Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 4:53 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags . com > wrote:
> schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> >In misc.health.alternative CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> >: Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> >: are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> >: certain types of epidemics.
>
> >Which epidemics would those be?
>
> I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Frontières has a contingent of homeopaths
> sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>

Great idea but the scum regime running that country appears poised to
control every scrap of aid that comes in. Knowing them from past
repressions, the pathetic
bastards will probably try to sell it elsewhere and let their own
people die.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags . com > wrote:

: I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
: sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
: visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
: almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.

Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 10:16 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags . com > wrote:=

>
> : I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
> : sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> : visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> : almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
> when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz                             =
 schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .

It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
for the current military government. Some Burmese
opposition groups also reject the name change.
Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
changed as I recall.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 12, 4:43 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail . com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail . com > wrote:
> On May 11, 10:16 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags . com > wrote:
>
> > : I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
> > : sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
> > : visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
> > : almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
> > Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
> > when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
>
> > -----
> > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il
> > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> > -----
> > The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .
>
> It is a way for the BBC and it government to is register its dislike
> for the current military government. Some Burmese
> opposition groups also reject the name change.
> Anyway it was only the English transliteration they
> changed as I recall.

Kudos to the BBC. The exploitative wretches who need to shoot unarmed
Buddhist monks and starve the population in order to stay in power,
need to be exposed for the anti-human monsters that they are.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

schultr@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

>In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags . com > wrote:
>
>: I wonder if Homeopaths Sans Fronti?res has a contingent of homeopaths
>: sitting in Bangkok with other aid agencies like Oxfam, waiting for
>: visas to enter Burma. Surely they would be wanting to help after the
>: almost inevitable outbreak of cholera.
>
>Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
>when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?

I don't know, but all the Australian media seem to have reverted to
"Burma" as well.

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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags . com > wrote:

:>Maybe you can explain this -- why does the BBC insist on calling it Burma
:>when the name of the country was officially changed to Myanmar?
:
: I don't know, but all the Australian media seem to have reverted to
: "Burma" as well.

I found a page on the BBC web site in which they explained that their
continued use of "Burma" is to express their disapproval of the regime.
It's kind of like their decision not to call anyone a "terrorist" unless
he belongs to the IRA.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 2:10 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> : certain types of epidemics.
>
> Which epidemics would those be?
>

Well, just for starters, how about influenza?

National Center for Complementary and
Alternative Medicine government National
Institute of Health website
at:
* nccam.nih.gov/health/homeopathy/#a1

You are directed to click on Appendix
1 link and read of the various tests
some positive, some negative regarding
Homeopathy. Here you will see for
example THIS:

"The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."

I don't know what universe YOU are living in,
but in mine, "safe and effective in reducing the duration of
influenza" sure means something good.

Maybe not in yours, one can never tell about that
many worlds stuff. Who knows, maybe in your universe
people enjoy dying from influenza.

Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail . com > wrote:

:> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
:> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
:> : certain types of epidemics.
:>
:> Which epidemics would those be?

: "The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
: reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."

I see no reference in the sentence that you quote either to survival rates
(i.e. reducing the number of deaths), nor do I see any reference to its
use during any kind of epidemic.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Richard Schultz wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> :> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> :> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> :> : certain types of epidemics.
> :>
> :> Which epidemics would those be?
>
> : "The homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum appears safe and effective in
> : reducing the duration of influenza, but has no effect on prevention."
>
> I see no reference in the sentence that you quote either to survival rates
> (i.e. reducing the number of deaths), nor do I see any reference to its
> use during any kind of epidemic.
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
> but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

Professor--

Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?

Steve

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

In misc.health.alternative Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinmung@earthlink . net > wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:

:> "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
:> but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."

: Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?

* us.imdb . com /title/tt0023969/

-----
Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I've lost my harmonica, Albert."

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

Richard Schultz wrote:
>
> : Who's the quote about Ciccolini from?
>
> * us.imdb . com /title/tt0023969/
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "I've lost my harmonica, Albert."


I knew it sounded familiar--thanks!

Steve

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718-258-5001

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 2:10 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In misc.health.alternative Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail . com > wrote:
>
> : Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> : are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> : certain types of epidemics.
>
> Which epidemics would those be?

Droughts.

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 11, 8:55 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail . com > wrote:
Nobody should die. <<

They will begin dying in hoards as soon as Unicef and WHO start to
distribute the pathogen feeding **iron fortified** food.

"Importance of iron in the growth and survival of V. cholerae"

Biometals. 2007 Jan 10;
Iron acquisition in Vibrio cholerae.
Wyckoff EE, Mey AR, Payne SM.
Section of Molecular Genetics and Microbiology, University of Texas
at
Austin, 1 University Station A5000, Austin, TX, 78712, USA,
ewyck...@mail.utexas.edu.

Vibrio cholerae, the causative agent of cholera, has an absolute
requirement for iron and must obtain this element in the human host
as
well as in its varied environmental niches. It has multiple systems
for
iron acquisition, including the TonB-dependent transport of heme, the
endogenous siderophore vibriobactin and several siderophores that are
produced by other microorganisms. There is also a Feo system for the
transport of ferrous iron and an ABC transporter, Fbp, which
transports
ferric iron. There appears to be at least one additional high
affinity
iron transport system that has not yet been identified. In iron
replete
conditions, iron acquisition genes are repressed by Fur. Fur also
represses the synthesis of a small, regulatory RNA, RyhB, which
negatively regulates genes for iron-containing proteins involved in
the
tricarboxylic acid cycle and respiration as well as genes for
motility
and chemotaxis. The redundancy in iron transport systems has made it
more difficult to determine the role of individual systems in vivo
and
in vitro, but it may reflect the overall importance of iron in the
growth and survival of V. cholerae.


PMID: 17216354
-------------------------
" Iron deficiency associated with protection from mild clinical
malaria"

J Infect Dis. 2004 Aug 1;190(3):439-447. Epub 2004 Jul 02. Related
Articles,
Links


Iron Deficiency and Malaria among Children Living on the Coast of
Kenya.


Nyakeriga AM, Troye-Blomberg M, Dorfman JR, Alexander ND, Back R,
Kortok M,
Chemtai AK, Marsh K, Williams TN.


Kenya Medical Research Institute/Wellcome Trust Programme, Centre for
Geographic Medicine Research, Coast, Kilifi District Hospital, Kilifi,
and
Faculty of Health Sciences, Moi University, Eldoret, Kenya; Department
of
Immunology, Wenner-Gren Institute, Stockholm University, Stockholm,
Sweden.
nyaker...@imun.su.se.


Both iron deficiency and malaria are common in much of sub-Saharan
Africa, and
the interaction between these conditions is complex. To investigate
the
association between nutritional iron status, immunoglobulins, and
clinical
Plasmodium falciparum malaria, we determined the incidence of malaria
in a
cohort of children between the ages of 8 months and 8 years who were
living on
the Kenyan coast. Biochemical iron status and malaria-specific immune
responses
were determined during 2 cross-sectional surveys. We found that the
incidence
of clinical malaria was significantly lower among iron-deficient
children
(incidence-rate ratio [IRR], 0.70; 95% confidence interval [CI],
0.51-0.99;
P<.05), that the incidence of malaria was significantly associated
with plasma
ferritin concentration (IRR for log ferritin concentration, 1.48; 95%
CI,
1.01-2.17; P<.05), and that iron status was strongly associated with a
range of
malaria-specific immunoglobulins. We conclude that iron deficiency
was
associated with protection from mild clinical malaria in our cohort of
children
in coastal Kenya and discuss possible mechanisms for this protection.


PMID: 15243915 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


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> On May 8, 1:07 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail . com > wrote:
>
> Nobody should die.
>
> Homeopathy mediated treatment survival rates
> are much HIGHER than standard medicine in
> certain types of epidemics.
>
> Citizen Jimserac

Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 8, 10:07 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail . com > wrote:Anyone
with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose lactoferrin is
filled right .. up. <<

"Chickens not given iron-dextran showed no clinical signs of disease."

The effect of parenteral iron dextran, with or without
desferrioxamine, on the development of experimental pseudotuberculosis
in the domestic chicken.
Cork SC, Marshall RB, Fenwick SG

Avian Pathol 1998 Aug; 27(4):394-9.

The development of disease following oral challenge with Yersinia
pseudotuberculosis (serotype II) was compared in four groups of five
chickens treated with a combination of 10 mg parenteral iron-dextran,
10 mg of the chelating agent desferrioxamine or 10 mg of dextran, 2
days before infection.
The chickens pretreated with iron-dextran, with or without
desferrioxamine, developed diarrhoea and were lethargic 2 days
following bacterial challenge.
Chickens not given iron-dextran showed no clinical signs of disease.
Histological examination of selected tissues indicated that chickens
pre-treated with iron-dextran had significantly more intestinal
lesions, but fewer lesions in the spleen, than chickens in groups not
treated with iron-dextran.
In contrast to control chickens given iron dextran, but not challenged
with bacteria, there was no stainable iron in the livers of chickens
challenged with Y. pseudotuberculosis 10 days after an injection of 10
mg of iron-dextran.
This suggests that chickens challenged with Y. pseudotuberculosis
utilised exogenously administered iron during infection.


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> Evidence of denial.
> These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
> They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
> going to BE dying .. "first" ..
>
> Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
> lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
>
> I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
> or green .. alerts .. ?
> -----------------------------------
> WhoshouldMDs letdiein apandemic?
> Provided by: Associated Press
> Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> May. 5, 2008
>
> CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
> it in a flupandemicor other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
> be deciding who to letdie.
>
> Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
> list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
> include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
> burned patients and those with severe dementia.
>
> The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
> from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
> government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
> the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
> Health and Human Services.
>
> The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
> "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" whenpandemicflu
> or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
> Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
> writer of the task force report.
>
> The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
> ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
> objective way, task force members said.
>
> Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
> edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
> Physicians.
>
> "If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
> people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
> care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
> owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
>
> To prepare, hospitalsshoulddesignate a triage team with the Godlike
> task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
> force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
> and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
> much more specific, and include:
>
> -People older than 85.
>
> -Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
> car crashes and shootings.
>
> -Severely burned patients older than 60.
>
> -Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
> Alzheimer's disease.
>
> -Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
> lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
>
> Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
> operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
> on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
> reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
>
> Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
> called the report an important initiative but also "a political
> minefield and a legal minefield."
>
> The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
> discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
> on the task force.
>
> If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
> most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
> disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
> necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
> here."
>
> James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
> Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
> shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
> suggestions.
>
> He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
> health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
>
> Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
> recommended for a catastrophicpandemic, but that "this is the most
> detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
>
> While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
> could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
> said.
>
> Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
> everyone."
>
> That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
> before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
>
> "You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
> surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
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>
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>
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Re: Who Should Die In Pandemic?

On May 18, 8:05 pm, "ironjust...@aol . com " <ironjust...@aol . com >
wrote:compared in four groups of five chickens treated with a
combination of 10 mg parenteral iron-dextran, 10 mg of the chelating
agent desferrioxamine or 10 mg of dextran, 2
days before infection. <<

What would this compare to in a human .. ?

What does a human take a day .. ?

Would this dose simply manage to saturate the lactoferrin in the
chicken and the dose specifically has no 'additional' adverse
effects / colonization ?

How much would it take to show the same disadvantage in man.

Then blood testing of all front line workers as to their
susceptibility TO being "part of the cause" as opposed to "part of the
solution" ..?

Big meat eater .. are .. ya .. ?


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> On May 8, 10:07 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail . com > wrote:Anyone
> with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose lactoferrin is
> filled right .. up. <<
>
> "Chickens not given iron-dextran showed no clinical signs of disease."
>
> The effect of parenteral iron dextran, with or without
> desferrioxamine, on the development of experimental pseudotuberculosis
> in the domestic chicken.
> Cork SC, Marshall RB, Fenwick SG
>
> Avian Pathol 1998 Aug; 27(4):394-9.
>
> The development of disease following oral challenge with Yersinia
> pseudotuberculosis (serotype II) was compared in four groups of five
> chickens treated with a combination of 10 mg parenteral iron-dextran,
> 10 mg of the chelating agent desferrioxamine or 10 mg of dextran, 2
> days before infection.
> The chickens pretreated with iron-dextran, with or without
> desferrioxamine, developed diarrhoea and were lethargic 2 days
> following bacterial challenge.
> Chickens not given iron-dextran showed no clinical signs of disease.
> Histological examination of selected tissues indicated that chickens
> pre-treated with iron-dextran had significantly more intestinal
> lesions, but fewer lesions in the spleen, than chickens in groups not
> treated with iron-dextran.
> In contrast to control chickens given iron dextran, but not challenged
> with bacteria, there was no stainable iron in the livers of chickens
> challenged with Y. pseudotuberculosis 10 days after an injection of 10
> mg of iron-dextran.
> This suggests that chickens challenged with Y. pseudotuberculosis
> utilised exogenously administered iron during infection.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian! * tinyurl . com /2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore! * tinyurl . com /a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING * tinyurl . com /zk9fk
>
>
>
> > Evidence of denial.
> > These guys really think they are immune to this stuff.
> > They better be watching their own asses before they think about who IS
> > going to BE dying .. "first" ..
>
> > Anyone with contact .. with .. those infected people .. whose
> > lactoferrin is filled right .. up.
>
> > I wonder if organ harvesting will continue through .. red .. yellow ..
> > or green .. alerts .. ?
> > -----------------------------------
> > WhoshouldMDs letdiein apandemic?
> > Provided by: Associated Press
> > Written by: Lindsey Tanner, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> > May. 5, 2008
>
> > CHICAGO - Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get
> > it in a flupandemicor other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will
> > be deciding who to letdie.
>
> > Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific
> > list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They
> > include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely
> > burned patients and those with severe dementia.
>
> > The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come
> > from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and
> > government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security,
> > the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of
> > Health and Human Services.
>
> > The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals
> > "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" whenpandemicflu
> > or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha
> > Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead
> > writer of the task force report.
>
> > The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including
> > ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform,
> > objective way, task force members said.
>
> > Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May
> > edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest
> > Physicians.
>
> > "If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many
> > people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health
> > care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions
> > owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.
>
> > To prepare, hospitalsshoulddesignate a triage team with the Godlike
> > task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task
> > force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death
> > and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get
> > much more specific, and include:
>
> > -People older than 85.
>
> > -Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from
> > car crashes and shootings.
>
> > -Severely burned patients older than 60.
>
> > -Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced
> > Alzheimer's disease.
>
> > -Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure,
> > lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
>
> > Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency
> > operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was
> > on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency
> > reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
>
> > Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University
> > called the report an important initiative but also "a political
> > minefield and a legal minefield."
>
> > The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age
> > discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not
> > on the task force.
>
> > If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest,
> > most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic
> > disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be
> > necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns
> > here."
>
> > James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital
> > Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in
> > shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the
> > suggestions.
>
> > He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited
> > health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive.
>
> > Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been
> > recommended for a catastrophicpandemic, but that "this is the most
> > detailed one I have seen from a professional group."
>
> > While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report
> > could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley
> > said.
>
> > Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for
> > everyone."
>
> > That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time
> > before such a health care disaster hits, she said.
>
> > "You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by
> > surprise. We didn't even know it existed."
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
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