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Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core,com > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> > Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> > information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> > Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> > blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> > updated periodically.
>
> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
> it difficult to recommend.
>
> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
> BMD tests.
The correction factor for strontium has been published and there is a
link for it on my blog at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com in my
links section.
>
> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
Biochemically, since all forms of strontium must dissociate in the
stomach and then be protein-bound in the intestines, it doesn't matter
which form you take, although the citrate, like calcium citrate, is
very absorbable and has few side effects. The ranelate is a patented
form so that Servier could market their drug in Europe. There is no
real advantage to taking the ranelate form.
>
> --
> Ron
On Apr 23, 6:12 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core,com > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> > Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> > osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> > Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> > information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> > Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> > blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> > updated periodically.
>
> I don't believe that strontium is considered a nutrient and that makes
> it difficult to recommend.
>
> And since strontium is more dense to xrays, it can cause misleading
> BMD tests.
The correction factor for strontium has been published and there is a
link for it on my blog at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com in my
links section.
>
> The tests have only been done with strontium renelate which makes it
> hard to conclude that strontium citrate would have the same action.
Biochemically, since all forms of strontium must dissociate in the
stomach and then be protein-bound in the intestines, it doesn't matter
which form you take, although the citrate, like calcium citrate, is
very absorbable and has few side effects. The ranelate is a patented
form so that Servier could market their drug in Europe. There is no
real advantage to taking the ranelate form.
>
> --
> Ron
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
<srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>updated periodically.
As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
there is no requirement for additional supplements
Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
additional magnesium is required.
Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
information for strontium except that it appears to be an
advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
<srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>updated periodically.
As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
there is no requirement for additional supplements
Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
additional magnesium is required.
Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
information for strontium except that it appears to be an
advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Apr 23, 6:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
You have a far better chance of getting enough sun in your
part of the world than in say Canada or the northern trier
states of the lower 48 states of USA.
Still the only way to be absolutely sure
is to test, of course, you may judge that not to be
cost effective.
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
I'd be less sure of this than your doctor is.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
And yes it was spam, I think it got it start spamming for
customers on the Usenet, if that is who was posting it.
Still the grey market strontium citrate supplements are likely
helpful, if strontium ranelate prescription form are helpful.
The prescription form has company to press for
it use. But that proves nothing other than the
company knows how to sneer and fight legal
and political battles.
choose
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
Larry is right on the need for a good workup of
the endocrine system. Unfortunately, most
endos aren't that good if replacing the needed
hormones i.e. testosterone, LH by way of the analog
HCG and will instead just use a bisphosphonate
or the rPTH.
On Apr 23, 6:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
You have a far better chance of getting enough sun in your
part of the world than in say Canada or the northern trier
states of the lower 48 states of USA.
Still the only way to be absolutely sure
is to test, of course, you may judge that not to be
cost effective.
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
I'd be less sure of this than your doctor is.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
And yes it was spam, I think it got it start spamming for
customers on the Usenet, if that is who was posting it.
Still the grey market strontium citrate supplements are likely
helpful, if strontium ranelate prescription form are helpful.
The prescription form has company to press for
it use. But that proves nothing other than the
company knows how to sneer and fight legal
and political battles.
choose
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
Larry is right on the need for a good workup of
the endocrine system. Unfortunately, most
endos aren't that good if replacing the needed
hormones i.e. testosterone, LH by way of the analog
HCG and will instead just use a bisphosphonate
or the rPTH.
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> updated periodically.
>
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
Most Americans get plenty of calcium. The USA consumption of calcium is
higher than most other places in the world and we have more osteoporosis
than most of the world. While calcium is very important, it is less
likely that one is deficient.
As to blood work, when I take a LOT of calcium citrate, my blood work
shows no change. Perhaps I'm excreeting it somehow the excess is being
placed in bone.
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
If you lived in the tropics and didn't were hardly any cloths most of
the time, this would be true. In the USA, the majority of Americans are
vitamin D deficient, even people living in Miami with an outdoor
lifestyle. In the USA, cancer rates increase and one moves north. This
is true of cardiovascular disease and many others. Vitamin D
supplementation is almost necessary for everyone in the USA. The only
way to know your vitamin D status is to get some blood work done. I
take 7000 IU per day and my blood results are mid normal, 62 in a lab
reference range of 32-100.
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
The majority of Americans are magnesium deficient. Your mileage may
vary. Blood levels are not accurate for this - cellular levels are more
important.
Vitamin K I believe is critical in for good bone formation as well. If
you are low on K, calcium builds up in other parts of the body.
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> updated periodically.
>
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
Most Americans get plenty of calcium. The USA consumption of calcium is
higher than most other places in the world and we have more osteoporosis
than most of the world. While calcium is very important, it is less
likely that one is deficient.
As to blood work, when I take a LOT of calcium citrate, my blood work
shows no change. Perhaps I'm excreeting it somehow the excess is being
placed in bone.
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
If you lived in the tropics and didn't were hardly any cloths most of
the time, this would be true. In the USA, the majority of Americans are
vitamin D deficient, even people living in Miami with an outdoor
lifestyle. In the USA, cancer rates increase and one moves north. This
is true of cardiovascular disease and many others. Vitamin D
supplementation is almost necessary for everyone in the USA. The only
way to know your vitamin D status is to get some blood work done. I
take 7000 IU per day and my blood results are mid normal, 62 in a lab
reference range of 32-100.
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
The majority of Americans are magnesium deficient. Your mileage may
vary. Blood levels are not accurate for this - cellular levels are more
important.
Vitamin K I believe is critical in for good bone formation as well. If
you are low on K, calcium builds up in other parts of the body.
--
Pramesh Rutaji
p297tongue6221@newsguy,com - remove tongue to reply
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Apr 23, 9:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at > http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
I have absolutely nothing to do with http :// strontiumforbones,com /,nor
was I even aware of its existence. BoneLady at
http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /.
On Apr 23, 9:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at > http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
I have absolutely nothing to do with http :// strontiumforbones,com /,nor
was I even aware of its existence. BoneLady at
http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /.
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Apr 23, 9:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
My blog at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com is non-commercial and
is NOT associated with the commercial site, www .strontiumforbones,com .
My blog carries no ads and is strictly for info and the promotion of
non-prescription strontium.
On Apr 23, 9:34 pm, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail,com > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>
> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >updated periodically.
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
My blog at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com is non-commercial and
is NOT associated with the commercial site, www .strontiumforbones,com .
My blog carries no ads and is strictly for info and the promotion of
non-prescription strontium.
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> updated periodically.
>
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
your blood and not getting into your cells.
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>
>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> updated periodically.
>
>
> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> additional magnesium is required.
>
> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct email address for reply)
I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
your blood and not getting into your cells.
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
<d021317c@yahoo,com > wrote:
>Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>>> updated periodically.
>>
>>
>> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
>> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
>> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>>
>> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
>> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
>> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>>
>> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
>> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
>> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>>
>> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
>> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
>> additional magnesium is required.
>>
>> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
>> http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
>> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
>> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
>> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>>
>>
>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> (correct email address for reply)
>
> I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
>calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
>using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
>ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
>hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
>with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
>(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
>the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
>the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
>on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
>that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
>calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
>your blood and not getting into your cells.
Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
<d021317c@yahoo,com > wrote:
>Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>> <srsupporter@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>>> updated periodically.
>>
>>
>> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
>> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
>> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>>
>> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
>> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
>> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>>
>> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
>> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
>> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>>
>> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
>> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
>> additional magnesium is required.
>>
>> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
>> http :// strontiumforbones,com / which appears to be much the same
>> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
>> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
>> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>>
>>
>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> (correct email address for reply)
>
> I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
>calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
>using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
>ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
>hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
>with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
>(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
>the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
>the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
>on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
>that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
>calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
>your blood and not getting into your cells.
Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
<decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>
>
>
> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >>> updated periodically.
>
> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> >> additional magnesium is required.
>
> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> (correct email address for reply)
>
> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>
> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>
> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
cities
nearer the subtropics.
So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
one is at some risk.
The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
or inaccurate.
On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
<decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>
>
>
> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >>> updated periodically.
>
> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> >> additional magnesium is required.
>
> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> (correct email address for reply)
>
> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>
> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>
> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
cities
nearer the subtropics.
So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
one is at some risk.
The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
or inaccurate.
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972@gmail,com
|" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
><decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>>
>>
>>
>> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> >>> updated periodically.
>>
>> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
>> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
>> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>>
>> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
>> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
>> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>>
>> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
>> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
>> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>>
>> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
>> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
>> >> additional magnesium is required.
>>
>> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
>> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
>> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
>> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
>> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>>
>> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> >> (correct email address for reply)
>>
>> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
>> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
>> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
>> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
>> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
>> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
>> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>>
>> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
>> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
>> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
>> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
>> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
>> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
>> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>>
>> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
>> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
>> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
>> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
>> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
>> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>>
>> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
>> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
>> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
>> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>>
>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
>The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
>you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
>I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
>cities
>nearer the subtropics.
>So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
>one is at some risk.
>
>The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
>enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
>hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
>
>Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
>"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
>or inaccurate.
Good God Man! The fact that I'm sitting here typing on my computer is
evidence that I don't get enough sunlight? And I live on a sailboat in
Southern Thailand and I'm a nice toasty brown color from the sun? In
fact I now need to apply sun block to both ears because of sun damage
to my skin. How many hours a day do you believe it requires, in a
tropical area where temperatures are in the 100's during the middle of
the day, to generate sufficient Vit D?
Certainly the body can steal calcium from the bones. As I'm sure that
you know the bone calcium process is a continuous calcium in/calcium
out process.
I suppose I am at fault as I should have added the words "in my case"
to my comments about my calcium, etc. Mia Culpa.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972@gmail,com
|" <trigonometry1972@gmail,com > wrote:
>On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
><decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>>
>>
>>
>> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
>> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
>> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>>
>> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
>> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
>> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
>> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
>> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
>> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
>> >>> updated periodically.
>>
>> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
>> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
>> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>>
>> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
>> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
>> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>>
>> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
>> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
>> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>>
>> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
>> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
>> >> additional magnesium is required.
>>
>> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
>> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /which appears to be much the same
>> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
>> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
>> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>>
>> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> >> (correct email address for reply)
>>
>> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
>> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
>> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
>> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
>> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
>> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
>> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>>
>> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
>> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
>> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
>> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
>> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
>> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
>> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>>
>> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
>> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
>> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
>> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
>> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
>> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>>
>> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
>> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
>> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
>> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>>
>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
>> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
>The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
>you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
>I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
>cities
>nearer the subtropics.
>So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
>one is at some risk.
>
>The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
>enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
>hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
>
>Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
>"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
>or inaccurate.
Good God Man! The fact that I'm sitting here typing on my computer is
evidence that I don't get enough sunlight? And I live on a sailboat in
Southern Thailand and I'm a nice toasty brown color from the sun? In
fact I now need to apply sun block to both ears because of sun damage
to my skin. How many hours a day do you believe it requires, in a
tropical area where temperatures are in the 100's during the middle of
the day, to generate sufficient Vit D?
Certainly the body can steal calcium from the bones. As I'm sure that
you know the bone calcium process is a continuous calcium in/calcium
out process.
I suppose I am at fault as I should have added the words "in my case"
to my comments about my calcium, etc. Mia Culpa.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On May 5, 7:24 pm, Bruce in Bangkok
<decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...@gmail,com
>
>
>
> |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
> ><decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>
> >> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> >> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >> >>> updated periodically.
>
> >> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> >> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> >> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> >> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> >> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> >> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> >> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> >> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> >> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> >> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> >> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> >> >> additional magnesium is required.
>
> >> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> >> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /whichappears to be much the same
> >> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> >> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> >> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> >> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> >> (correct email address for reply)
>
> >> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
> >> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
> >> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
> >> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
> >> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
> >> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
> >> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> >> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
> >> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
> >> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
> >> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
> >> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
> >> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
> >> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>
> >> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
> >> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
> >> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
> >> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
> >> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
> >> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>
> >> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
> >> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
> >> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
> >> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>
> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
> >The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
> >you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
> >I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
> >cities
> >nearer the subtropics.
> >So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
> >one is at some risk.
>
> >The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
> >enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
> >hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
>
> >Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
> >"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
> >or inaccurate.
>
> Good God Man! The fact that I'm sitting here typing on my computer is
> evidence that I don't get enough sunlight? And I live on a sailboat in
> Southern Thailand and I'm a nice toasty brown color from the sun? In
> fact I now need to apply sun block to both ears because of sun damage
> to my skin. How many hours a day do you believe it requires, in a
> tropical area where temperatures are in the 100's during the middle of
> the day, to generate sufficient Vit D?
>
> Certainly the body can steal calcium from the bones. As I'm sure that
> you know the bone calcium process is a continuous calcium in/calcium
> out process.
>
> I suppose I am at fault as I should have added the words "in my case"
> to my comments about my calcium, etc. Mia Culpa.
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Well now the rest of us have reason to believe you are
replete in vitamin D. Unless you have some odd
genetic problem having to do with it. I am guilty as well,
my "assuming" is just a technique for getting people
to elaborate a bit more.
Whole range of things can result in the weakening
of bone. Anyway Sr ranelate looks like a reasonable
treatment. I certainly try to add a vitamin K2 supplement
to the mix. There are other issues such as excess
PTH levels due some glandular tumor, effects of
some meds such as the PPI meds or prednisone,
the lack of testosterone which results in too little
of estradiol in the bones. Some people have
poor absorption of nutrients due celiac disease or
some other like disease process.
Live well, be happy and skip a stone for the
rest of us....Trig
On May 5, 7:24 pm, Bruce in Bangkok
<decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...@gmail,com
>
>
>
> |" <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >On May 4, 2:36 am, Bruce in Bangkok
> ><decypher signat...@signature.line> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:43:03 -0400, Marshall Price
>
> >> <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> >> >Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:51:51 -0700 (PDT), BoneLady
> >> >> <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
>
> >> >>> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> >> >>> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> >> >>> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> >> >>> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> >> >>> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> >> >>> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> >> >>> updated periodically.
>
> >> >> As I am presently taking strontium ranelate under a doctor's
> >> >> supervision I note a number of differences in what is stated on the
> >> >> Blog spot and what my doctor discussed with me.
>
> >> >> Calcium - The blog specifically mentions taking 1200 MG of calcium
> >> >> daily. My doctor advises me that if serum calcium levels are in the
> >> >> high normal range then the body cannot process additional calcium.
>
> >> >> Vitamin D3 - The blog specifically mentions taking D3 daily. My doctor
> >> >> advises that providing D3 is being normally manufactured by the body
> >> >> there is no requirement for additional supplements
>
> >> >> Magnesium - The blog specifically mentions taking Magnesium daily. My
> >> >> doctor advises that is serum levels of magnesium are normal no
> >> >> additional magnesium is required.
>
> >> >> Finally the blog spot loads erratically so I tried
> >> >> http :// strontiumforbones,com /whichappears to be much the same
> >> >> information for strontium except that it appears to be an
> >> >> advertizement for the sale of strontium capsules by an organization
> >> >> named "Relentless Improvement", "Premium-Quality Nutriceuticals"
>
> >> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> >> (correct email address for reply)
>
> >> > I'm surprised your doctor is relying on serum levels for assessing
> >> >calcium and magnesium status. That's no good. Besides, his lab may be
> >> >using inexpensive equipment that doesn't give an accurate assessment of
> >> >ionic calcium; it's tricky. See the Merck Manual article about
> >> >hypercalcemia, the main cause of which is "excessive bone resorption
> >> >with respect to new bone formation and release of Ca into the ECF"
> >> >(extracellular fluid). -- /Merck Manual,/ 16th ed, p. 1009
>
> >> > And as for telling you that vitamin D is "normally manufactured by
> >> >the body," that's pretty good evidence he hasn't been keeping up with
> >> >the science. Only if your skin is oily and you get plenty of sunlight
> >> >on it (not a good idea, IMHO) are you likely to get enough vitamin D
> >> >that way. Otherwise, a lack of vitamin D may cause serum levels of
> >> >calcium (and magnesium?) to be high, because the calcium is remaining in
> >> >your blood and not getting into your cells.
>
> >> Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
> >> much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
> >> to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
> >> and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
> >> to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
> >> is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".
>
> >> I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
> >> comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
> >> the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
> >> then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.
>
> >> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
> >The very fact you are banging away on a keyboard suggests
> >you are or have been at risk for not getting enough vitamin D.
> >I've seen research showing this is even true in some of the southern
> >cities
> >nearer the subtropics.
> >So unless one is out in the noon day sun planting rice, I suggest
> >one is at some risk.
>
> >The body will maintain calcium serum levels in someone lacking
> >enough vitamin D and or dietary calcium by raising the parathyroid
> >hormone and raiding the bone for mineral.
>
> >Physicians are often behind the times plus sometimes the
> >"received" disease etiology is often somewhat incomplete
> >or inaccurate.
>
> Good God Man! The fact that I'm sitting here typing on my computer is
> evidence that I don't get enough sunlight? And I live on a sailboat in
> Southern Thailand and I'm a nice toasty brown color from the sun? In
> fact I now need to apply sun block to both ears because of sun damage
> to my skin. How many hours a day do you believe it requires, in a
> tropical area where temperatures are in the 100's during the middle of
> the day, to generate sufficient Vit D?
>
> Certainly the body can steal calcium from the bones. As I'm sure that
> you know the bone calcium process is a continuous calcium in/calcium
> out process.
>
> I suppose I am at fault as I should have added the words "in my case"
> to my comments about my calcium, etc. Mia Culpa.
>
> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Well now the rest of us have reason to believe you are
replete in vitamin D. Unless you have some odd
genetic problem having to do with it. I am guilty as well,
my "assuming" is just a technique for getting people
to elaborate a bit more.
Whole range of things can result in the weakening
of bone. Anyway Sr ranelate looks like a reasonable
treatment. I certainly try to add a vitamin K2 supplement
to the mix. There are other issues such as excess
PTH levels due some glandular tumor, effects of
some meds such as the PPI meds or prednisone,
the lack of testosterone which results in too little
of estradiol in the bones. Some people have
poor absorption of nutrients due celiac disease or
some other like disease process.
Live well, be happy and skip a stone for the
rest of us....Trig
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On Apr 23, 11:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> updated periodically.
But, Does it build REALLY strong bones? A guy I know - Ken Pangborn -
needs SOMETHING ...fucking fast. At over 500 lbs., his skeleton is
warping like a room full of peeling wallpaper.
In fact, I'm not certain that a treatment based on Strontium would be
adequate for his particular need ...something more like adamantium
might be more in order, here.
We should, perhaps, not rule out any of the radioactive elements,
either. If Dude gets any fatter, then there's a danger that a black
hole is soon to form at the same coordinates where his french fry
filled stomach hangs over his belt. A lot of Floridians are scared of
either that happening, or their state falling flat into the ocean,
before California goes.
....In which case, maybe we should let the bastard's bone break down.
It's a lose-lose if you ask most people...
- - -
The face of an angel.
The charm of the devil.
....and, the power of a god:
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http :// www .myspace,com /turin_turambar
http :// groups.google,com /group/Men_First/ $B!i(B
http :// turinturambar.fortunecity,com /blog/
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
On Apr 23, 11:51 am, BoneLady <srsuppor...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Are you interested in an alternative to prescription drugs for
> osteoporosis? Strontium builds stronger bones than drugs like Fosamax,
> Actonel, or Boniva but without the dangerous side effects. For more
> information about strontium for treating osteoporosis, please visit
> Strontium For Bones at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /. My
> blog offers visitors discussions, information, and links which will be
> updated periodically.
But, Does it build REALLY strong bones? A guy I know - Ken Pangborn -
needs SOMETHING ...fucking fast. At over 500 lbs., his skeleton is
warping like a room full of peeling wallpaper.
In fact, I'm not certain that a treatment based on Strontium would be
adequate for his particular need ...something more like adamantium
might be more in order, here.
We should, perhaps, not rule out any of the radioactive elements,
either. If Dude gets any fatter, then there's a danger that a black
hole is soon to form at the same coordinates where his french fry
filled stomach hangs over his belt. A lot of Floridians are scared of
either that happening, or their state falling flat into the ocean,
before California goes.
....In which case, maybe we should let the bastard's bone break down.
It's a lose-lose if you ask most people...
- - -
The face of an angel.
The charm of the devil.
....and, the power of a god:
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http :// www .myspace,com /turin_turambar
http :// groups.google,com /group/Men_First/ $B!i(B
http :// turinturambar.fortunecity,com /blog/
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
in patients with osteopenia.
Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
Austin Health, University of
Melbourne, Australia. egos@unimelb.edu.au
Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
shown depending on the site and fracture status at
baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
INTRODUCTION:
Women with osteoporosis are at high risk
for fracture. However, more than one half of all
fractures in the community originate from the larger
population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Data from the Spinal Osteoporosis Therapeutic Intervention
study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of Peripheral
OSteoporosis (TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
or placebo for 3 yr.
RESULTS:
No group differences were present
in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
(RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
with no prevalent fractures, and
by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
CONCLUSIONS:
Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
fracture.
PMID: 17997711
Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
in patients with osteopenia.
Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
Austin Health, University of
Melbourne, Australia. egos@unimelb.edu.au
Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
shown depending on the site and fracture status at
baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
INTRODUCTION:
Women with osteoporosis are at high risk
for fracture. However, more than one half of all
fractures in the community originate from the larger
population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Data from the Spinal Osteoporosis Therapeutic Intervention
study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of Peripheral
OSteoporosis (TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
or placebo for 3 yr.
RESULTS:
No group differences were present
in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
(RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
with no prevalent fractures, and
by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
CONCLUSIONS:
Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
fracture.
PMID: 17997711
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
in patients with osteopenia.
Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
Austin Health, University of
Melbourne, Australia. egos@unimelb.edu.au
Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
shown depending on the site and fracture status at
baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
INTRODUCTION:
Women with osteoporosis are at high risk
for fracture. However, more than one half of all
fractures in the community originate from the larger
population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Data from the Spinal Osteoporosis Therapeutic Intervention
study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of Peripheral
OSteoporosis (TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
or placebo for 3 yr.
RESULTS:
No group differences were present
in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
(RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
with no prevalent fractures, and
by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
CONCLUSIONS:
Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
fracture.
PMID: 17997711
Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
in patients with osteopenia.
Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
Austin Health, University of
Melbourne, Australia. egos@unimelb.edu.au
Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
shown depending on the site and fracture status at
baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
INTRODUCTION:
Women with osteoporosis are at high risk
for fracture. However, more than one half of all
fractures in the community originate from the larger
population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Data from the Spinal Osteoporosis Therapeutic Intervention
study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of Peripheral
OSteoporosis (TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
or placebo for 3 yr.
RESULTS:
No group differences were present
in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
(RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
with no prevalent fractures, and
by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
CONCLUSIONS:
Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
fracture.
PMID: 17997711
Re: Strontium For Osteoporosis
On May 1, 3:18 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
> in patients with osteopenia.
> Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
> Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
>
> Austin Health, University of
> Melbourne, Australia. e...@unimelb.edu.au
>
> Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
> risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
> studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
> Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
> shown depending on the site and fracture status at
> baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
> fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
>
> INTRODUCTION:
> Women withosteoporosisare at high risk
> for fracture. However, more than one half of all
> fractures in the community originate from the larger
> population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
> osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
> efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
> study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
> a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
> steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
>
> MATERIALS AND METHODS:
> Data from the SpinalOsteoporosisTherapeutic Intervention
> study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of PeripheralOSteoporosis(TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
> the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
> in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
> value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
> women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
> The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
> or placebo for 3 yr.
>
> RESULTS:
> No group differences were present
> in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
> outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
> treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
> (RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
> 59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
> with no prevalent fractures, and
> by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
> with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
> both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
> by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
>
> CONCLUSIONS:
> Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
> fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
> fracture.
>
> PMID: 17997711
Thank you for the informative article on strontium ranelate, a
prescription drug not available in the U.S.A. Strontium citrate is
available without a prescription. Since it is the strontium that is
incorporated into the bone matrix, any easily assimilable strontium
salt should work just as well in preventing bone fractures.Please
visit my non-commercial blog on strontium for osteoporosis and
osteopenia at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /
BoneLady
On May 1, 3:18 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> Strontium ranelate reduces the risk of vertebral fractures
> in patients with osteopenia.
> Seeman E, Devogelaer JP, Lorenc R, Spector T,
> Brixen K, Balogh A, Stucki G, Reginster JY.
>
> Austin Health, University of
> Melbourne, Australia. e...@unimelb.edu.au
>
> Many fractures occur in women with moderate fracture
> risk caused by osteopenia. Strontium ranelate was
> studied in 1431 postmenopausal women with osteopenia.
> Vertebral fracture risk reduction of 41-59% was
> shown depending on the site and fracture status at
> baseline. This is the first report of antivertebral
> fracture efficacy in women with vertebral osteopenia.
>
> INTRODUCTION:
> Women withosteoporosisare at high risk
> for fracture. However, more than one half of all
> fractures in the community originate from the larger
> population at more moderate risk of fracture caused by
> osteopenia. Despite this, evidence for antifracture
> efficacy in these persons is limited. The aim of this
> study was to determine whether strontium ranelate,
> a new drug that reduces fracture risk in women with o
> steoporosis, is also effective in women with osteopenia.
>
> MATERIALS AND METHODS:
> Data from the SpinalOsteoporosisTherapeutic Intervention
> study (SOTI; n = 1649) and the TReatment Of PeripheralOSteoporosis(TROPOS; n = 5091) were pooled to evaluate
> the antivertebral fracture efficacy of strontium ranelate
> in women with lumbar spine (LS) osteopenia with any BMD
> value at the femoral neck (FN; N = 1166) and in 265
> women with osteopenia at both sites (intention-to-treat analysis).
> The women were randomized to strontium ranelate 2 g/d orally
> or placebo for 3 yr.
>
> RESULTS:
> No group differences were present
> in baseline characteristics that may influence fracture
> outcome independent of therapy. In women with LS osteopenia,
> treatment reduced the risk of vertebral fracture by 41%
> (RR = 0.59; 95% CI, 0.43-0.82), by
> 59% (RR = 0.41; 95% CI, 0.17-0.99) in the 447 patients
> with no prevalent fractures, and
> by 38% (RR = 0.62; 95% CI, 0.44-0.88) in the 719 patients
> with prevalent fractures. In women with osteopenia at
> both sites, treatment reduced the risk of fracture
> by 52% (RR = 0.48; 95% CI, 0.24-0.96).
>
> CONCLUSIONS:
> Strontium ranelate safely reduces the risk of vertebral
> fractures in women with osteopenia with or without a prevalent
> fracture.
>
> PMID: 17997711
Thank you for the informative article on strontium ranelate, a
prescription drug not available in the U.S.A. Strontium citrate is
available without a prescription. Since it is the strontium that is
incorporated into the bone matrix, any easily assimilable strontium
salt should work just as well in preventing bone fractures.Please
visit my non-commercial blog on strontium for osteoporosis and
osteopenia at http :// strontiumforbones.blogspot,com /
BoneLady
