Atherosclerosis In COPD

Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Apr 25, 6:57=C2=A0am, "ironjust...@aol,com " <ironjust...@aol,com > wrote:
Increased breath with bloodletting.<<


<<snip>>
Post-phlebotomy the maximal oxygen consumption increased from 1.09 +/-
0.34
L/min to 1.26 +/- 0.43 L/min (p less than 0.05) and the maximum
workload
increased from 56.5 +/- 32.6 watts to 74.5 +/- 23.4 watts (p less
than
0.05).
<<snip>>


Chest 1990 Nov;98(5):1073-7 Related Articles, Links


Exercise performance of polycythemic chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease
patients. Effect of phlebotomies.


Chetty KG, Light RW, Stansbury DW, Milne N.


Department of Medicine, VA Medical Center, Long Beach, CA 90822.


The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of phlebotomy
on the
exercise tolerance and right and left ventricular ejection fraction
of
polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Ten
patients with COPD (mean FEV1 =3D 1.32 +/- 0.55 L) and polycythemia
(mean Hct
=3D 62 +/- 3 percent) were studied before and after their hematocrits
had been
reduced to approximately 50 percent. Post-phlebotomy the maximal
oxygen
consumption increased from 1.09 +/- 0.34 L/min to 1.26 +/- 0.43 L/min
(p
less than 0.05) and the maximum workload increased from 56.5 +/- 32.6
watts
to 74.5 +/- 23.4 watts (p less than 0.05). The increase in the
exercise
tolerance appeared to be primarily due to an increased cardiac output
at
Emax. There was no relationship between the increases in the upright
exercise capacity and changes in the supine ejection fractions of the
right
or left ventricular either at rest or during exercise.


PMID: 2225946 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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<<snip>>
Significant increase in exercise tolerance and maximal oxygen uptake
at peak
exercise, with significant reduction in mean systemic BP, were
demonstrated
<<snip>>


1: J Thorac Imaging 1990 Jul;5(3):68-72 Related Articles, Links


Exercise-induced changes in left ventricular function after phlebotomy
in
patients with polycythemic COPD.


Milne N, Light RW, Chetty KG.


Nuclear Medicine Service, Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Long
Beach,
California 90822.


The exercise capacity of polycythemic COPD patients has been shown to
improve after phlebotomy, possibly because of reduction of
ventricular
afterload by decreased blood viscosity, resulting in increased
cardiac
output. Ten patients with polycythemic COPD and mean hematocrit 62%
were
studied at rest and during exercise before and after reduction of
mean
hematocrit to 50% by repeated phlebotomy. Pulmonary function was
evaluated
by physiologic exercise testing on a bicycle ergometer. Cardiac
function was
evaluated by rest and exercise RNVG. Significant increase in exercise
tolerance and maximal oxygen uptake at peak exercise, with
significant
reduction in mean systemic BP, were demonstrated. Ejection fractions
did not
change, but dV/dt for ejection from the left ventricle at peak
exercise
improved significantly. Mean SV counts, ESV counts, and EDV counts
were
measured and the fractional increase with exercise compared for
prephlebotomy and postphlebotomy, assuming that resting volumes would
not
change. ESV counts and EDV counts were both proportionately, though
not
significantly, reduced postphlebotomy. The data tend to support the
hypothesis that the afterload on the left ventricle is reduced, with
resulting improved myocardial contractility and left ventricular
function.
Improved peripheral oxygen uptake may also be a factor.


PMID: 2362307 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


This is the medical professions .. alternative to phlebotomy .
Drugs ..
theophylline ..


Theophylline lowers the red blood cells .. it halts the production of
erythropoietin .. and THAT halts the production of red blood cells..
leaving
=2E. fewer red blood cells.


Voila .. glorified .. phlebotomy


1: Arch Intern Med 1997 Jul 14;157(13):1474-8 Related Articles, Links


Effect of theophylline on erythrocytosis in chronic obstructive
pulmonary
disease.


Oren R, Beeri M, Hubert A, Kramer MR, Matzner Y.


Department of Internal Medicine, Hadassah University Hospital, Mount
Scopas,
Israel.


BACKGROUND: Patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
tend
to develop secondary erythrocytosis to compensate for their chronic
hypoxia.
Theophylline has recently been shown to reduce hematocrit and
erythropoietin
blood levels in normal subjects and in patients with erythrocytosis
after
renal transplantation. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether theophylline
may be
used to lower the hematocrit in patients with COPD. METHODS: Two
hundred
four patients with COPD were studied retrospectively and 10 patients
prospectively (8 starting treatment with the drug [group 1] and 2 who
suspended its long-term use [group 2]) for the correlation between
theophylline therapy and hematocrit and erythropoietin level. RESULTS:
In
the patients studied retrospectively, lower hematocrits were found in
the
theophylline-treated than in the untreated patients (0.43 +/- 0.006 vs
0.46
+/- 0.007, respectively; P < .002). Twelve untreated patients and 2 of
those
treated with theophylline had hematocrits above 52%. Oxygen
saturation
levels were similar in both groups, and exclusion of patients with
oxygen
saturation lower than 88% did not change the pattern, suggesting that
the
effect of theophylline could not be entirely explained by improved
oxygen
availability. Seven of the 8 patients studied prospectively in group 1
(P <
=2E02) and the 2 patients in group 2 showed inverse correlations
between
hematocrits and theophylline administration. A similar pattern was
observed
with serum erythropoietin levels in 5 of 7 patients studied. The
effects
were reproducible on rechallenge in 3 of the 4 patients in group 1 and
the 2
patients in group 2. CONCLUSIONS: Theophylline may have a beneficial
effect
in treatment and prevention of erythrocytosis in patients with COPD.


PMID: 9224226 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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> They don't listen to logic. IE: Increased breath with bloodletting.
>
> Maybe they'll listen to Science.
>
> This would be the .. rationale ..
>
> Increased Arterial Stiffness Common in COPD Patients
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 23 - Chronic obstructive pulmonary
> disease (COPD) is associated with increased arterial stiffness and
> elevated blood pressure, which may explain the excess cardiovascular
> morbidity and mortality in this patient population, note researchers
> from the UK in the April issue of the journal Thorax.
>
> The reasons why patients with COPD are at high risk of having a heart
> attack or stroke compared to the general population "are not clear,"
> Dr. Joy J. Miller, from Borders General Hospital and the University of
> Edinburgh, noted in comments to Reuters Health.
>
> She and her colleagues measured blood pressure and blood vessel
> stiffness in 102 COPD patients and 103 carefully matched healthy
> persons with similar smoking histories and found that COPD patients
> had stiffer blood vessels and higher blood pressures than controls.
>
> "This suggests that COPD is not simply a disease of the lungs but
> involves other systems including the heart and vasculature," Dr.
> Miller said.
>
> Compared to healthy controls, COPD patients had elevated augmentation
> pressure (p =3D 0.005) and a reduced time to wave reflection (p =3D 0.004)=

> and these differences were associated with increases in both diastolic
> (p =3D 0.005) and systolic (p < 0.001) blood pressure.
>
> Moreover, serum C-reactive protein levels were threefold higher in
> COPD patients than in control patients.
>
> Dr. Miller noted that "two thirds of our COPD patients had high blood
> pressure, and the majority of them were not on any treatment for this.
> Our study highlights the need for careful assessment of cardiovascular
> risk in COPD patients."
>
> "The use of simple effective treatments to lower blood pressure has
> the potential to prevent excess heart attacks and strokes in COPD
> patients," she concluded.
>
> Thorax 2008;63:306-311.
> ---------------------------
>
> Blood donation, body iron status and carotid intima-media thickness
>
> Author(s): Engberink, M.F.; Geleijnse, J.M.; Durga, J.; Swinkels,
> D.W.; Kort, W.L.A.M. de; Schouten, E.G.; Verhoef, P.
> Source: Atherosclerosis 196 (2008)2. - ISSN 0021-9150 - p. 856 - 862.
> Department(s): Afdeling Humane voeding (Division of Human Nutrition)
> Research programme(s): Graduate School VLAG (2004 - 2010 )
> Subtheme: =E2=90=96D. Nutrition, metabolism and health
> Type of publication: Article in refereed journal
> Year of publication: 2008
> Abstract:
> Iron could promote free radical formation, which may lead to injury
> of
> the arterial wall and atherosclerosis.
> Blood donation may reduce cardiovascular risk by lowering body iron
> status.
> We collected data on blood donation history and intima-media
> thickness
> of the common carotid artery (CIMT) in 819 subjects (50-70 years),
> who
> were recruited from municipal and blood bank registries in The
> Netherlands.
> Serum iron parameters were assessed, including non-transferrin bound
> iron (NTBI) that has recently been found in conditions of iron
> overload.
> Serum ferritin was lower in current donors (n=3D443; 44mug/L) than in
> ex-
> donors (n=3D120; 114mug/L) and never-donors (n=3D256; 124mug/L, P for
> trend <0.001).
> For NTBI, values were 2.33, 2.54, and 2.51mumol/L, respectively
> (P<0.05). CIMT was slightly reduced in frequent donors (i.e., >/=3D49
> times during life or >/=3D2 times per year), although not statistically
> significant.
> CIMT was not significantly related to NTBI.
> Frequent blood donation, resulting in lowered body iron, might give
> some protection against accelerated atherosclerosis.
>
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Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Apr 26, 12:33 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:all
that iron found in the lungs of those with COPD <<

The below means the rust / oxidation which appears in the lung seems
to
directly reflect this 'pool' of free iron which can be bound up by
the
chelator desferrioxamine .

<<snip>>
Thus, lipid peroxidation appears to be increased in patients with IPF
and is
associated with an increase in desferrioxamine-chelatable iron levels
<<snip>>


1: Am J Respir Crit Care Med 1996 Jun;153(6 Pt 1):1918-23 Related
Articles,
Links


Comment in:
Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 1997 Feb;155(2):769.


Serum indicators of free radical activity in idiopathic pulmonary
fibrosis.


Jack CI, Jackson MJ, Johnston ID, Hind CR.


The University Department of Medicine, University of Liverpool,
United
Kingdom.


Serum levels of free radical activity were measured in 37 patients
with
idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF) and 16 control subjects. Three
assays
used were (1) simultaneously measured levels of the 9,11-diene
conjugate of
linoleic acid and 9,12-linoleic acid expressed as a percent molar
ratio
(%MR), a measure of free-radical-mediated lipid peroxidation; (2)
thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS), one of which is
malondialdehyde; (3) desferrioxamine-chelatable iron assay, a measure
of the
potential iron available to catalyze free radical generation. Mean
%MR,
TBARS and desferrioxamine-chelatable iron were all elevated initially
in
patients with IPF compared with control subjects (%MR, p < 0.0001;
TBARS, p
= 0.0013; desferrioxamine-chelatable iron, p = 0.0029). Furthermore,
the
serum %MR was higher in a subset of patients with clinically worsening
IPF
than in those patients with clinically stable disease (p = 0.002).
Treatment
did not appear to affect the three different serum indicators of free
radical activity. Thus, lipid peroxidation appears to be increased in
patients with IPF and is associated with an increase in
desferrioxamine-chelatable iron levels. Serum % MR levels appeared to
correlate with clinical disease activity, and they may have a role in
monitoring disease activity.


PMID: 8665056 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Apr 27, 6:45 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote: lipid
peroxidation <<

They recommend the PUFAs for those with hypoxia .. and coincidentally
when one goes to altitude .. phosphates increase the ability to ..
breathe.
Pufas contain phosphates.

"Provision of n-3 PUFAs and antioxidants"

Hypoxia-related lipid peroxidation: Evidences, implications and
approaches
Respiratory Physiology & Neurobiology, Volume 158, Issues 2-3, 30
September 2007, Pages 143-150
Claus Behn, Oscar F. Araneda, An=A8=AAbal J. Llanos, Gloria Celed=A8=AEn,
Gustavo Gonz=A8=A2lez

Preview Purchase PDF (378 K) | Related ArticlesAbstractAbstract |
Figures/TablesFigures/Tables | ReferencesReferencesAbstract
Hypoxia may be intensified by concurrent oxidative stress.
Lack of oxygen in relation to aerobic ATP requirements, as hypoxia has
been defined, goes along with an increased generation of reactive
oxygen species (ROS).
Polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) range among the molecules most
susceptible to ROS.
Oxidative breakdown of n-3 PUFAs may compromise not only membrane
lipid matrix dynamics, and hence structure and function of membrane-
associated proteins like enzymes, receptors, and transporters, but
also gene expression. Eicosapentaenoic acid depletion, products of
lipid peroxidation (LP), as well as, lack of oxygen may combine in
exacerbating activity of nuclear factor kappa B (NF=A6=CAB), an ubiquitous
pro-inflammatory and anti-apoptotic transcription factor. Field
studies at high altitude show malondialdehyde (MDA) content in exhaled
breath condensate (EBC) of mountaineers to correlate with Lake Louis
score of acute mountain sickness.
A pathogenic role of LP in hypoxia can therefore be expected.
By control of LP, some species seem to cope more efficiently than
others with naturally occurring hypoxia.
Limitation of potential pro-inflammatory effects of hypoxia-related LP
by an adequate provision of n-3 PUFAs and antioxidants may contribute
to increase survival under conditions where oxygen is lacking in
relation to aerobic ATP requirements.
A need for antioxidant intervention, however, should be weighed
against the ROS requirement for triggering adaptive processes in
response to an increased demand of oxygen.
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"Phosphate supplementation"


Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
Journal International Journal of Biometeorology
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0020-7128 (Print) 1432-1254 (Online)
Issue Volume 31, Number 3 / September, 1987
DOI 10.1007/BF02188928
Pages 249-257
Subject Collection Biomedical and Life Sciences
SpringerLink Date Friday, September 30, 2005


Effect of phosphate supplementation on oxygen delivery at high
altitude
S. C. Jain1, M. V. Singh1, S. B. Rawal1, V. M. Sharma1, H. M.
Divekar1, A. K. Tyagi1, M. R. Panwar1 and Y. V. Swamy2


(1) Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences, 110010
Delhi
Cantt, India
(2) Naval Science and Technological Lab., 530006 Vishakapatnam,
India


Received: 31 July 1985


Abstract
In the present communication, effect of low doses of phosphate
supplementation on short-term high altitude adaptation has been
examined.
Studies were carried out in 36 healthy, male, sea-level residents
divided in a double blind fashion into drug and placebo treated
groups. 3.2 mmol of phosphate were given orally to each subject of
the
drug treated group once a day for 4 days on arrival at an altitude of
3,500 m.
Sequential studies were done in the subjects in both groups on the
3rd, 7th, 14th and 21st day of their altitude stay.
Haemoglobin, haematocrit, erythrocyte and reticulocyte counts
increased to the similar extent in both groups.
Blood pH, pO2 and adenosine tri-phosphate (ATP) did not differ
between
the two groups.
On 3rd day of the altitude stay, inorganic phosphate and 2,3-
diphosphoglycerate (2,3 DPG) levels in the drug treated group
increased significantly as compared to the placebo group.
No significant difference in inorganic phosphate and 2,3 DPG was
observed later on in the two groups.
Psychological and clinical tests also indicated that the drug treated
subjects felt better as compared to the placebo treated subjects.
The present study suggests that low doses of phosphate increases
circulating 2,3-DPG concentration which in turn brings about
beneficial effect towards short term high altitude adaptation.


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> On Apr 26, 12:33 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail,com > wrote:all
> that iron found in the lungs of those with COPD <<
>
> The below means the rust / oxidation which appears in the lung seems
> to
> directly reflect this 'pool' of free iron which can be bound up by
> the
> chelator desferrioxamine .
>
> <<snip>>
> Thus, lipid peroxidation appears to be increased in patients with IPF
> and is
> associated with an increase in desferrioxamine-chelatable iron levels
> <<snip>>
>
> 1: Am J Respir Crit Care Med 1996 Jun;153(6 Pt 1):1918-23 Related
> Articles,
> Links
>
> Comment in:
> Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 1997 Feb;155(2):769.
>
> Serum indicators of free radical activity in idiopathic pulmonary
> fibrosis.
>
> Jack CI, Jackson MJ, Johnston ID, Hind CR.
>
> The University Department of Medicine, University of Liverpool,
> United
> Kingdom.
>
> Serum levels of free radical activity were measured in 37 patients
> with
> idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF) and 16 control subjects. Three
> assays
> used were (1) simultaneously measured levels of the 9,11-diene
> conjugate of
> linoleic acid and 9,12-linoleic acid expressed as a percent molar
> ratio
> (%MR), a measure of free-radical-mediated lipid peroxidation; (2)
> thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS), one of which is
> malondialdehyde; (3) desferrioxamine-chelatable iron assay, a measure
> of the
> potential iron available to catalyze free radical generation. Mean
> %MR,
> TBARS and desferrioxamine-chelatable iron were all elevated initially
> in
> patients with IPF compared with control subjects (%MR, p < 0.0001;
> TBARS, p
> =3D 0.0013; desferrioxamine-chelatable iron, p =3D 0.0029). Furthermore,
> the
> serum %MR was higher in a subset of patients with clinically worsening
> IPF
> than in those patients with clinically stable disease (p =3D 0.002).
> Treatment
> did not appear to affect the three different serum indicators of free
> radical activity. Thus, lipid peroxidation appears to be increased in
> patients with IPF and is associated with an increase in
> desferrioxamine-chelatable iron levels. Serum % MR levels appeared to
> correlate with clinical disease activity, and they may have a role in
> monitoring disease activity.
>
> PMID: 8665056 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
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Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do you
recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child bearing age?

Yes, the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores


> So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do you
> recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child bearing age?
>

Simple Google search gives: Caps mine for emphasis

"In contrast, iron overload reduces but does not eliminate absorption,
REAFFIRMING THE FACT THAT ABSORPTION IS REGULATED BY BODY IRON STORES."

From: http :// sickle.bwh.harvard.edu/iron_absorption.html

Yes, the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores


> So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do you
> recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child bearing age?
>

Simple Google search gives: Caps mine for emphasis

"In contrast, iron overload reduces but does not eliminate absorption,
REAFFIRMING THE FACT THAT ABSORPTION IS REGULATED BY BODY IRON STORES."

From: http :// sickle.bwh.harvard.edu/iron_absorption.html

Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, Phobos <pho...@gmail,com > wrote:
So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do
you
recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child
bearing age? <<

Now one might wonder why YOU would think this persons question is ..
worth .. answering .. when .. **I** decided they are both questions
which are NOT .. copd .. or .. atherosclerosis .. related ..

Lets see the questions are .. is iron controlled .. ? .. this question
is the very BASIS of the iron thesis and is the OLDEST of the
questions ..

Sooo .. either the question was never even .. slightly ..
researched .. IE: laziness or .. ?

And the second question .. routine giving of blood .. is the second
oldest part of the thesis .. the treatment FOR iron excess .. and / or
preventative ..

Sooo .. both questions are very old in the hypothesis and can be
answered with a very cursury bit of research .. which it seems ..
**neither** of you were / are .. willing to .. do ..

Hopefully someone will answer those questions for you .. sometime ..
somewhere ..

I doubt it though .. not too many people read my posts .. except it
seems .. those lazy little btches we have come to know and .. love ..


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Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:46:38 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<c703a2eb-da70-473e-8b1a-ab32e066c926@p25g2000pri.googlegroups,com >):

> On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, Phobos <pho...@gmail,com > wrote:
> So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do
> you
> recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child
> bearing age? <<
>
> Now one might wonder why YOU would think this persons question is ..
> worth .. answering .. when .. **I** decided they are both questions
> which are NOT .. copd .. or .. atherosclerosis .. related ..
>
> Lets see the questions are .. is iron controlled .. ? .. this question
> is the very BASIS of the iron thesis and is the OLDEST of the
> questions ..
>
> Sooo .. either the question was never even .. slightly ..
> researched .. IE: laziness or .. ?
>
> And the second question .. routine giving of blood .. is the second
> oldest part of the thesis .. the treatment FOR iron excess .. and / or
> preventative ..
>
> Sooo .. both questions are very old in the hypothesis and can be
> answered with a very cursury bit of research .. which it seems ..
> **neither** of you were / are .. willing to .. do ..
>
> Hopefully someone will answer those questions for you .. sometime ..
> somewhere ..
>
> I doubt it though .. not too many people read my posts .. except it
> seems .. those lazy little btches we have come to know and .. love ..
>

I would imagine the mentality behind your above comments is why few read your
comments and take you seriously.

Re: Atherosclerosis In COPD

On Apr 27, 1:20 pm, Phobos <pho...@gmail,com > wrote: I would imagine
the mentality behind your above comments is why few read your
comments and take you seriously <<

I suppose you are in noway related to j666 or are you his ..
reference .. ?

You seem to use the same general newsgroups ..

One might think you are .. aquainted ..


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> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:46:38 -0500, ironjustice wrote
> (in message
> <c703a2eb-da70-473e-8b1a-ab32e066c...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups,com >):
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 12:17 pm, Phobos <pho...@gmail,com > wrote:
> >  So is the amount of iron absorbed related to the iron stores and do
> > you
> >  recommend the routine giving of blood except in women of child
> > bearing age? <<
>
> > Now one might wonder why YOU would think this persons question is ..
> > worth .. answering .. when .. **I** decided they are both questions
> > which are NOT .. copd .. or .. atherosclerosis .. related ..
>
> > Lets see the questions are .. is iron controlled .. ? .. this question
> > is the very BASIS of the iron thesis and is the OLDEST of the
> > questions ..
>
> > Sooo .. either the question was never even .. slightly ..
> > researched .. IE: laziness or .. ?
>
> > And the second question .. routine giving of blood .. is the second
> > oldest part of the thesis .. the treatment FOR iron excess .. and / or
> > preventative ..
>
> > Sooo .. both questions are very old in the hypothesis and can be
> > answered with a very cursury bit of research .. which it seems ..
> > **neither** of you were / are .. willing to .. do ..
>
> > Hopefully someone will answer those questions for you .. sometime ..
> > somewhere ..
>
> > I doubt it though .. not too many people read my posts .. except it
> > seems .. those lazy little btches we have come to know and .. love ..
>
> I would imagine the mentality behind your above comments is why few read your
> comments and take you seriously.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

FEces posts

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:46:14 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<59a3e21a-0a2b-462d-925b-f11357f20eb6@u36g2000prf.googlegroups,com >):

> On Apr 27, 1:20 pm, Phobos <pho...@gmail,com > wrote: I would imagine
> the mentality behind your above comments is why few read your
> comments and take you seriously <<
>
> I suppose you are in noway related to j666 or are you his ..
> reference .. ?
>
> You seem to use the same general newsgroups ..
>
> One might think you are .. aquainted ..

Duh - when one responds to posts on SMC, the responses go all the groups
listed unless one deletes or adds, so therefore many posts go to the same set
groups.

It could also be that few bother to respond, or even read, your usual and
customary FEces posts and so the few that do, stick out.

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:12:36 -0500, ironjustice wrote
(in message
<9df85e43-9bc9-4229-9921-e75a91408fb2@j33g2000pri.googlegroups,com >):

> The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in
> patients
> with COPD.

Iron furniture rusts if left out in the rain.

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