
> of the coconut and the water within are included as a staple in my
> diet. Coconut seems to be one of the most complete types of food, yet
> de-emphasized in the Kwasniewski optimal diet.
>
> The Kwasniewski diet also recommends cream and butter (which seems to
> be the worst part). I stopped earning acne, constipation, sinusitis,
> colds and the yearly flu among other things when I ditched dairy and
> apparantly I'm not the only one. Kwasniewski advises "small quantities
> of grains, berries and fruits." http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal diet.
> This seems absurd to me. The most consistently good feeling of
> digestion and start to a good night of sleep is when I have a bowl of
> fresh berries as the last meal. And blueberries are a classic
> reference for antioxidants.
>
> > > The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> > > metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> > > while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>
> But the best diet to prevent cancer is still by far (tropical) fruit
> based. You'll find more types of synthetic and natural carcinogens
> associated with meat than without.
>
> > Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> > good diet.
>
> I noticed this too. He went on to say the best part was the fish they
> had (even in small amounts..) How or if he considers his diet of pork
> to be better than fish for any reason, remains a mystery.. I did
> notice the religious emphasis of his diet and mention of decreased
> anxiety but I have seen slight evidence that meat increases (not
> decreases) anxiety..
>
> > I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> > results or if his claims have been investigated.
>
> There are no peer reviewed journals or long term studies providing
> support for the Kwasniewski diet. But then again there are no cultures
> to even attempt peer reviewed studies on frugivorous diets either.. So
> this is one reason I looked for theoretical adaptation to justify my
> personal experimenting. I'm eating roughly half of my diet as organic
> fruit and have been adding a higher proportion of fruit gradually as
> I'm growing more.
>
> I assume the Kwasniewski diet is better than high carb/processed food
> or moderate sugar/starch based diets. I still see no adaptive
> advantage to substitute fruit for meat and I have an open mind as I
> experiment and my credit card here for an evolution diet using any
> amount of meat as a substitute for available fruit if I can find a
> reason..
>
> Organically,
> Chris
Chris, I think my grandfather, who lived to be 91 ate an evolutionary
diet. I think he would have lived longer but my mom, who was totally
devoted to him, probably killed him out of love. When he came to live
with her, she thought his diet wasn't healthy so she pumped him full
of milk, processed cheese, eggs, butter, mayonnaise and meat. His
normal diet before mom took care of him was very seasonal. He would
only eat fruits and vegetables that were in season and even in his
eighty's would walk to fields and cemetaries to pick wild greens.
He ate lots of beans, pasta and bread (not evolutionary) and very
little meat before mom cooked for him and when he did eat meat it
was chicken necks, beef around bones, chicken feet etc. My brother
served turkey breast at his wedding and grandpop turned to me and
said, " This food is lousy--there's no bones, no neck no feet."
Probably the food they could afford in the old country. He also ate
very small portions. I never ever saw him eat more than small
portions. No deserts except fruit. He walked every day. And not
aimlessly. He always had a purpose. Either an errand, a visit or
foraging for mushrooms and greens. And maybe most important, he
walked to the tune of his own drummer and lived life on his own terms.
Dolores
On Apr 23, 6:06 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> On Apr 22, 6:36 am, dorsy1943 <dtm...@usadatanet,net > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
> > > > animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
> > > > contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>
> > > I doubt it's the saturated fat per se.
>
> I agree.
>
> > >There are more dangerous chemicals in processed/burned meat.
>
> And less in fruit.
>
> > > have you seen my previous thread about Kwasniewski who cures many
> > > degenerative diseases with high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>
> I missed your thread about Kwasniewski. I took a look through some of
> your past posts and didn't find it so I googled Kwasniewski ( http ://
> high-fat-nutrition.blogspot,com /2008/03/kwasniewski-praise-lard.html)
> and found anecdotal reports of low carb/high meat/no processed food
> diets being compared with "regular food like McDonald's." "Sometimes
> called the Polish Atkins" "The diet was hatched in Poland some 40
> years ago by Dr. Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while
> working as a dietician for a military sanitarium" The high meat diet
> (like the Atkins type diets) were developed for losing weight. While
> the Kwasniewski diet accounts are surprising to me and interesting,
> I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
> term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
> neglect. I'm particularly interested in any type of food that is a
> superior substitute for a variety of available fruit (this is not easy
> to find). So far my opinion is that people compromise fruit based
> diets with meat for reasons of convenience/politics/fad diets to lose
> weight/addiction/custom. By losing weight it is no surprise that heart
> disease, diabetes, obesity and cancer incidence decrease with low carb
> diet or high fruit diet. But as Dolores points out in reference to the
> Kwasniewski diet, "There are also side effects and consequences such
> as increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
> stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
> first choice for epileptic kids."
>
> And some of the other diseases correlated with meat are
> diverticulitis, acidosis, gout, alcohol addiction, hemerrhoids, etc.
> Fruit reverses all this and more. I'm also including nuts, leafy
> greens in my diet. Coconuts are considered fruit and the fleshy fruit
> of the coconut and the water within are included as a staple in my
> diet. Coconut seems to be one of the most complete types of food, yet
> de-emphasized in the Kwasniewski optimal diet.
>
> The Kwasniewski diet also recommends cream and butter (which seems to
> be the worst part). I stopped earning acne, constipation, sinusitis,
> colds and the yearly flu among other things when I ditched dairy and
> apparantly I'm not the only one. Kwasniewski advises "small quantities
> of grains, berries and fruits." http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal diet.
> This seems absurd to me. The most consistently good feeling of
> digestion and start to a good night of sleep is when I have a bowl of
> fresh berries as the last meal. And blueberries are a classic
> reference for antioxidants.
>
> > > The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
> > > metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
> > > while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>
> But the best diet to prevent cancer is still by far (tropical) fruit
> based. You'll find more types of synthetic and natural carcinogens
> associated with meat than without.
>
> > Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> > good diet.
>
> I noticed this too. He went on to say the best part was the fish they
> had (even in small amounts..) How or if he considers his diet of pork
> to be better than fish for any reason, remains a mystery.. I did
> notice the religious emphasis of his diet and mention of decreased
> anxiety but I have seen slight evidence that meat increases (not
> decreases) anxiety..
>
> > I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> > results or if his claims have been investigated.
>
> There are no peer reviewed journals or long term studies providing
> support for the Kwasniewski diet. But then again there are no cultures
> to even attempt peer reviewed studies on frugivorous diets either.. So
> this is one reason I looked for theoretical adaptation to justify my
> personal experimenting. I'm eating roughly half of my diet as organic
> fruit and have been adding a higher proportion of fruit gradually as
> I'm growing more.
>
> I assume the Kwasniewski diet is better than high carb/processed food
> or moderate sugar/starch based diets. I still see no adaptive
> advantage to substitute fruit for meat and I have an open mind as I
> experiment and my credit card here for an evolution diet using any
> amount of meat as a substitute for available fruit if I can find a
> reason..
>
> Organically,
> Chris
Chris, I think my grandfather, who lived to be 91 ate an evolutionary
diet. I think he would have lived longer but my mom, who was totally
devoted to him, probably killed him out of love. When he came to live
with her, she thought his diet wasn't healthy so she pumped him full
of milk, processed cheese, eggs, butter, mayonnaise and meat. His
normal diet before mom took care of him was very seasonal. He would
only eat fruits and vegetables that were in season and even in his
eighty's would walk to fields and cemetaries to pick wild greens.
He ate lots of beans, pasta and bread (not evolutionary) and very
little meat before mom cooked for him and when he did eat meat it
was chicken necks, beef around bones, chicken feet etc. My brother
served turkey breast at his wedding and grandpop turned to me and
said, " This food is lousy--there's no bones, no neck no feet."
Probably the food they could afford in the old country. He also ate
very small portions. I never ever saw him eat more than small
portions. No deserts except fruit. He walked every day. And not
aimlessly. He always had a purpose. Either an errand, a visit or
foraging for mushrooms and greens. And maybe most important, he
walked to the tune of his own drummer and lived life on his own terms.
Dolores
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
crisology wrote:
> I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
> term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
> neglect.
There may not be any such diet. Embryos live on blood passing
through their umbilical cords. Babies live on milk.
Human beings may have evolved to thrive on diets which change
astonishingly from season to season, and through times of feast and
famine. Perhaps we've grown dependent on both.
What we know about evolution seems to suggest not only that we've
lived through times when we fed almost exclusively on fruit, but through
other times on fish, on herbs and seeds, on meat, and on starchy vegetables.
Dogs and horses apparently do very well on nothing but one food, day
in and day out, throughout their lives, but our evolutionary histories
have been different. They're obligate carnivores and herbivores; we're
omnivores. They're stuck in a routine; we're not.
It may very well be that "different strokes" for different decades --
and different foods for different seasons -- are better strategies
than one "perfect" diet for a lifetime.
It may be that putting on and taking off weight isn't unhealthy, but
healthy. Caloric restriction might extend your life today, but threaten
it tomorrow.
The thing that fascinates me the most about human nutrition is how
little we understand it.
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
crisology wrote:
> I'm not trying to lose weight/energy. I'm looking for the best long
> term/life promoting diet with no reason to compromise or treat past
> neglect.
There may not be any such diet. Embryos live on blood passing
through their umbilical cords. Babies live on milk.
Human beings may have evolved to thrive on diets which change
astonishingly from season to season, and through times of feast and
famine. Perhaps we've grown dependent on both.
What we know about evolution seems to suggest not only that we've
lived through times when we fed almost exclusively on fruit, but through
other times on fish, on herbs and seeds, on meat, and on starchy vegetables.
Dogs and horses apparently do very well on nothing but one food, day
in and day out, throughout their lives, but our evolutionary histories
have been different. They're obligate carnivores and herbivores; we're
omnivores. They're stuck in a routine; we're not.
It may very well be that "different strokes" for different decades --
and different foods for different seasons -- are better strategies
than one "perfect" diet for a lifetime.
It may be that putting on and taking off weight isn't unhealthy, but
healthy. Caloric restriction might extend your life today, but threaten
it tomorrow.
The thing that fascinates me the most about human nutrition is how
little we understand it.
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
dorsy1943 wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>>
>>> "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
>>> production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
>>> concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
>>> Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
>>> Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
>>> contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>> I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
>> chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
>> thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
>> high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>>
>>> "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
>>> lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
>>> brain only."
>> The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
>> metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
>> while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>>
>> Taka
>
> Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> good diet. I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> results or if his claims have been investigated. Epileptic kids on the
> ketogenic diet have seizures which has failed to be controlled by
> meds. About one third of these kids end up seizure free, many have no
> success, and about fifty percent of these kids reduce seizures by
> about fifty per cent. From what I have read, the usual thing is that
> even with this diet, these children must still take meds. So the diet
> does not actually cure the seizures but is an adjunct to the meds.
> There are also side effects and consequences in some of them such as
> increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
> stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
> first choice for epileptic kids.
Anybody who's seen Ondeko-Za, the long-distance-running taiko
drummers (as I have) ought to have a lot of respect for white rice! I
can't explain it, but a high-calorie diet consisting of little more than
rice keeps them incredibly fit and healthy, and it shows.
If I recall correctly, they were running more than half a marathon
every day, and putting on amazingly energetic drum performances in
between, and showed no sign of fatigue. Since the men wore only small
loincloths on stage, and the women not much more, it was pretty obvious
what condition they were in. Their complexions were flawless, and their
bodies made me wish I were a sculptor!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
dorsy1943 wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:49 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 5:25 pm, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>>
>>> "When animal foods are wholly excluded from the diet, the endogenous
>>> production of EPA and DHA results in low but stable plasma
>>> concentrations of these fatty acids" -American Journal of Clinical
>>> Nutrition, Vol. 82, No. 2, 327-334, August 2005
>>> Otherwise, animal fat consumption (especially processed meats)
>>> contributes to Alzheimers, lower IQ, ADHD, brain cancer risk, etc.
>> I doubt it's the saturated fat per se. There are more dangerous
>> chemicals in processed/burned meat. BTW have you seen my previous
>> thread about Kwasniewski who cures many degenerative diseases with
>> high animal fat+meat and low carb diet?
>>
>>> "Humans need relatively little protein, because our large brains need
>>> lots of sugars ; we daily need 125-150 gram of pure glucose for the
>>> brain only."
>> The human brain can run entirely on ketone bodies derived from fat
>> metabolism. Not as efficient as glucose but enough to sustain life
>> while e.g. killing cancerous cells.
>>
>> Taka
>
> Kasniewski also said that the Japanese diet (high carb low fat) is a
> good diet. I do not know if any others have reproduced Kwasniewski's
> results or if his claims have been investigated. Epileptic kids on the
> ketogenic diet have seizures which has failed to be controlled by
> meds. About one third of these kids end up seizure free, many have no
> success, and about fifty percent of these kids reduce seizures by
> about fifty per cent. From what I have read, the usual thing is that
> even with this diet, these children must still take meds. So the diet
> does not actually cure the seizures but is an adjunct to the meds.
> There are also side effects and consequences in some of them such as
> increased bone fractures, rising cholesterol, kidney stones, gall
> stones and some others which I can't remember. This diet is no one's
> first choice for epileptic kids.
Anybody who's seen Ondeko-Za, the long-distance-running taiko
drummers (as I have) ought to have a lot of respect for white rice! I
can't explain it, but a high-calorie diet consisting of little more than
rice keeps them incredibly fit and healthy, and it shows.
If I recall correctly, they were running more than half a marathon
every day, and putting on amazingly energetic drum performances in
between, and showed no sign of fatigue. Since the men wore only small
loincloths on stage, and the women not much more, it was pretty obvious
what condition they were in. Their complexions were flawless, and their
bodies made me wish I were a sculptor!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
Taka wrote:
> On Apr 19, 4:51 am, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 6:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I’m extremely pleased to announce that the second edition of The
>>> Evolution Diet is now available through distribution channels
>>> (including Amazon)!
>>> This latest edition is chalk-full of interesting stories and more
>>> studies describing the diet and its benefits and I’m very happy with
>>> it as an instructional tool. Thousands of people have been helped by
>>> the diet and the accompanying online tools and I encourage you to find
>>> out more if you’re interested in attaining an ideal weight, achieving
>>> balanced energy, or sleeping better. The Evolution Diet will help in
>>> those aspects of your life and much much more!
>>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>> It looks like a photo of some sort of grilled meat on the link. I'll
>> buy your book if you can explain how we are “designed” or “evolved” to
>> benefit more from this recent meat cooking custom while given a choice
>> of various fruit. Just the protein overdose alone from meat doesn’t
>> seem to provide nutritional advantage to trade available fruit for
>> meat. "Human milk has the lowest protein concentration (about 7% of
>> energy) of any primate milk that has been studied (Oftedal, 1984). So
>> it would seem chimps (naturally producing 2.8 times the human protein
>> concentration in breast milk, Buss et al., 1976) need more grilled
>> meat than H. Sapiens.
>
> Have you compared the fat content? I would suggest that humans need
> more animal fat than the lean meat protein in their diet. They have
> the largest brain which is made of fat after all ...
Something tells me that fat isn't flowing through the blood-brain
barrier a whole lot. When was the last time you needed to replace a
significant amount of brain tissue?
>> Can anyone provide a morphological hypothesis explaining how H.
>> Sapiens evolved or adapted to the point that eating red meat was not a
>> compromise to fruit (if available) within the last 600,000 yrs? Before
>> this point it seems meat was an unreliable peripheral food after root
>> veg. I'm still looking for ANY evidence H. Sapiens ADAPTED to benefit
>> more from meat than a variety of fruit. Perhaps the book provides a
>> treatment plan for obesity but the title seems misleading.
>>
>> Deglaciating & detoxing after the Ice Age,
>> Chris
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Taka wrote:
> On Apr 19, 4:51 am, crisology <crisol...@aol,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 6:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I’m extremely pleased to announce that the second edition of The
>>> Evolution Diet is now available through distribution channels
>>> (including Amazon)!
>>> This latest edition is chalk-full of interesting stories and more
>>> studies describing the diet and its benefits and I’m very happy with
>>> it as an instructional tool. Thousands of people have been helped by
>>> the diet and the accompanying online tools and I encourage you to find
>>> out more if you’re interested in attaining an ideal weight, achieving
>>> balanced energy, or sleeping better. The Evolution Diet will help in
>>> those aspects of your life and much much more!
>>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>> It looks like a photo of some sort of grilled meat on the link. I'll
>> buy your book if you can explain how we are “designed” or “evolved” to
>> benefit more from this recent meat cooking custom while given a choice
>> of various fruit. Just the protein overdose alone from meat doesn’t
>> seem to provide nutritional advantage to trade available fruit for
>> meat. "Human milk has the lowest protein concentration (about 7% of
>> energy) of any primate milk that has been studied (Oftedal, 1984). So
>> it would seem chimps (naturally producing 2.8 times the human protein
>> concentration in breast milk, Buss et al., 1976) need more grilled
>> meat than H. Sapiens.
>
> Have you compared the fat content? I would suggest that humans need
> more animal fat than the lean meat protein in their diet. They have
> the largest brain which is made of fat after all ...
Something tells me that fat isn't flowing through the blood-brain
barrier a whole lot. When was the last time you needed to replace a
significant amount of brain tissue?
>> Can anyone provide a morphological hypothesis explaining how H.
>> Sapiens evolved or adapted to the point that eating red meat was not a
>> compromise to fruit (if available) within the last 600,000 yrs? Before
>> this point it seems meat was an unreliable peripheral food after root
>> veg. I'm still looking for ANY evidence H. Sapiens ADAPTED to benefit
>> more from meat than a variety of fruit. Perhaps the book provides a
>> treatment plan for obesity but the title seems misleading.
>>
>> Deglaciating & detoxing after the Ice Age,
>> Chris
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
crisology wrote:
> On Apr 17, 6:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> I’m extremely pleased to announce that the second edition of The
>> Evolution Diet is now available through distribution channels
>> (including Amazon)!
>>
>> This latest edition is chalk-full of interesting stories and more
>> studies describing the diet and its benefits and I’m very happy with
>> it as an instructional tool. Thousands of people have been helped by
>> the diet and the accompanying online tools and I encourage you to find
>> out more if you’re interested in attaining an ideal weight, achieving
>> balanced energy, or sleeping better. The Evolution Diet will help in
>> those aspects of your life and much much more!
>>
>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>
>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>
>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>
> It looks like a photo of some sort of grilled meat on the link. I'll
> buy your book if you can explain how we are “designed” or “evolved” to
> benefit more from this recent meat cooking custom while given a choice
> of various fruit. Just the protein overdose alone from meat doesn’t
> seem to provide nutritional advantage to trade available fruit for
> meat. "Human milk has the lowest protein concentration (about 7% of
> energy) of any primate milk that has been studied (Oftedal, 1984). So
> it would seem chimps (naturally producing 2.8 times the human protein
> concentration in breast milk, Buss et al., 1976) need more grilled
> meat than H. Sapiens.
>
> Can anyone provide a morphological hypothesis explaining how H.
> Sapiens evolved or adapted to the point that eating red meat was not a
> compromise to fruit (if available) within the last 600,000 yrs? Before
> this point it seems meat was an unreliable peripheral food after root
> veg. I'm still looking for ANY evidence H. Sapiens ADAPTED to benefit
> more from meat than a variety of fruit. Perhaps the book provides a
> treatment plan for obesity but the title seems misleading.
>
> Deglaciating & detoxing after the Ice Age,
> Chris
Just about a week ago, I bought meat for the first time in ages. It
was two pounds of ground beef on sale, and three quarters of it is still
in the refrigerator. Then, a couple nights ago, a friend of mine
brought me a medium-rare two-pound sirloin steak from a fancy gourmet
store. I'm at my wits' end. I don't want to waste them, but I don't
want to eat them, either!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
crisology wrote:
> On Apr 17, 6:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote:
>> I’m extremely pleased to announce that the second edition of The
>> Evolution Diet is now available through distribution channels
>> (including Amazon)!
>>
>> This latest edition is chalk-full of interesting stories and more
>> studies describing the diet and its benefits and I’m very happy with
>> it as an instructional tool. Thousands of people have been helped by
>> the diet and the accompanying online tools and I encourage you to find
>> out more if you’re interested in attaining an ideal weight, achieving
>> balanced energy, or sleeping better. The Evolution Diet will help in
>> those aspects of your life and much much more!
>>
>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>
>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>
>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>
> It looks like a photo of some sort of grilled meat on the link. I'll
> buy your book if you can explain how we are “designed” or “evolved” to
> benefit more from this recent meat cooking custom while given a choice
> of various fruit. Just the protein overdose alone from meat doesn’t
> seem to provide nutritional advantage to trade available fruit for
> meat. "Human milk has the lowest protein concentration (about 7% of
> energy) of any primate milk that has been studied (Oftedal, 1984). So
> it would seem chimps (naturally producing 2.8 times the human protein
> concentration in breast milk, Buss et al., 1976) need more grilled
> meat than H. Sapiens.
>
> Can anyone provide a morphological hypothesis explaining how H.
> Sapiens evolved or adapted to the point that eating red meat was not a
> compromise to fruit (if available) within the last 600,000 yrs? Before
> this point it seems meat was an unreliable peripheral food after root
> veg. I'm still looking for ANY evidence H. Sapiens ADAPTED to benefit
> more from meat than a variety of fruit. Perhaps the book provides a
> treatment plan for obesity but the title seems misleading.
>
> Deglaciating & detoxing after the Ice Age,
> Chris
Just about a week ago, I bought meat for the first time in ages. It
was two pounds of ground beef on sale, and three quarters of it is still
in the refrigerator. Then, a couple nights ago, a friend of mine
brought me a medium-rare two-pound sirloin steak from a fancy gourmet
store. I'm at my wits' end. I don't want to waste them, but I don't
want to eat them, either!
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>
> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>
> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
Cormac.
On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>
> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>
> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
Cormac.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 18, 10:43 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
>
> > The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
> > of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
> > the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
> > section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>
> > I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>
> > http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>
> Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
> luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
>
> Cormac.
Those with successful traditions survived better than
those who didn't. Further to a point people are guided
by inborn drives. People eating too many rabbits develop a strong
drive for fat as I recall. When I skip fruit and only eat
meat, greens, and few nuts, fruit starts to taste
really really good.
Or forefathers weren't stupid. They repeated what seemed
to have worked getting them thru the winter.
One can be pretty sure that as soon as their
pottery was good enough fermented drink was
a big deal and part of the definition of being
"civilized"/drunk. They may even have been fermenting
stuff in wine skins prior to that.
Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
first carbonated drink.
On Apr 18, 10:43 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
>
> > The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
> > of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
> > the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
> > section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>
> > I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>
> > http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>
> Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
> luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
>
> Cormac.
Those with successful traditions survived better than
those who didn't. Further to a point people are guided
by inborn drives. People eating too many rabbits develop a strong
drive for fat as I recall. When I skip fruit and only eat
meat, greens, and few nuts, fruit starts to taste
really really good.
Or forefathers weren't stupid. They repeated what seemed
to have worked getting them thru the winter.
One can be pretty sure that as soon as their
pottery was good enough fermented drink was
a big deal and part of the definition of being
"civilized"/drunk. They may even have been fermenting
stuff in wine skins prior to that.
Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
first carbonated drink.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>
> Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> first carbonated drink.
Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
Cormac.
On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>
> Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> first carbonated drink.
Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
Cormac.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>
>
>
> > Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> > first carbonated drink.
>
> Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
> normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
>
> It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
>
> Cormac.
You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
containing drink is amazing. And would be even
more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
just reach down into fermenation bucket past
the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
bread and have some more.
On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>
>
>
> > Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> > first carbonated drink.
>
> Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
> normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
>
> It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
>
> Cormac.
You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
containing drink is amazing. And would be even
more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
just reach down into fermenation bucket past
the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
bread and have some more.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
> It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
> CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
> containing drink is amazing. And would be even
> more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>
> If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
> worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
> just reach down into fermenation bucket past
> the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
> wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
> get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
> bread and have some more.
I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
bottle is opened.
Cormac.
On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
> It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
> CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
> containing drink is amazing. And would be even
> more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>
> If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
> worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
> just reach down into fermenation bucket past
> the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
> wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
> get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
> bread and have some more.
I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
bottle is opened.
Cormac.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
On Apr 20, 10:46 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>
>
>
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
> > It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
> > CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
> > containing drink is amazing. And would be even
> > more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>
> > If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
> > worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
> > just reach down into fermenation bucket past
> > the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
> > wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
> > get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
> > bread and have some more.
>
> I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
>
> Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
> dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
> bottle is opened.
>
> Cormac.
The liquid has an excess of CO2 and
it bubbles as one drinks it. It is carbonated if one
actually looks at the product (at the right stage) and
not the dictionary.
Making it for 30 years, I am impressed.
Anyway much of the "wine" I've made is
what is called 'country wine' which purists
tell me isn't properly wine. So again I and
the purists disagree. Anyway a good plum
wine can stand toe to toe with a grape wine
in my personal experience.
Raking and siphoning may explain some of my posting
thru the years :-) That reminds me, I haven't looked at
the winemaking forum in years. I'll have to do that soon.
On Apr 20, 10:46 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>
>
>
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
> > It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
> > CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
> > containing drink is amazing. And would be even
> > more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>
> > If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
> > worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
> > just reach down into fermenation bucket past
> > the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
> > wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
> > get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
> > bread and have some more.
>
> I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
>
> Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
> dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
> bottle is opened.
>
> Cormac.
The liquid has an excess of CO2 and
it bubbles as one drinks it. It is carbonated if one
actually looks at the product (at the right stage) and
not the dictionary.
Making it for 30 years, I am impressed.
Anyway much of the "wine" I've made is
what is called 'country wine' which purists
tell me isn't properly wine. So again I and
the purists disagree. Anyway a good plum
wine can stand toe to toe with a grape wine
in my personal experience.
Raking and siphoning may explain some of my posting
thru the years :-) That reminds me, I haven't looked at
the winemaking forum in years. I'll have to do that soon.
Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!
trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 20, 10:46 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>>
>>
>>
>> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
>>> It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
>>> CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
>>> containing drink is amazing. And would be even
>>> more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>>> If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
>>> worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
>>> just reach down into fermenation bucket past
>>> the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
>>> wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
>>> get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
>>> bread and have some more.
>> I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
>>
>> Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
>> dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
>> bottle is opened.
>>
>> Cormac.
>
> The liquid has an excess of CO2 and
> it bubbles as one drinks it. It is carbonated if one
> actually looks at the product (at the right stage) and
> not the dictionary.
>
> Making it for 30 years, I am impressed.
>
> Anyway much of the "wine" I've made is
> what is called 'country wine' which purists
> tell me isn't properly wine. So again I and
> the purists disagree. Anyway a good plum
> wine can stand toe to toe with a grape wine
> in my personal experience.
>
> Raking and siphoning may explain some of my posting
> thru the years :-) That reminds me, I haven't looked at
> the winemaking forum in years. I'll have to do that soon.
What's raking?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 20, 10:46 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>>
>>
>>
>> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
>>> It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
>>> CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
>>> containing drink is amazing. And would be even
>>> more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
>>> If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
>>> worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
>>> just reach down into fermenation bucket past
>>> the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
>>> wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
>>> get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
>>> bread and have some more.
>> I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
>>
>> Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
>> dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
>> bottle is opened.
>>
>> Cormac.
>
> The liquid has an excess of CO2 and
> it bubbles as one drinks it. It is carbonated if one
> actually looks at the product (at the right stage) and
> not the dictionary.
>
> Making it for 30 years, I am impressed.
>
> Anyway much of the "wine" I've made is
> what is called 'country wine' which purists
> tell me isn't properly wine. So again I and
> the purists disagree. Anyway a good plum
> wine can stand toe to toe with a grape wine
> in my personal experience.
>
> Raking and siphoning may explain some of my posting
> thru the years :-) That reminds me, I haven't looked at
> the winemaking forum in years. I'll have to do that soon.
What's raking?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
