The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

On Apr 27, 4:26 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo,com > wrote:
> trigonometry1...@gmail,com | wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 10:46 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> >> On Apr 20, 3:31 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>
> >> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >>> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> >>>> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.c> wrote: You've clearly never drank new wine. It bubbles.
> >>> It is IN the act of fermentation. This generates the
> >>> CO2. After a hard hot day a sweet bubbling alcohol
> >>> containing drink is amazing. And would be even
> >>> more so to someone who had never had a carbonated drink.
> >>> If you ever make wine, a process that isn't so hard, no
> >>> worse than baking bread though much more lengthy,
> >>> just reach down into fermenation bucket past
> >>> the floating must and draw out the fermenting juice/new
> >>> wine and watch it bubble. Then drink enough to
> >>> get just a little giddy and than find a bit of cheese and
> >>> bread and have some more.
> >> I have been drinking wine for ca 60 years and making it for thirty.
>
> >> Current English usage is to use the term carbonated when the CO2 is
> >> dissolved under pressure. Hence the pop and foam when a champagne
> >> bottle is opened.
>
> >> Cormac.
>
> > The liquid has an excess of CO2 and
> > it bubbles as one drinks it. It is carbonated if one
> > actually looks at the product  (at the right stage) and
> > not the dictionary.
>
> > Making it for 30 years, I am impressed.
>
> > Anyway much of the "wine" I've made is
> > what is called 'country wine' which purists
> > tell me isn't properly wine. So again I and
> > the purists disagree. Anyway a good plum
> > wine can stand toe to toe with a grape wine
> > in my personal experience.
>
> > Raking and siphoning may explain some of my posting
> > thru the years :-) That reminds me, I haven't looked at
> > the winemaking forum in years. I'll have to do that soon.
>
>    What's raking?
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
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Sorry, I meant to write racking not raking.

I'll explain what it means to me.
Have you seen the huge office sized water
bottles that contain 3 to 7 gallons of water,
not the newer plastic ones but the older
made in Mexico ones made of glass, these
are used by home brewers and winemakers
as both late stage fermenters, and for sedimentation
and storage. I siphon between these containers
known as carboys to get rid of the sediment
and I siphon the end product into half gallon
brown beer bottle for storage until use 2 or 3 years
down the road. (The carboys are also used by
bottled water companies though I suppose they
use the plastic one now days and we home winemakers
and brewers use the glass ones.)
This whole process is what I
call racking. I even call the removal of
the fermenting wine from it must (fermenting grape skins,
bits of stem, dead earwigs, etc) in the bucket
to the carboys - racking.
I didn't check the definition again so it may have a somewhat
narrower meaning to others. I need to reread the
book again it seems. That reminds me, I need
the total acidity calculation method for wine...
....hmmm. Thanks.

Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

Cormac wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>> Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
>> first carbonated drink.
>
> Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
> normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
>
> It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
>
> Cormac.

True, but I'm sure forgotten foods far outnumber extant ones.

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Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>
>
>
> > Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> > first carbonated drink.
>
> Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
> normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
>
> It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
>
> Cormac.

You've never drank new wine!! It is part of the fun
of home winemaking. Man up, a glass of fermenting
bubbling new wine isn't going to hurt you. It shouldn't
ever give you the "runs." Sweep the must (the floating cap
of grape skins, stem parts, and earwigs) out of the
way and laddle out some new wine from the
fermentantion bucket.

Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 19, 11:23 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 2:03 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail,com |"
>> <trigonometry1...@gmail,com wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
>>> first carbonated drink.
>> Although CO2 is produced in fermentation, the term carbonation is
>> normally used for drinks with CO2 dissolved under pressure.
>>
>> It is unlikely that the ancient hunter gatherers had champagne.
>>
>> Cormac.
>
> You've never drank new wine!! It is part of the fun
> of home winemaking. Man up, a glass of fermenting
> bubbling new wine isn't going to hurt you. It shouldn't
> ever give you the "runs." Sweep the must (the floating cap
> of grape skins, stem parts, and earwigs) out of the
> way and laddle out some new wine from the
> fermentantion bucket.

Three days into the Bordeaux wine harvest, we started drinking new
wine. A couple of the workers got carried away and had to be fired. It
made everybody merry, and one of the old veterans had the whole crew in
stitches all afternoon with his jokes, which were over my head.

(Not understanding the language can have its advantages. I'm sorry I
missed out on the humor, but at least I could concentrate on keeping
upright while slogging through the mud.)

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Marshall Price of Miami
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Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

   Three days into the Bordeaux wine harvest, we started drinking new
> wine.  A couple of the workers got carried away and had to be fired.  It
> made everybody merry, and one of the old veterans had the whole crew in
> stitches all afternoon with his jokes, which were over my head.
-

"In vino veritas".

Cormac

Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

trigonometry1972@gmail,com | wrote:
> On Apr 18, 10:43 pm, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail,com > wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
>>
>>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>> Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
>> luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
>>
>> Cormac.
>
> Those with successful traditions survived better than
> those who didn't. Further to a point people are guided
> by inborn drives. People eating too many rabbits develop a strong
> drive for fat as I recall. When I skip fruit and only eat
> meat, greens, and few nuts, fruit starts to taste
> really really good.
>
> Or forefathers weren't stupid. They repeated what seemed
> to have worked getting them thru the winter.
> One can be pretty sure that as soon as their
> pottery was good enough fermented drink was
> a big deal and part of the definition of being
> "civilized"/drunk. They may even have been fermenting
> stuff in wine skins prior to that.
>
> Wine aged and raked is nice but new wine was mankind
> first carbonated drink.

Long before wine fermented in pots or skins, it fermented on the vine.

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Re: The Evolution Diet Has Evolved!

Cormac wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:58 pm, Joe <jsmors...@gmail,com > wrote
>> The general concept of the diet plan hasn’t changed (emulate the diet
>> of our hunter/gatherer ancestors), but the wealth of information in
>> the book has increased exponentially. We’ve even included an entire
>> section on living off the land. The Evolution Diet has truly evolved!
>>
>> I welcome you to learn more about the book and the diet.
>>
>> http :// www .evolution-diet,com
>
> Hunter gatherers ate what they could get. They did not have the
> luxuries of nutritional science, food and wine mountains.
>
> Cormac.


Science has always existed; it just changes. We don't know how well
our ancient ancestors lived; the evidence is too spotty. All we know
for sure is that they didn't all commit suicide at once.

On the other hand, they might have lived a lot better than we do. In
an uncrowded world, epidemics may have been rare, food may have been
abundant, clothing may have been more stylish as well as comfortable,
and the entertainment and wine may have been inconceivably better. It
may have been easy to get away from unpleasant circumstances, and
unclaimed paradises may have been just over the nearest mountain or an
island away. Who knows?

We stumble across evidence of dreadful catastrophes from time to
time, and evidence of great art and luxurious living, but the rest is
darkness.

Any survey of misery or happiness in long-lost eons can be nothing
more than idle speculation.


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Marshall Price of Miami
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